TRIBULATION LIE
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Not you, I was talking in general terms, on page 2 comment #22 is exactly what I was referring too. I wasn't even talking about you at all when I said that. I was making a general point, you seem to jump to conclusions a lot. I haven't said or meant anything you have corrected me on yet. Maybe you could ask a few questions before you just swoop in to save everyone from our own ignorance sometime, because so far with me you're batting "0". For the record I agree with what you're saying, I have listened and agreed with your points. I do NOT agree with you if you think going around and arguing, name calling, questioning others faith, etc., is what Jesus called us to do. I am saying it is better and more effective to come together in love as brothers to discuss these things with respect. If you can't agree with that, my ONLY point this whole time if you go back and look, then we disagree and have a great day.
I can relate, you still have not made clear exactly what you were correcting me on originally or since. You tell me
"This needs to be addressed because this particular poster is suggesting that tribulation will only come in Jerusalem on the Jewish people and no one else will be effected",
yet that was never my point, I NEVER said anything about that, I also NEVER said anything about comprimising truth, as you seem to be suggesting in your second comment when you said
"We're in THE BODY if GOD opened the eyes and ears of our heart to THE GOSPEL
But we were called to witness to THE TRUTH
And to say that there is no tribulation. That this has already occurred, that Satan is bound up...that tribulation is a local event in jerusalem which will only come upon the Jews, is not truth
its no different than preaching "peace, peace"
When "peace, peace" is only for those who have fled to THE REFUGE
Those outside are outside and don't even know it".
Guess what I agree and never said anything to suggest otherwise, if you think I did then please point it out.
I was addressing what I saw in the comment section as a whole, I was making a point about how I feel we as Christians are called to discuss these things, and how I felt that was not being done in this thread. I was addressing the whole conversation as a whole and I guess you thought I was only talking to you alone.
In my first comment I was talking about "how" we should come together in love to listen to each other and find out why we feel how we feel, and reach truth together in love, then you came to correct me. If you didn't agree with me, that we should come together in love instead of questioning each others faith (again like was done in comment 22, not by you), then you must agree with the opposite, that's why I asked you what I did. You corrected me on my first comment like I was saying "sacrifice the truth for agreement", when that was never my point at all in any way. So either you misunderstood my first comment and corrected me for no reason, or you disagree with me that coming together in love and respect is by FAR the better way to share truth. One or the other, so either you've agreed with me the whole time and just misunderstood, or I would like you to tell me exactly what I said you feel was wrong and tell me why. You are the one that has been vague.
"This needs to be addressed because this particular poster is suggesting that tribulation will only come in Jerusalem on the Jewish people and no one else will be effected",
yet that was never my point, I NEVER said anything about that, I also NEVER said anything about comprimising truth, as you seem to be suggesting in your second comment when you said
"We're in THE BODY if GOD opened the eyes and ears of our heart to THE GOSPEL
But we were called to witness to THE TRUTH
And to say that there is no tribulation. That this has already occurred, that Satan is bound up...that tribulation is a local event in jerusalem which will only come upon the Jews, is not truth
its no different than preaching "peace, peace"
When "peace, peace" is only for those who have fled to THE REFUGE
Those outside are outside and don't even know it".
Guess what I agree and never said anything to suggest otherwise, if you think I did then please point it out.
I was addressing what I saw in the comment section as a whole, I was making a point about how I feel we as Christians are called to discuss these things, and how I felt that was not being done in this thread. I was addressing the whole conversation as a whole and I guess you thought I was only talking to you alone.
In my first comment I was talking about "how" we should come together in love to listen to each other and find out why we feel how we feel, and reach truth together in love, then you came to correct me. If you didn't agree with me, that we should come together in love instead of questioning each others faith (again like was done in comment 22, not by you), then you must agree with the opposite, that's why I asked you what I did. You corrected me on my first comment like I was saying "sacrifice the truth for agreement", when that was never my point at all in any way. So either you misunderstood my first comment and corrected me for no reason, or you disagree with me that coming together in love and respect is by FAR the better way to share truth. One or the other, so either you've agreed with me the whole time and just misunderstood, or I would like you to tell me exactly what I said you feel was wrong and tell me why. You are the one that has been vague.
Then apparently you haven't read Valiants posts to understand that this is what he said and I was telling you how can we overlook this
Please if you're going to post shouldn't you be following the thread and the back and forth posts before you voice your concerns
because your concerns are one sided. You seem to be looking at me and not folllowing the discussion
i have only responded with scriptures which contradict this posters ideas
I have not challenged his faith if it is fsothnin CHRIST then his faith is sufficient
what I have challenged is his idea that the resurrection has already occurred and tribulation will be a local event and will only effect the jews
i don't agree with him
Hes the one who said this
i would have thought you already knew that if you had followed the conversation you should have
Please if you're going to post shouldn't you be following the thread and the back and forth posts before you voice your concerns
because your concerns are one sided. You seem to be looking at me and not folllowing the discussion
i have only responded with scriptures which contradict this posters ideas
I have not challenged his faith if it is fsothnin CHRIST then his faith is sufficient
what I have challenged is his idea that the resurrection has already occurred and tribulation will be a local event and will only effect the jews
i don't agree with him
Hes the one who said this
i would have thought you already knew that if you had followed the conversation you should have
Paul had a part in this "spiritual resurrection" (this deposit) (this rebirth) (this being led by His SPIRIT) and Paul was instructing Timothy who also had a part in this "spiritual resurrection" (this deposit) (this rebirth) (this being led by His SPIRIT) not to listen to those who were saying the resurrection had already hapoened
Why was Paul saying this if it has already happened?
