Tree of "Good and Evil". What is it really?

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Christine1974

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Not if you hold the view that Genesis 1:1 is the recreation of the earth, which came after the fall. There are theories and conjectures in passages of scripture which point to a pre-Adamic existence. I hold to a view which holds that the earth and universe were salvaged from desolation, because of Lucifer's rebellion. Lucifer did not go quietly when he took 2/3 of the angelic host with him. If you read this thread from the beginning I speak of other beings being present in the Garden along with Adam and Eve.
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I read your post about the beings in the garden but I didn't think you meant they were created before God created everything. I've heard that theory before. It's a little out there for me because that's like saying when God created light in Genesis that He had already created it. I don't want to debate you on it. Lol.
 
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Christine1974 said:
I read your post about the beings in the garden but I didn't think you meant they were created before God created everything. I've heard that theory before. It's a little out there for me because that's like saying when God created light in Genesis that He had already created it. I don't want to debate you on it. Lol.
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We don't need to debate just share thoughts. There are really vile people who are abusive, because others doesn't believe what they believe. I don't need to prove I'm right and your wrong, that's for the immature. Those people I've relegated to my ignore list.

Now why this thread. Scripture is really snapshots in time. There is a lot of space between when one picture is taken and then the next. So we don't have a clear contiguous line of thought. Some of these gaps between the snapshots are later addressed in other parts of scripture. This thread was filling in some of those gaps by words spoken by God's prophet. It is the prophet who said the words about other beings in the Garden, not me. This is what many fail to understand. I'm just merely pointing out what was he said and by doing so filling in the gaps.
 
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RussellJBenigno said:
There are really vile people who are abusive, because others doesn't believe what they believe. I don't need to prove I'm right and your wrong, that's for the immature.
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Just had to peek and looky what I found.

You do realize that you have made several posts in which you do these very things, right?
 
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Before studying/reading the Bible it is best to Pray first seek GOD for Revelation on the Scriptures. The tree of good and evil is just that a tree. We know because the Bible clearly states its location. It also states that the fruit was able to be looked upon and touched as well as be eaten. It also states that the tree was within the Garden in which angels were to protect the entrance.

When there is a symbol, type, parable etc the HOLY SPIRIT will have one dig deeper and as one explores HE Reveals. We must not be fooled by what GOD Teaches to what satan confuses.

Blessings!!!!!!!
 
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RussellJBenigno said:
Tree of the "knowledge" of good and evil. What was it really?
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It was where man bought the lie that he could be "like God" by determining "good and evil" in reference to himself. We can all see how well that has worked out.


 
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Eva1218 said:
Before studying/reading the Bible it is best to Pray first seek GOD for Revelation on the Scriptures. The tree of good and evil is just that a tree. We know because the Bible clearly states its location. It also states that the fruit was able to be looked upon and touched as well as be eaten. It also states that the tree was within the Garden in which angels were to protect the entrance.

When there is a symbol, type, parable etc the HOLY SPIRIT will have one dig deeper and as one explores HE Reveals. We must not be fooled by what GOD Teaches to what satan confuses.

Blessings!!!!!!!
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Wow! You really dug deeper! Its a tree! That's as deep as the Holy Spirit takes you? Such a sad group of people here.
 
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FreeNChrist said:
It was where man bought the lie that he could be "like God" by determining "good and evil" in reference to himself. We can all see how well that has worked out.
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OOOps!
(Ps 82:6 [CPDV])
You are gods, and all of you are sons of the Most High.
 
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FreeNChrist

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OOOps!
(Ps 82:6 [CPDV])
You are gods, and all of you are sons of the Most High.
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Psalm 82:6 is speaking of magistrates who were regarded by those they ruled as having the authority of God and were called “gods,” in the same way as the governmental leaders in some countries are still called “lords” today.


