Tree of "Good and Evil". What is it really?

[ember]

Of course I have superior knowledge compared to you. Those of us called to bring growth to the Church are directed by the Holy Spirit of God. My office far exceeds anything you could vainly imagine. On your day of judgement you will be filled with dread because of all the vain words you have spoken against God and His anointed.

I don't know what the name of the spirit is speaking through you, but it is full of hot air

 

[ember]

Come on guys...don't you know what you are dealing with here?

stop entertaining it

 

[psalm6819]

Yes! They were not ready for its knowledge, and that's why it was detrimental for them to learn. If it was meant for them to never learn that knowledge, then that Tree would not be in the garden. So it was placed there by God for their benefit at the right time.

Then why did God forbid it? Should He not have said "Do not eat of it yet?"

 

[RussellJBenigno]

Many people don't understand how a prophet see's and understands the message they are given. I can speak on the subject as one who is part of the 5 fold ministry to the church. What is it that prophets see and hear? Prophets don't see in one dimension. They see in multiple dimensions of time, spirit and the physical. The prophet Ezechiel is speaking in the present and past in the same breath. In the Book of Revelations even into the future. The prophet is seeing the physical and spiritual also. Those who don't understand this, don't comprehend what the prophet is saying and it is a mystery to them. Those who have ears to hear; it will be made clear; but to the religious and reprobate this is frightening. This thread is for those who desire to learn and grow in understanding.

 

[psalm6819]

So why didn't God say "Do not eat of it yet?"

 

[RussellJBenigno]

Let's look at something else the prophet Jeremiah wrote. Those who have spiritual eyes to see, what do you see?.
(Jer 4:23 [AKJV])
I beheld the earth, and, see, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
(Jer 4:23 [HCSB])
I looked at the earth, and it was formless and empty. I looked to the heavens, and their light was gone.
(Gen 1:2 [HCSB])
Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness covered the surface of the watery depths,....
The prophet is seeing the earth in desolation in the past as in Genesis. Lets' go on.
(Jer 4:24-27 [AKJV])
I beheld the mountains, and, see, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, see, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, see, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
The prophet is seeing the world in desolation and there are cities!The birds and animals are gone. How can that be?Cities and animals in the desolation at what we call the creation, how? Then the prophet is snapped back to the present. The prophet has seen the past and future about what is to happen.
For thus has the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
Prophets are not subject to our physical and spiritual understanding.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

To those I'm not responding to it is because you are on the ignore list because of your ungodly behavior. If in doubt just ask.

 

[RickyZ]

To those I'm not responding to it is because you are on the ignore list because of your ungodly behavior. If in doubt just ask.

Wow that sounds like a good idea. You are now on my ignore list. Thanks for the tip!

 

[Magenta]

If Jesus is the tree of life in the garden, why will there be two trees of life in the New Jerusalem? As a side note, I understand that the Olive tree is considered the tree of life in the Middle East and by a strange coincidence Jesus said that the leaves of the Trees of Life would heal the nations and olive leaf tincture will kill hundreds of pathogens.

Hello again Rev 22 actually only mentions the one tree, even though it is on both sides of the river.

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

 

[Tintin]

Wow that sounds like a good idea. You are now on my ignore list. Thanks for the tip!

I shall do the same. Good on you, bro.

 

[RickyZ]

Maybe we could set a record, most ignored user on the forum!

Anyone else hitting the ignore button on this guy?

Any one? Anyone?

Buehler?

 

[ember]

Maybe we could set a record, most ignored user on the forum!

Anyone else hitting the ignore button on this guy?

Any one? Anyone?

Buehler?

how about report?

anyway, there is going to be more and more of this esoterical type teaching and those who adhere to the truth, will be called out and singled out...we will become the 'dangerous' ones

oh...and about that prophecy for the east coast?

It is not going to happen. That woman is a false prophet and does not hear from God...at last she restrains herself from cursing others and judging them...at least as far as I know

 

[Cateau]

Ezekiel 31 Give us a glimpse into what was happening in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve were not eating an apple as we were taught. The tree was not a green leafy tree under which they sat. The scripture many times uses metaphors to explain simple truths. I think these metaphors come about, because the real meaning has been lost over time. I'm sure the book of Genesis was given by oral tradition for years until written down.

