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2ndTimothyGroup

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I'm a drummer, though I haven't played in quite a few years. But when I pick up those sticks again, my mind knows exactly what the sound should be and it knows exactly what my body should be doing so as to be polyrhythmic and musical. But I know from experience that my body won't do what my mind expects of it, so I might say something like, "Come on hands and feet . . . you know what to do."

When my mind spoke to my human flesh, it was still only and just me, but the two separate elements of me are totally different in Nature and Purpose.
 

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I'm a drummer, though I haven't played in quite a few years. But when I pick up those sticks again, my mind knows exactly what the sound should be and it knows exactly what my body should be doing so as to be polyrhythmic and musical. But I know from experience that my body won't do what my mind expects of it, so I might say something like, "Come on hands and feet . . . you know what to do."

When my mind spoke to my human flesh, it was still only and just me, but the two separate elements of me are totally different in Nature and Purpose.
He was praying to the Father. Remember always and keep in faith when Moses was told by God, "I will be What I will be." No man understands the mystery of this now, but all will when it is His time. Until then believe in faith and your sould will be at rest on the matter.
 
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"A higher plane," hehe
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When Jesus prayed to the Father, was He praying to Himself?
In the beginning, when it was just God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, who did God love if God is love?

The answer is the same. The Godhead shares love, communion, and communication with Himself. Yes, Jesus the God-Man was praying to Himself, but also not.

Don't think about it too much, lol.
 
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When Jesus prayed to the Father, was He praying to Himself?
The Father loves the Son, the Son glorifies the Father, and the Spirit points to the Son, that's the relationship within the Trinity. One thing you should know is that "son of this" or "son of that" was actually a common expression in that culture, it doesn't necessarily mean biological offspring of someone, but more like the perfect embodiment, avatar or personification of a particular attribute. When Judas was described as "son of perdition", John and James as "sons of thunder", Pharisees and scribes as "your father the devil", and Jesus Himself as both "Son of Man" and "Son of God", this expression was applied. In order to save mankind, God himself must become a man; and to atone for sin, the Son of Man must be crucified as sin. When Jesus prayed in the garden, He actually explored other alternatives, but there was none, He must suffer and die as the passover lamb, that was the only solution and only conclusion. Nonetheless, He submitted to the Father, for "not my will, but yours."
 
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I'm a drummer, though I haven't played in quite a few years. But when I pick up those sticks again, my mind knows exactly what the sound should be and it knows exactly what my body should be doing so as to be polyrhythmic and musical. But I know from experience that my body won't do what my mind expects of it, so I might say something like, "Come on hands and feet . . . you know what to do."

When my mind spoke to my human flesh, it was still only and just me, but the two separate elements of me are totally different in Nature and Purpose.
It is not the same thing. God is Almighty and can do anything He wills. Lower beings are the ones that pray to Him because He is Supreme.

John 17: 3 " And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee, the ONLY TRUE GOD , and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent."
How important is it to understand the Trinity? To those that claim that the Trinity is a mystery beyond our understanding, from a brother who loves you, you had better do a better job of investigating before giving up and declaring " It's a mystery." Knowing the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is the basis for understanding Scripture. Jesus is the Christ. He is our Lord, our God, and our Savior, but the Father is the One God of all ( including Jesus).
Eph 1: 3 Blessed be the GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ,
It is the Father who is the God of Jesus and who blesses us with spiritual blessings in Christ. We are in Christ when we become part of Christ's body. This happens when we receive the Father's Spirit which was given to Jesus when Jesus was glorified.
 
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That's true. I'm pretty sure God is not sitting on a throne in front of a drum set. I'm sorry. I thought you were asking a sincere question.
My purpose was and is sincere. The question was put out there so that I can get differing imput and I thank you for yours. It was also put out there so that people can think about it.
 

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When Jesus prayed to the Father, was He praying to Himself?
No. He said and did everything the Father desired Him to say and do, and it was all said
and done for our benefit.
Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Passage as the ones below certainly make it an interesting conversation:

Isaiah 7:14 NLT - "All right then, the Lord himself will give you the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means 'God is with us')."

Matthew 1:23 KJV - "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
 

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When Jesus prayed to the Father, was He praying to Himself?
No when Jesus prayed to the Father, He wasn't praying to Himself. The nature of a Trinitarian God is a mystery to us mortals and beyond our understanding But, in the Nature of the Trinity Most Christians believe there is only one God, who is experienced as three persons, also known as the Trinity. These three persons are the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

In fact Jesus' Will was not the same as the Father's will. Proof of that. In the Garden of Gethsemane, when Jesus began His passion, Jesus fell on His hands and knees and begged the Father to take this cup away from Me. But Jesus, always obedient, immediately added, "Thy will be done and not Mine."
 

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But . . . who Circumcises the hearts of humans? The Father? The Son? The Holy Spirit?

Deuteronomy 30:6 KJV - "And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live."

Colossians 2:11 NLT - "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature."

Romans 2:29 NLT - "No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by God's Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people."

Tis a wonderful idea to ponder. :)
 

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When Jesus prayed to the Father, was He praying to Himself?
No. But He was talking to an Extension of his eternal essence. Prayer is, simply, talking to God.
It's easier to apprehend when you realize that "God" is a title, not a name. It's similar to the last name.
 