 
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Psalm 82:6 is speaking of magistrates who were regarded by those they ruled as having the authority of God and were called “gods,” in the same way as the governmental leaders in some countries are still called “lords” today.
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I know where this is going so I'll cut to the chase.
(Ps 82:1 -8 [TS98])
Elohim stands in the congregation of Ěl [The Almighty]; He judges in the midst of the Elohim. How long would you judge perversely, And show partiality to the wrong? Selah. Give right-ruling to the poor and fatherless, Do right to the afflicted and needy. Rescue the poor and needy; Deliver them from the hand of the wrong. They do not know, nor do they understand, They walk about in darkness. All the foundations of the earth are shaken. I, I said, “You are Eohim, And all of you are sons of the Most High. “But as men you die, And fall as one of the heads.” Arise, O Elohim, judge the earth, For You shall possess all the nations.
The original Hebrew say,"Elohim stands among the Elohim" and says,"You are Elohim, children of the Most High God". You can distort The Word of God all you want, but the Hebrew says otherwise. The scripture cannot be broken!
(John 10:34 [TS98])
יהושע [Jesus] answered them, “Is it not written in your own Torah, ‘I said, “You are Elohim” ’? “If He called them Elohim, to whom the word of Elohim came – and it is impossible for the Scripture to be broken –
I believe the scripture. I believe God. I believe Jesus Christ. I've never meet so many people who despise the scripture and call God, His Son and His prophets liars.
It astounds me!
 
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RussellJBenigno said:
I know where this is going so I'll cut to the chase.
(Ps 82:1 -8 [TS98])
Elohim stands in the congregation of Ěl [The Almighty]; He judges in the midst of the Elohim. How long would you judge perversely, And show partiality to the wrong? Selah. Give right-ruling to the poor and fatherless, Do right to the afflicted and needy. Rescue the poor and needy; Deliver them from the hand of the wrong. They do not know, nor do they understand, They walk about in darkness. All the foundations of the earth are shaken. I, I said, “You are Eohim, And all of you are sons of the Most High. “But as men you die, And fall as one of the heads.” Arise, O Elohim, judge the earth, For You shall possess all the nations.
The original Hebrew say,"Elohim stands among the Elohim" and says,"You are Elohim, children of the Most High God". You can distort The Word of God all you want, but the Hebrew says otherwise. The scripture cannot be broken!
(John 10:34 [TS98])
יהושע [Jesus] answered them, “Is it not written in your own Torah, ‘I said, “You are Elohim” ’? “If He called them Elohim, to whom the word of Elohim came – and it is impossible for the Scripture to be broken –
I believe the scripture. I believe God. I believe Jesus Christ. I've never meet so many people who despise the scripture and call God, His Son and His prophets liars.
It astounds me!
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If you believe you are a god, or will become a god, you are certainly free to do so.
 
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If you believe you are a god, or will become a god, you are certainly free to do so.
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If a cat reproduces, it reproduces cats. If a tree reproduces, it reproduces a tree. If God reproduces He reproduces what? If I am born of God, what does that make me?
(John 10:35-36 [TS98])
“If He called them Elohim, to whom the word of Elohim came – and it is impossible for the Scripture to be broken –do you say of Him whom the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of Elohim’?
(John 1:12-13 [TS98])
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of Elohim, to those believing in His Name, who were born, not of blood nor of the desire of flesh nor of the desire of man, but of Elohim.
The Scripture and Word of God is clear. Why do you take the position of the Pharisees and fight against it? What reproduction are you from? Just something for you to think about, if you have a heart to do so.
 
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RussellJBenigno said:
If a cat reproduces, it reproduces cats. If a tree reproduces, it reproduces a tree. If God reproduces He reproduces what? If I am born of God, what does that make me?
(John 10:35-36 [TS98])
“If He called them Elohim, to whom the word of Elohim came – and it is impossible for the Scripture to be broken –do you say of Him whom the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of Elohim’?
(John 1:12-13 [TS98])
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of Elohim, to those believing in His Name, who were born, not of blood nor of the desire of flesh nor of the desire of man, but of Elohim.
The Scripture and Word of God is clear. Why do you take the position of the Pharisees and fight against it? What reproduction are you from? Just something for you to think about, if you have a heart to do so.
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Christians are mere containers of the divine, never does the container become its Content.


 
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FreeNChrist said:
Christians are mere containers of the divine, never does the container become its Content.
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(1John 3:2 [TS98])
Beloved ones, now we are children of Elohim. And it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
(1John 4:16 -17[TS98])
And we have known and believed the love that Elohim has for us. Elohim is love, and he who stays in love stays in Elohim, and Elohim in him. By this love has been perfected with us, in order that we might have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is so are we in this world.

