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2ndTimothyGroup

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I use atheist's "dead/man's" language to lead them down paths that end in the Light. Everything i do on this site is trying to generate ways to wake them.
Perplexing. How can you awaken anyone if you're ideas are nothing more than suppositions? You are rewriting the Bible. Please be careful.
 
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Scripture, please.

Come on now. God doesn't see the future, He creates it. His Eternal Plan is written upon Heavenly Scrolls and these Scrolls cannot be altered by mere humans. This is abundantly clear if a person were to just read the entire Bible and do their best to understand each phrase and concept.
Context clues? Are you saying we don't have Free Will?


Why didn't God remove satan right away? Why did He send His Son to be a Sacrifice?

Free Will must be monumentally important. Any quick fix God would have done would have hindered it.

A Righteous God must consider Free Will limitation to be evil ..that includes imposing it on satan.

God set everything up so that you always have the Free Will choice to believe ..or not.

Sending His Son was the only way to keep Free Will intact and show us The Way to everlasting Life.

satan has deceived the fallen to only care about the beast system perception (fallen free will) ..money, pride, violence, vanity, and lust.
 

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Are you saying we don't have Free Will?
That's exactly what I am saying. If you read the ENTIRE Bible and logged every passage that indicates free will and every passage that indicates otherwise . . . you will then know the Truth.

Why didn't God remove satan right away? Why did He send His Son to be a Sacrifice?
Because the Lord has an Eternal Plan. Search for that phrase. It is a real teaching.

God set everything up so that you always have the Free Will choice to believe ..or not.
Not possible.

Sending His Son was the only way to keep Free Will intact
This is totally made up within your mind. There is no scripture to support this.

satan has deceived you to only care about the beast system perception
I have no idea of what this is . . . it isn't in any of the Bibles (translations) I have ever read.

Please stop these wild ideas.
 
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We have Free Will to choose His Will / Spirit / Perception / Righteousness / Presence / Image / Love / Truth
These are all related.

Jesus showed us The Way with Truth of the blind situation we are in. Light to open our eyes to a Righteous Perception/Conscience of reality. God is Spirit ..death is blindness to GOD.

A dead spirit can't perceive The Way because The Way requires perception of God. You have to let go of man's logic (spiritual blindness).

Adam was the first man with a Perception/Image of God.
Adam ate the perception/image of the beast.


  • We need the Perception/Image of Christ to gain The Way to the Tree of Life.


You can believe by eating God's Knowledge (Fruit) and Perceive The Way He does. Free Will is limited by direct evidence of God because it breaks the death perception. The whole point of this place is to choose God's Perception instead of death ..on your own.


  • The New Covenant (Spirit of the Heart) is the Free Will Choice to Believe for Everyone ..not just Jews.
  • Free Will was always a thing, but you can't have the Choice to Believe unless you have Knowledge of God.

The Tree of Life is the Righteous Spirit of God that Witnesses our spirit/Perception/Image of Christ. It is what keeps us in The Book of Life.
Luke 9:60​
Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God​

A dead (spirit) can't hear Christ's Voice. It can't follow Him and perceive The Way He does.

This place is setup for you to believe God on your own, without direct evidence, because God doesn't want to force His Perception on anyone. To do so would be limiting your Free Will. The ability to choose by yourself is the core of Free Will ..and reality.

God sees the outcome. The Plan is from the future based on what you chose. Your choice matters ..and you will be Judged on it.

The purpose of this reality is to choose Life or death ..FREE WILL.

I'm done with determinism saying Free Will doesn't exist. You get judged from your point of view, God knowing what you were going to do doesn't matter. The excuse doesn't work at Judgement. "Oh, Hey God, you knew I was going to eat that apple ..so it doesn't count."
 

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We have Free Will to choose His Will / Spirit / Perception / Righteousness / Presence / Image / Love / Truth
These are all related.

Jesus showed us The Way with Truth of the blind situation we are in. Light to open our eyes to a Righteous Perception/Conscience of reality. God is Spirit ..death is blindness to GOD.

A dead spirit can't perceive The Way because The Way requires perception of God. You have to let go of man's logic (spiritual blindness).

Adam was the first man with a Perception/Image of God.
Adam ate the perception/image of the beast.


  • We need the Perception/Image of Christ to gain The Way to the Tree of Life.


You can believe by eating God's Knowledge (Fruit) and Perceive The Way He does. Free Will is limited by direct evidence of God because it breaks the death perception. The whole point of this place is to choose God's Perception instead of death ..on your own.


  • The New Covenant (Spirit of the Heart) is the Free Will Choice to Believe for Everyone ..not just Jews.
  • Free Will was always a thing, but you can't have the Choice to Believe unless you have Knowledge of God.

The Tree of Life is the Righteous Spirit of God that Witnesses our spirit/Perception/Image of Christ. It is what keeps us in The Book of Life.
Luke 9:60​
Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God​

A dead (spirit) can't hear Christ's Voice. It can't follow Him and perceive The Way He does.

This place is setup for you to believe God on your own, without direct evidence, because God doesn't want to force His Perception on anyone. To do so would be limiting your Free Will. The ability to choose by yourself is the core of Free Will ..and reality.

God sees the outcome. The Plan is from the future based on what you chose. Your choice matters ..and you will be Judged on it.

The purpose of this reality is to choose Life or death ..FREE WILL.