Ezek 31:1-18...., the word of the LORD came to me: “Son of man, say to Pharaoh king of Egypt and his hordes: ​​​​​​“‘Who are you like in your greatness? ​​​Consider Assyria, a cedar in Lebanon, ​​​​​​with beautiful branches, like a forest giving shade, ​​​​​​and extremely tall; ​​​​​​its top reached into the clouds. ​​​​​​​The water made it grow; ​​​​​​underground springs made it grow tall. ​​​​​​Rivers flowed all around the place it was planted, ​​​​​​while smaller channels watered all the trees the​​Therefore it grew taller than all the trees of the field; ​​​​​​its boughs grew large and its branches grew long, ​​​​​​because of the plentiful water in its shoots. ​​​​​​​All the birds of the sky nested in its boughs; ​​​​​​under its branches all the beasts of the field gave birth, ​​​​​​in its shade all the great nations lived. ​​​​​​​It was beautiful in its loftiness, in the length of its branches; ​​​​​​for its roots went down deep to plentiful waters. ​​​​​​​The cedars in the garden of God could not eclipse it, ​​​​​​nor could the fir trees match its boughs; ​​​​​​the plane trees were as nothing compared to its branches; ​​​​​​no tree in the garden of God could rival its beauty. ​​​​​​​I made it beautiful with its many branches; ​​​​​​all the trees of Eden, in the garden of God, envied it.
“‘Therefore this is what the sovereign LORD says: Because it was tall in stature, and its top reached into the clouds, and it was proud of its height, I gave it over to the leader of the nations. He has judged it thoroughly, as its sinfulness deserves. I have thrown it out. Foreigners from the most terrifying nations have cut it down and left it to lie there on the mountains. In all the valleys its branches have fallen, and its boughs lie broken in the ravines of the land. All the peoples of the land have departed from its shade and left it. On its ruins all the birds of the sky will live, and all the wild animals will walk on its branches. For this reason no watered trees will grow so tall; their tops will not reach into the clouds, nor will the well-watered ones grow that high. For all of them have been appointed to die in the lower parts of the earth; they will be among mere mortals, with those who descend to the pit. “‘This is what the sovereign LORD says: On the day it went down to Sheol I caused observers to lament. I covered it with the deep and held back its rivers; its plentiful water was restrained. I clothed Lebanon in black for it, and all the trees of the field wilted because of it. I made the nations shake at the sound of its fall, when I threw it down to Sheol, along with those who descend to the pit. Then all the trees of Eden, the choicest and the best of Lebanon, all that were well-watered, were comforted in the earth below. Those who lived in its shade, its allies among the nations, also went down with it to Sheol, to those killed by the sword.Which of the trees of Eden was like you in majesty and loftiness? You will be brought down with the trees of Eden to the lower parts of the earth; you will lie among the uncircumcised, with those killed by the sword! This is what will happen to Pharaoh and all his hordes, declares the sovereign LORD.’”

The trees spoken of go back to the Garden of Eden, which means they were thousands of years old. These were not men because men are mentioned in the text. These were beyond men and existed in the Garden of Eden. When Adam was told to tend to the trees of the Garden, he was tending to teachers who bore fruit [teachings]. When Eve brought Adam fruit to eat, it was teachings. The trees are angelic beings who are over countries and existed from the time of the Garden of Eden.

Yesterday i saw on PBS a program on Judaism/Christianity and their simmilar components tieing them to the religion of the Cannanites that worshiped El who in the Bible also appears. It mentioned that an ancient artifact with a blessing enscribed on it is in hidding, but pictures have been taken and copies have been manufactured, that depict Yahweh and His wife Shastar...er something. And she is symbolized by a tree, perhaps the Tree of life. There's so much being found about cultures long forgotten and religions which all essencially started polytheistic, i dont know if we will ever truley know here on earth who we really worship but i found it evident that El of the Cannanites could very well be Yah of the IsraELies. Just like if He has a wife makes Him to be relatable to Vishnu who both having their cosmic worshipers give them permission to be worshipped even though they are lower than he. This makes sense in Catholicism and Hinduism who although not all attention goes to the Powerhead diety they are not punished for worshipping others in the cosmic order and recieve answered prayers. Civilizations are acknowledging someone otherworldly arrived but according to each owns traditions, described and depicted Him unsimmilarliy. Buddah, Allah, Jesus..ect. Things have been distorted greatly, with the bible under gnostic influence idk what to think after Joseph Campbell described how it shares precepts with Greek mythology and learning how in Jesus's era there was pottery that could convert water to wine. Lots of things are kinda making me become concerned if the first coming did happen.. .maybe the heratics did "get" the right person. That's my main concern.

 

[psalm6819]

This guy hasn't been banned yet?

