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2ndTimothyGroup

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We are on the same Team. I'm just Screaming that Free Will is a thing.
And that is precisely why I am asking if you have read the entire Bible. The Plans of God do not revolve around the plans and desires of lowly humans. Because you did not answer my question, I will assume that you are missing the Holy Points and Objectives of the Bible. The Old Testament should convince that humans have no power . . . at . . . all.
 

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And that is precisely why I am asking if you have read the entire Bible. The Plans of God do not revolve around the plans and desires of lowly humans. Because you did not answer my question, I will assume that you are missing the Holy Points and Objectives of the Bible. The Old Testament should convince that humans have no power . . . at . . . all.
Excuse me, but why are you bullying this man for answering my questions? He has been answering sincerely in faith about his insights as to how one's mind functions, and I at least am appreciative of his effort, so maybe call off your dogs?
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Excuse me, but why are you bullying this man for answering my questions? He has been answering sincerely in faith about his insights as to how one's mind functions, and I at least am appreciative of his effort, so maybe call off your dogs?
Say what? Here is the definition of bullying:

"Seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce (someone perceived as vulnerable)."

It seems to me that you are trying to intimidate me, and coerce me into "calling off the dogs." - Pittsburgejoe is NOT a vulnerable person, but seems to have total control over himself . . . and [not] bothered by me in the least. The only problem between me and PBJoe is yourself.
 

psalms118

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Say what? Here is the definition of bullying:

"Seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce (someone perceived as vulnerable)."

It seems to me that you are trying to intimidate me, and coerce me into "calling off the dogs." - Pittsburgejoe is NOT a vulnerable person, but seems to have total control over himself . . . and [not] bothered by me in the least. The only problem between me and PBJoe is yourself.
Bullying is when you start a conversation with a put down (calling his thoughts evil,) and follow up answers with mocking responses (mocking PB's mention of free will, saying "have you read THE BIBLE???" dismissively instead of engaging with what PB actually said,) and then giving a reflective defense when called out on it (aka "I'm not the bully, you are!") As it seems that you really didn't know what bullying is before now, maybe this will help in understanding it going forward.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Bullying is when you start a conversation with a put down (calling his thoughts evil,) and follow up answers with mocking responses (mocking PB's mention of free will, saying "have you read THE BIBLE???" dismissively instead of engaging with what PB actually said,) and then giving a reflective defense when called out on it (aka "I'm not the bully, you are!") As it seems that you really didn't know what bullying is before now, maybe this will help in understanding it going forward.
I just read all of my participation within this thread and I have no idea of what you're going on about.
 

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I just read all of my participation within this thread and I have no idea of what you're going on about.
That is consistent with genuinely not knowing what you did that was transgressive, and I do believe you in that. Please believe both PBJoe and me though when we both noted your aggressive behaviour. Him when he rebuked you with "We are on the same team." And me with all that followed.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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That is consistent with genuinely not knowing what you did that was transgressive, and I do believe you in that. Please believe both PBJoe and me though when we both noted your aggressive behaviour. Him when he rebuked you with "We are on the same team." And me with all that followed.
LOL - "We're on the same team" is a rebuking?

Listen, I don't know what's going on with you, but it can't be good. You've made some pretty incredible judgments about what I think and feel. But then again, God is my Father and Protector . . . you can do with me as you wish. I dun't care.
 

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Good and evil from the tree of knowledge was Choices without considering God.

You can't have direct proof, that would ruin your choice to believe. God doesn't force His Will ..you have to choose it.

Choose to know good and evil that includes GOD in the choice.

He told them that tree would cause death.

death is leaving God out of your choices.

it was temptation to leave God out of their lives.

the tree of knowledge is a literal tree (tree chart) of choices using man's knowledge without involving God.

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amen they had to first ignore and remove Gods word from thier decision making to fail.

God had already made them free and given them dominion and glory on earth. His decision was to place them in Eden and teach them to live as his children the royalty on earth, man as king and woman as queen at his side

Gods kingdom was established in order God and then man beneath him as ruler in his image and will . but when they removed him from thier decision making the kingdom fell into the worlds image through mans transgression partaking of a self exaltation of removing Gods decision making which is what man is created to operate in and live .

but partaking of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil makes the choice that God doesn’t know best and his word isn’t for our good. We chose and still choose often does
Mankind to reject what God said and partake of what Satan has to say about it after we hear the truth
 

Pilgrimshope

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I'm done with atheists saying Adam and Eve couldn't make an informed choice.
They knew what good and evil was ..it was about which brand they were going to use ..God or beast.