I'm done with determinism saying free will doesn't exist. You get judged from your point of view, God knowing what you were going to do doesn't matter. The excuse doesn't work at Judgement. "Oh, Hey God, you knew I was going to eat that apple ..so it doesn't count."
Take care sir. I can't do this anylonger.
 
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determinism is something i constantly hear from atheists.

GOD doesn't put the fruit in your hand.
 

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I use atheist's "dead/man's" language to lead them down paths that end in the Light. Everything i do on this site is trying to generate ways to wake them.
Scripture, please.

Come on now. God doesn't see the future, He creates it. His Eternal Plan is written upon Heavenly Scrolls and these Scrolls cannot be altered by mere humans. This is abundantly clear if a person were to just read the entire Bible and do their best to understand each phrase and concept.
“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing:

therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:19‬ ‭

God doesn’t cause us to sin , he never caused Adam to eat the fruit Satan presented then with an alternative idea and they took the bait and chose his word rather than Gods. It’s always been the same the choice now is the gospel or the world that tries to blind us to it

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭

we can choose to believe the word regarding baptism and remission of sins and go get baptized because we believe the word

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39, 41‬ ‭

there were some I chose not to bother getting baptized because they don’t believe the gospel so why bother doing what one doesn’t believe is true ? But if I believe baptism is for remission of sins declared by the lord , why wouldn’t I go get baptized ?

to believe Jesus gives you the choice just as believing Satan gave them one in Eden we can now choose the right word to believe and be saved

When we insist God is behind the evil things people do , we’re giving Satan cover to operate in people’s lives without knowing it because the evil we do is based on who we choose to serve
Whether satans will by our flesh desire or Gods will by the spirit. It’s our choice who to yield ourselves to obey

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16-18, 22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if God causes is to sin , the. Punished us for sinning it makes our God into something aweful that he is not . God doesn’t take pleasure in anyone’s suffering that’s what sin causes.

When Cain killed Abel it was because he ignored what God told him to do and be accepted as his brother was, and listened to sin which God had warned him not to do. Cain killed Abel not Gods will but satans will In Cain by cains invite and acceptance, is why he killed Abel

he made the wrong choice when Satan gave him the idea to kill his brother he could have chosen Gods word and repented and been accepted but sin overcame Cain. He obeyed sin rather than God having Gods word and then being tempted to transgress

like his father before him he failed the test d followed the enemies word killed his brother and was exiled.

God never forces evil
People to do what they do they are following thoer fathers will rather than the father Christ teaches in the Gospel

In this the children of God are manifest,

and the children of the devil:

whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭3:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬
man is either a child of God I loves us and wants us to live or satan who told us he is for our food but acrually seeks to destroy and torment us because he is lost for eternity he wants company and wants us to lose our place like he did

he’s in the world now speaking loudly but So is the gospel , shining atop the hills in the horizon we can come to the light and live in the city where it shines or be in the world

“The field is the world;

the good seed are the children of the kingdom;

but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil;

the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:38-43‬ ‭

Things like that parable are
Meant for us to let the understanding that we need to stop sinning into our hearts
 

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Psalm 139:16 NLT - "You saw me before I was born. Every day of my life was recorded in your book. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed."
 

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Isaiah 37:26 NLT - "But have you not heard? I decided this long ago. Long ago I planned it, and now I am making it happen. I planned for you to crush fortified cities into heaps of rubble."
 

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Daniel 2:21 NLT - "He controls the course of world events; he removes kings and sets up other kings. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the scholars."
 

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There is NO tree of knowledge, Joe. Only "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil". So an entire thread for a non-existent tree.
He has been informed of this fact multiple times but cares not for proper terminology, preferring instead his vain philosophies.
 

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Right. You are rewriting the Bible, PBJ . . . and it is extremely upsetting.

Revelation 22:18 NLT - "And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book."
Proverbs 30:6 NLT - "Do not add to his words, or he may rebuke you and expose you as a liar."
Matthew 15:9, 13 NLT - "Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.'" ... 13 Jesus replied, "Every plant not planted by my heavenly Father will be uprooted,"
 
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Right. You are rewriting the Bible, PBJ . . . and it is extremely upsetting.

Revelation 22:18 NLT - "And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book."
Proverbs 30:6 NLT - "Do not add to his words, or he may rebuke you and expose you as a liar."
Matthew 15:9, 13 NLT - "Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.'" ... 13 Jesus replied, "Every plant not planted by my heavenly Father will be uprooted,"
Pretty sure that's about this:

When You Throw Jesus Under the Bus For Your Social Agenda - YouTube
 
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There is NO tree of knowledge, Joe. Only "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil". So an entire thread for a non-existent tree.
why did you cut my sentence in half? I'm screaming temptation is in the MIND
 
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Psalm 139:16 NLT - "You saw me before I was born. Every day of my life was recorded in your book. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed."
You are saying we are robots ..what would be the point of that to an Infinite GOD? You are refusing to consider what it means for GOD to know the outcome and THEN make The Plan.
 

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You are saying we are robots ..what would be the point of that to an Infinite God? You are refusing to consider what it means for God to know the outcome and THEN make The Plan.
I just report what the Word of God clearly states. You see, it is you that has an agenda. I report what I clearly read, but you have an agenda that you're trying to resolve within your own mind.

PBJ . . . slow down. Read the entire Bible in a timeline, chronological order so that you can understand the story that IS the Bible. It's all there for you, but until you read it like any other book or novel . . . in the order that it was written, it will be impossible to understand. You MUST do this.