2 Timothy 2:18
Why was Paul saying this if it has already happened?
2 Timothy 2:18
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If Satan were bound then there would be no need to preach the Gospel for the knowledge of the LORD should have covered the earth as the waters of the seas and there would be no need, by HIS SPIRIT to witness to HIS RESURRECTION so that men might believe and be gathered up and outbof the kingdom of darkness and brought into the KINGDOM of LIGHT in HIS SON
Because there wouldn't be a kingdom of darkness
Because there wouldn't be a kingdom of darkness
I said that the spiritual resurrection of saints HAD occurred (Eph 2.5-6; Col 3.1). It is clearly stated.(the first resurrection)
I said that the physical resurrection (John 5.28-29) had NOT occurred as it occurs at Christ's coming.
I stated that 'the great tribulation' of Matt 24 was on the Jews, and is still going on. It is not a local event, but worldwide.
The great 'tribulation' of Rev 7 is on the church and has continued through the centuries.
The church will suffer tribulation regularly as it is the lot of the church
I said that the physical resurrection (John 5.28-29) had NOT occurred as it occurs at Christ's coming.
I stated that 'the great tribulation' of Matt 24 was on the Jews, and is still going on. It is not a local event, but worldwide.
The great 'tribulation' of Rev 7 is on the church and has continued through the centuries.
The church will suffer tribulation regularly as it is the lot of the church
But Jesus Himself had said that He had bound Satan. I believe Him rather than you
Mark 3,27 and parallels
Mark 3,27 and parallels
now is judgement upon the world?
Is that what you are referring to?
did CHRIST also say that HE prayed not for the world but only those whom the FATHER had given HIM out of the world
thar they are not of the world even as HE is bit of the world
Not that they should be taken out of the world, but that they should be kept from the "evil one"
who is the "evil one"
and HIS prayer to His disciples, is that no longer necessary that we pray
and that HE did not pray only for HIS first disciples but for all those who would believe in HIM by their word?
Why did HE send HIS disciples out as HIS WITNESSES
And why does the Holy Spirit (while HE is in the world) convict the world of sin if all have been transferred into THE KINGDOM of LIGHT and out from darkness?
Have all been born again?
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CHRIST said, I will build MY CHURCH, and the gates of hell shall not prevail
Would you say that THE LORD has completed the work of building and calling into HIS BODY HIS OWN?
When they are called in, he'll has no power over them
but not all are in
If satan were bound up and there were no chance that any could go to that other place, there would be no need to point men to THE DOOR (CHRIST) unto the KINGDOM of GOD
Would you say that THE LORD has completed the work of building and calling into HIS BODY HIS OWN?
When they are called in, he'll has no power over them
but not all are in
If satan were bound up and there were no chance that any could go to that other place, there would be no need to point men to THE DOOR (CHRIST) unto the KINGDOM of GOD
while HE is in the world, HE convicts the world of sin
when HE is taken out of the way, evil will run rampant
what you are suggesting are the labor pains because HE holds things back so that we are never totally destroyed
When HE is no longer holding things back, then will the man of sin be revealed
and how sir?
by whose spirit
who gives his power to the beast sir?
And how did he do so since he has already been bound and the 1000 year reign has already occurred?
when HE is taken out of the way, evil will run rampant
what you are suggesting are the labor pains because HE holds things back so that we are never totally destroyed
When HE is no longer holding things back, then will the man of sin be revealed
and how sir?
by whose spirit
who gives his power to the beast sir?
And how did he do so since he has already been bound and the 1000 year reign has already occurred?
Satan was specifically (as the strong man) bound by Jesus in Matt 12.29; Luke 11.22 and parallels. He was seen by Jesus to fall from Heaven in Luk 10.18. He was cast out in John 12.31 referring to the cross (Col 2.15). How then can you say that he was neither bound nor cast out?
That must be taken in the light of the statements above.
well it could be translated 'kept from evil'
it does not say he is directly acting. We pray to be kept from his minions. Of do you believe he is omnipresent?
what did He pray?
to be His witnesses LOL
You seem to have the strange idea that Satan operates on his own. His power is restricted and he is restrained, but he has vast powers under is control.
see also Eph 6.10 ff
nope
That must be taken in the light of the statements above.
well it could be translated 'kept from evil'
it does not say he is directly acting. We pray to be kept from his minions. Of do you believe he is omnipresent?
what did He pray?
to be His witnesses LOL
You seem to have the strange idea that Satan operates on his own. His power is restricted and he is restrained, but he has vast powers under is control.
see also Eph 6.10 ff
nope