The first sin is the first choice in the dead tree chart of choices. It caused corrupted flesh for mankind. Adam handed the keys of death over to satan when choosing it. Christ had victory over death and won them back for us.

You only need to choose Life once to branch off into the Tree Chart of Life.
they knew it was a death sentance to partake , that was a commandment for life. But Satan used it for death by beguiling eve and spreading a lie to Adam causing thier transgression of what they knew was Gods word .

notice that Satan waits until after eve replies with what God said ? And then beguiles and deceives her with his words twisting the truth of Gods word .

they had no knowledge of sin until Satan introduced it to thier minds and hearts which is a channel to our soul. They knew that the knowledge of good and evil was death but they transgressed because of what Satan said ( the knowledge of good and evil ) v the ( knowledge of life eternal) Gods word is life and blessing satans is cursing and death

Stan is definately the root of mans fall into sin so he’ll was prepared for him , and those who follow his will follow his path

but because God is just he has sent the gospel to correct the knowledge Satan infiltrated them with. The knowledge of Jesus is the truth that saves us from the knowledge of good and evil that leads us into sin

Those who end up in eternity with Satan are following him to his eternal
Home and Christ is the way home to God for eternity

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

...Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:

but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41-43, 45-


The soul is eternal and we have an eternal home waiting indeed there’s a choice between the tree of life

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51‬ ‭

We’re already convinced of good and evil at our core

“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:21, 23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats not supposed to be there in our nature it’s there because of the forbidden knowledge. Introduced by satans deception and mans subsequent transgression lacking faith in Gods word .
 
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Excuse me, but why are you bullying this man for answering my questions? He has been answering sincerely in faith about his insights as to how one's mind functions, and I at least am appreciative of his effort, so maybe call off your dogs?
Let it go, 2ndTimothyGroup just flips out whenever I mention science ..he has a good heart.
 
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sin and death are the same. Choices without including God, excuses. Righteous flames do something unpleasant to carnal minds that have sin timelines attached.

Righteous Free Will (Truth/Life) vs self-righteous free will (own version of "truth" of death). It's about the tree bases.

sin/death timeline is your use of choices from the tree of knowledge. Get on the Righteous/Life Tree for choices to be compatible with infinity.
 
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Revelation 20:6​
Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.​

What if we enter the first resurrection when God renews our spirit?
But what is with that "thousand years"?
Are we in that thousand years right now?
 
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“The hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice & come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgement.” - John 5:28, 29.

Did this resurrection already happen with Jesus?

Are we in a Judgement Age?
 
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It would mean most of Revelation already happened. This might be the final shot at us choosing/getting access, to the Tree of Life.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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This might be the final shot at us choosing/getting access, to the Tree of Life.
For sure. We need to Turn to Christ for His Circumcision . . . right . . . now. Nothing is more important. We can know all Bible, but if we have not received His Holy Operation . . . none of our knowledge counts for anything. This is why I reference Spiritual Circumcision in nearly EVERY post I've ever put up (on this site).
 
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For sure. We need to Turn to Christ for His Circumcision . . . right . . . now. Nothing is more important. We can know all Bible, but if we have not received His Holy Operation . . . none of our knowledge counts for anything. This is why I reference Spiritual Circumcision in nearly EVERY post I've ever put up (on this site).
We need that Circumcision for Christ to stand in for us at Judgement ..but is that Judgement right now? Could there be an Age of Judgement?
 
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Is every day Judgement in an Age of Judgement? Is this why we die everyday with Christ?

1844 Judgement Begins

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2ndTimothyGroup

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We need that Circumcision for Christ to stand in for us at Judgement ..but is that Judgement right now? Could there be an Age of Judgement?
The Circumcision of Christ sets us apart from the Law, which is what we all need . . . desperately. The Circumcision of Christ is the lifting, or removal, of the Sin Nature. We need that ASAP . . . not for the Day of Christ. Without Christs Circumcision, there is no Holy Understanding of God's Word. This Circumcision [is] at the Core of the Bible.
 
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We know we are Judged for every day we live in a fallen life. But maybe the Judgement is active the whole time.