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The Jews told us why Jesus had to die, for He equated Himself to, and as God. Jesus never denied such a thing, nor did He ever reject the worship He received.

John 10:33 KJV - "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."

And regarding worship, Jesus said:

Luke 4:8 KJV - "And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."
 
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The Father loves the Son, the Son glorifies the Father, and the Spirit points to the Son, that's the relationship within the Trinity. One thing you should know is that "son of this" or "son of that" was actually a common expression in that culture, it doesn't necessarily mean biological offspring of someone, but more like the perfect embodiment, avatar or personification of a particular attribute. When Judas was described as "son of perdition", John and James as "sons of thunder", Pharisees and scribes as "your father the devil", and Jesus Himself as both "Son of Man" and "Son of God", this expression was applied. In order to save mankind, God himself must become a man; and to atone for sin, the Son of Man must be crucified as sin. When Jesus prayed in the garden, He actually explored other alternatives, but there was none, He must suffer and die as the passover lamb, that was the only solution and only conclusion. Nonetheless, He submitted to the Father, for "not my will, but yours."
Jesus is literally the son of God. Mary became pregnant through the Holy Spirit. Not by man’s seed but by the Holy Spirit. Jesus is literally both the son of Man and son of God he can rightly claim this title through the virgin birth!
 

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Paul referred to Jesus as the Eternal God. Pretty tough to get around that one.

Romans 9:5 NKJV - ". . . of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen."
 
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Jesus is literally the son of God. Mary became pregnant through the Holy Spirit. Not by man’s seed but by the Holy Spirit. Jesus is literally both the son of Man and son of God he can rightly claim this title through the virgin birth!
I prefer "incarnate" of God to avoid confusions.
 

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When Jesus prayed to the Father, was He praying to Himself?
Years ago I asked God how we are made, and the reply I got back was, "let us make man in our image, after our likeness",.
So the next logical question I asked, with the understanding that it would relate to how we are made was, 'how are you made?' Speaking to God.
I didn't get a direct answer but my thoughts immediately went to God being a triune being. So I surmised that we, like God, are a triune being as well.
And Jesus praying or talking to the father is not the same as you talking to yourself. However, as God is three beings in one, there are three living beings in each of us, making us one being or person as well. With each being or entity having a mind, thoughts, intentions, purposes, and a will of its own, even as Jesus had, and still has a mind, thoughts, intentions, purposes, and a will of his own, separate from the Father's.
God also told me we are made like the temple written in the Bible, for we are the Temple of the holy Ghost.
So I started looking at how the temple was made as well.
The temple had an outer Court, and intercourt, the holy place, and the most holy place or holiest of all.
And like a temple we have an outer body, and an inner body, and within that inner body there is another building or being divided into two part, with a veil dividing the two parts within that one spirit being, or man. One part you had when you were born, and the other part came into being when you were born again, which has the new man in it. The other part has the old man in it.
Notice how the Bible calls these Spirit beings, which are a part of you, men. They think, hear, see, and speak, even as you do.
Then the Bible talks about the hidden man, the heart. 1 Peter 3:4
The heart would be like the inner Court of the Temple, while the outer Court would be the physical or natural body.
But just like your spirit man is a man, so also is the heart, a man.
Paul said, I pray your whole Spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless,.. etc.
And also in Hebrews it is written, "..., Piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and Spirit, and of the joints in Marrow and it is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. "
To put it simply, we are three beings living in one body making up one person.
It's interesting to note, how the soul experiences what the physical body goes through on Earth, until that body dies, then when it is in the spirit world, it experiences what the spirit body goes through.
So the soul is basically you, or rather, the conscious you. It is like the God the Father.
Now what happens when you are asleep, no longer conscious, or when you say or do things subconsciously, or without thought? Have you ever said or thought to yourself, why did I ever say or do those things, as though you had no control over what you said or did? Who or what caused you to react without thought to a situation or a person? The Bible shows that it was the hidden man, or rather the heart of man that caused the person to say or do that thing without thought.
That hidden man, what the Bible refers to as the heart of man, is like the hidden place of God, which would be Jesus.
And by the way, if you concentrate and listen, you can actually hear your heart speak to you. You can even quote the thought that comes to your mind, which is actually a voice you are hearing.
And the spirit man is basically like the Spirit of God, and within that man, there are varying spirit beings with specific abilities, that control all your abilities and inabilities, your likes and dislikes, what you think and don't think, and so on.
For example, a prophet prophesies by the spirit that is in him or her, and without said spirit being, they would not be able to prophesy, because that spirit gave them that ability to do so.
That spirit would be within your new man which would be in your spirit man. Basically it is a spirit man within a spirit man.
If you've ever had a knowing or premonition, it was a spirit that revealed it to you.
So if you look at how we are made and operate, it's not only comprehendible to understand how God can be three persons in one being, if I can put it that way, but it is very easy to not only comprehend, but both see and understand how God can be three yet one God.
 

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Paul referred to Jesus as the Eternal God. Pretty tough to get around that one.

Romans 9:5 NKJV - ". . . of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen."
There are, in fact, 9 explicit NT references to Jesus as God. This is one of them.