So far all I have heard is,"I'm not going to believe what the Word of God says and states very clearly". There is a blindness switch which flips on when the Word of God is presented. In away its sad to watch that happen, but once again the scripture cannot be broken,
(Rom 1:18-19 [TS98])
For the wrath of Elohim is revealed from heaven against all wickedness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known of Elohim is manifest among them, for Elohim has manifested it to them.

To those of us unto whom the Word of God has come, we are His children. As His children we are an exact reflection of Him. This is why in Ps 82 "Elohim speaks to Elohim". The Father sees Himself in His children. It is because we are made in His image and born of Him.
(Phil 2:5 -6[TS98])
For, let this mind be in you which was also in Messiah יהושע,
who, being in the form of Elohim, did not regard equality with Elohim a matter to be grasped,
Any child of God has the humility of their Father, because they are in His image.
Modern christianity does not grasp this because they are holding onto the doctrines of the Pharisees and demons. These doctrines seek to steal the inheritance of the children.

 
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RussellJBenigno said:
(1John 3:2 [TS98])
Beloved ones, now [/COLOR]we are children of Elohim. And it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
[/SIZE](1John 4:16 -17[TS98])
And we have known and believed the love that Elohim has for us. Elohim is love, and he who stays in love stays in Elohim, and Elohim in him. By this love has been perfected with us, in order that we might have boldness in the day of judgment, because as He is so are we in this world.

So far all I have heard is,"I'm not going to believe what the Word of God says and states very clearly". There is a blindness switch which flips on when the Word of God is presented. In away its sad to watch that happen, but once again the scripture cannot be broken,
(Rom 1:18-19 [TS98])
For the wrath of Elohim is revealed from heaven against all wickedness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known of Elohim is manifest among them, for Elohim has manifested it to them.

To those of us unto whom the Word of God has come, we are His children. As His children we are an exact reflection of Him. This is why in Ps 82 "Elohim speaks to Elohim". The Father sees Himself in His children. It is because we are made in His image and born of Him.
(Phil 2:5 -6[TS98])
For, let this mind be in you which was also in Messiah יהושע,
who, being in the form of Elohim, did not regard equality with Elohim a matter to be grasped,
Any child of God has the humility of their Father, because they are in His image.
Modern christianity does not grasp this because they are holding onto the doctrines of the Pharisees and demons. These doctrines seek to steal the inheritance of the children.
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What group do you belong to that teaches this??


 
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I was raised a Baptist, went to a fundamentalist bible college and taught everything everyone else was taught here and Pastored my own church for years. It was not until I was challenged to read the bible as it is written that things began to change. I saw things I never saw before because the man made teachings in my head prevented me from seeing. "The god of this word has blinded them least they should see and be healed". Just like Paul I was blinded by the teachings of the Pharisees. It is difficult for you to understand [not that you are stupid] because the teachings in your head interfere with the scripture presented. It took me 6yrs to clear those teachings out for the Revelation to flow in. Paul went through the same process when he went to Arabia. He had to overcome the man made to let the Revelation flow.
 
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RussellJBenigno said:
I was raised a Baptist, went to a fundamentalist bible college and taught everything everyone else was taught here and Pastored my own church for years. It was not until I was challenged to read the bible as it is written that things began to change. I saw things I never saw before because the man made teachings in my head prevented me from seeing. "The god of this word has blinded them least they should see and be healed". Just like Paul I was blinded by the teachings of the Pharisees. It is difficult for you to understand [not that you are stupid] because the teachings in your head interfere with the scripture presented. It took me 6yrs to clear those teachings out for the Revelation to flow in. Paul went through the same process when he went to Arabia. He had to overcome the man made to let the Revelation flow.
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God is, by definition, uncreated. Therefore anything that is created cannot be God. You are created. Go back to school.
 
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FreeNChrist said:
God is, by definition, uncreated. Therefore anything that is created cannot be God. You are created. Go back to school.
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what exactly is he wrong about? and why does it matter what "group" anyone belongs to. the truth can be held in the minority of one regardless of their group.
 
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FreeNChrist said:
God is, by definition, uncreated. Therefore anything that is created cannot be God. You are created. Go back to school.
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I find it the height of arrogance to tell God what He can do and not do. Your argument is with Him and His Word, that should tell you something about yourself. I'm just pointing out what is written.

 
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