 

[psalm6819]

Of course I have superior knowledge compared to you. Those of us called to bring growth to the Church are directed by the Holy Spirit of God. My office far exceeds anything you could vainly imagine. On your day of judgement you will be filled with dread because of all the vain words you have spoken against God and His anointed.

You, sir are full of baloney. Your office oughta be closed, the only thing growing is your ego.

 

[dcontroversal]

A choice.......!

 

[RussellJBenigno]

Yesterday i saw on PBS a program on Judaism/Christianity and their simmilar components tieing them to the religion of the Cannanites that worshiped El who in the Bible also appears. It mentioned that an ancient artifact with a blessing enscribed on it is in hidding, but pictures have been taken and copies have been manufactured, that depict Yahweh and His wife Shastar...er something. And she is symbolized by a tree, perhaps the Tree of life. There's so much being found about cultures long forgotten and religions which all essencially started polytheistic, i dont know if we will ever truley know here on earth who we really worship but i found it evident that El of the Cannanites could very well be Yah of the IsraELies. Just like if He has a wife makes Him to be relatable to Vishnu who both having their cosmic worshipers give them permission to be worshipped even though they are lower than he. This makes sense in Catholicism and Hinduism who although not all attention goes to the Powerhead diety they are not punished for worshipping others in the cosmic order and recieve answered prayers. Civilizations are acknowledging someone otherworldly arrived but according to each owns traditions, described and depicted Him unsimmilarliy. Buddah, Allah, Jesus..ect. Things have been distorted greatly, with the bible under gnostic influence idk what to think after Joseph Campbell described how it shares precepts with Greek mythology and learning how in Jesus's era there was pottery that could convert water to wine. Lots of things are kinda making me become concerned if the first coming did happen.. .maybe the heratics did "get" the right person. That's my main concern.

There are many things we don't know. There was a man just prior to Jesus who basically did the same things as Jesus and was also killed by the Romans. I have handled all this extras; as you numerously mention; by making things as simplistic as possible. God is "Creator". God is not a he, she or an it. God does not have human form, :ie eyes, ears , hands feet and etc. These anthropomorphic images are for our reference and understanding. God transcends all our earthly understanding. God sent His word into the world and created a body for it. God has no mouth and does not make sounds controlled by vocal cords. So His word is something else. His word is able to interact with men. The Word is a representation of the Creator and carries out His will. The point is that everything you mention is man trying to place the creator into a box they can understand. This in no way destroys my faith in a "Son of the Creator."

 

[Cateau]

There are many things we don't know. There was a man just prior to Jesus who basically did the same things as Jesus and was also killed by the Romans. I have handled all this extras; as you numerously mention; by making things as simplistic as possible. God is "Creator". God is not a he, she or an it. God does not have human form, :ie eyes, ears , hands feet and etc. These anthropomorphic images are for our reference and understanding. God transcends all our earthly understanding. God sent His word into the world and created a body for it. God has no mouth and does not make sounds controlled by vocal cords. So His word is something else. His word is able to interact with men. The Word is a representation of the Creator and carries out His will. The point is that everything you mention is man trying to place the creator into a box they can understand. This in no way destroys my faith in a "Son of the Creator."

So would god be ok with saying jesus instead of Yah or Allah instead of god? I understand he is 3 in one being angelic, man and cosmic consciousness but to say He is not Yah not Yeshua not Mikeahl is to open the door of idolatry. To not study what doctrins have been robbed of truth like the crusifiction on a stake when it was a tree trunk holds much importance to wave away a name and say oh use any its ok he's listening is dangerous. That sort of leave it be practice is what leads to the damnation of souls for we will be judged also for what we do not know. Because we should look until we find. Knock until answered or we may be dismayed to know we were wrong all along.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

...shares precepts with Greek mythology...

This accrued to me when Pilot was struck with fear when he learned Jesus claimed to be a son of God. Hercules was a "Son of Zeus". Greek mythology was running through Pilots head. He was most likely thinking about the wrath of Zeus for messing with a Son of the gods".

 

[Cateau]

Could be but how much was stitched in the bible? As JC not jesus christ lol, compares gods impregnating mortal females in the form of animals. A goose... a dove.... Although representing spirit, we hope, but they are very simmilar stories. Jesus was said to be taken from a myth of dioynes (idk how to spell it) who was torn to shreds as a babe and reserrected, being part god and all. If thats so, considering the other myths the bible shares precepts with, it could be that its been diluted too much to even trust