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wanderer6059

wanderer6059

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I Believe;

KJV is not the only bible... no bible is perfect, but multiple translation are best. The infallibility of the word of God, its all true. The Holly Spirit is active today, divine healing, miracles and wonders. and it is available to all people.I believe in the dispensation of time, we are saved by grace through faith and faith without works is dead, you can lose your salvation(its very hard to), and a lot more...

now my question is how much does all that matter?

is it more important than simple loving God, loving people? and following out the great commission of saving the lost?

how important are half of these things that divide us?
 
trofimus

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Actually, not much.

This never ending pursue for every detail was produced by Roman catholicism (scholastics) and adopted by protestantism.

In the early church and in eastern church, only general concepts were/are binding to believers. While in western/central Europe you could get killed or tortured for not believing precisely as the majority.
 
Dino246

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I don't necessarily agree with all the points you mention, but I agree with the sentiment behind your summary question. :)
 
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wanderer6059 said:
I Believe;

KJV is not the only bible... no bible is perfect, but multiple translation are best. The infallibility of the word of God, its all true. The Holly Spirit is active today, divine healing, miracles and wonders. and it is available to all people.I believe in the dispensation of time, we are saved by grace through faith and faith without works is dead, you can lose your salvation(its very hard to), and a lot more...

now my question is how much does all that matter?

is it more important than simple loving God, loving people? and following out the great commission of saving the lost?

how important are half of these things that divide us?
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If the Bible cannot be trusted in it's entirety, then why trust any of it? Does it not say that it's the word of truth? How can we convince the world to follow the Savior of the Bible that we ourselves don't even trust to be true?
 
Dino246

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John146 said:
If the Bible cannot be trusted in it's entirety, then why trust any of it? Does it not say that it's the word of truth? How can we convince the world to follow the Savior of the Bible that we ourselves don't even trust to be true?
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Missed the point much?
 
wanderer6059

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John146 said:
If the Bible cannot be trusted in it's entirety, then why trust any of it? Does it not say that it's the word of truth? How can we convince the world to follow the Savior of the Bible that we ourselves don't even trust to be true?
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the bible is true 100% but converting Greek to English is not as simple as people think lol
 
trofimus

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John146 said:
If the Bible cannot be trusted in it's entirety, then why trust any of it? Does it not say that it's the word of truth? How can we convince the world to follow the Savior of the Bible that we ourselves don't even trust to be true?
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There is no "Savior of the Bible".

There is only "Bible about our Savior".
 
wanderer6059

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trofimus said:
Actually, not much.

This never ending pursue for every detail was produced by Roman catholicism (scholastics) and adopted by protestantism.

In the early church and in eastern church, only general concepts were/are binding to believers. While in western/central Europe you could get killed or tortured for not believing precisely as the majority.
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inst that difference in western and eastern thinking crazy...
 
HeRoseFromTheDead

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Anyone who has studied the matter knows that the bible is not, depending on how you use the word, infallible. It's a miracle that we have a bible in such good a shape as it is.
 
wanderer6059

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Anyone who has studied the matter knows that the bible is not, depending on how you use the word, infallible. It's a miracle that we have a bible in such good a shape as it is.
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well yeah book and paper ofcourse, but with the spirit of God and discernment it is infallible.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Anyone who has studied the matter knows that the bible is not, depending on how you use the word, infallible. It's a miracle that we have a bible in such good a shape as it is.
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"Hey world, you can't trust our Bible to be all true, but you can trust the parts that we tell you are true. You know, the parts about our Savior Jesus Christ. That part you can trust."

Do you know how absurd this sounds to the world?
 
Dino246

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John146 said:
"Hey world, you can't trust our Bible to be all true, but you can trust the parts that we tell you are true. You know, the parts about our Savior Jesus Christ. That part you can trust."

Do you know how absurd this sounds to the world?
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Fallacy: Straw man argument.
 
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wanderer6059 said:
I Believe;

KJV is not the only bible... no bible is perfect, but multiple translation are best. The infallibility of the word of God, its all true. The Holly Spirit is active today, divine healing, miracles and wonders. and it is available to all people.I believe in the dispensation of time, we are saved by grace through faith and faith without works is dead, you can lose your salvation(its very hard to), and a lot more...

now my question is how much does all that matter?

is it more important than simple loving God, loving people? and following out the great commission of saving the lost?

how important are half of these things that divide us?
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To me, it's like this.

"Husbands, love your wife, as Christ loves the church." AND, "Wives, submit to your husbands." Good advice to give to spouses, right?

Yeah, one little question. Who is your spouse?

If we don't know who our spouse is, how do we even start to do what we're supposed to do for that spouse?

Empire penguins can pick out their baby out of a huge nursery of identical babies. Too many people think they are empire penguins, God is their baby, and pick any ole baby they feel like today.

I see most of those statements of belief as a statement of "this is what I believe," instead of looking for the right baby. The honus seems to be, "I've got it right, so the rest doesn't matter." And most of what is found on BDF is exactly that -- people choosing their handy-dandy baby and then arguing with others for daring to choose another. (Like John 145 has done, yet again on this thread.) The focus is on the chooser -- the person. Not on the Lord.
 
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John146 said:
If the Bible cannot be trusted in it's entirety, then why trust any of it? Does it not say that it's the word of truth? How can we convince the world to follow the Savior of the Bible that we ourselves don't even trust to be true?
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The exact problem you have, and I have no idea how you deal with it. After all, seen any hares that chew their cud and have hooves?

[h=1]Leviticus 11:6 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.[/FONT]

And yet, you still think KJV is God. Go figure. :rolleyes:
 
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The exact problem you have, and I have no idea how you deal with it. After all, seen any hares that chew their cud and have hooves?

Leviticus 11:6 King James Version (KJV)

6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

And yet, you still think KJV is God. Go figure. :rolleyes:
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Are you looking at things the way God sees and classifies them? Or the way modernizers define the words? Study to shew thyself approved unto God. The answer is in the text to those who are seeking truth.

And way to go with the whole KJV is God. When all else fails, cast insults.
 
wanderer6059

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John146 said:
Are you looking at things the way God sees and classifies them? Or the way modernizers define the words? Study to shew thyself approved unto God. The answer is in the text to those who are seeking truth.

And way to go with the whole KJV is God. When all else fails, cast insults.
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how many different usages for the word there, their, they're ?
 
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John146 said:
Are you looking at things the way God sees and classifies them? Or the way modernizers define the words? Study to shew thyself approved unto God. The answer is in the text to those who are seeking truth.

And way to go with the whole KJV is God. When all else fails, cast insults.
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Interesting verse that is, I agree with you the statement that the hare chews its cud should not be taken in the strict scientific classification. Moses listed things not as a comparative anatomist, but as things appeared to the observer. indeed the rabbit chews a long time and looks like a cow chewing, but the rabbit doesn't regurgitate its food like the cow nor were acient people biologists and knew the working anomy of animals. people who like doing stuff like that don't really know they only use something for a platform to ridicule, I've seen that before indeed.
 
trofimus

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John146 said:
"Hey world, you can't trust our Bible to be all true, but you can trust the parts that we tell you are true. You know, the parts about our Savior Jesus Christ. That part you can trust."

Do you know how absurd this sounds to the world?
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Just a note: what does or does not sound absurd to the world is quite irrelevant.

I like your missionary zeal, but gospel is about God and His Son, not about the KJV.
 
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