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TheLearner

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Relax, champ. I'm just offering ideas.

The amount of Keyboard Warriors, here, is just staggering.

Now, do you ever talk to your body, saying something like, "Come on hands! Do what you're supposed to do!" Do you ever reference your body as you talk to others? When they ask, "How are you doing?" and you respond with, "Well, not so good. I've got a terrible headache."

When you're really happy, and someone asks, "How are you today?" Do you ever reply in reference to your mood and say, "I'm doing great! I feel so happy today!" Your mood is not your body.

So which one are you? Are you body, spirit, or mind? Right . . . you are all three, yet all three are totally, one hundred percent distinct from each other.

Like I said, I'm just offering ideas.
I lose the arguments to myself often
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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I lose the arguments to myself often
Me too. The pain of my body crushes my sense of security, especially as we face difficult times here in America. Biden has predicted food shortages in this country, and that means that those who cannot defend themselves will die first. With the amount of pain that my body screams out to me each day, my heart is broken. Yet . . . my mind, body, and Spirit are still just one . . . me. All three are completely different . . . totally distinct from the other, yet they are me. One.

These facts are not an accident. The fact that we can look at ourselves as separate persons, though just one, is God speaking to us about His Nature.
 

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“For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:10-11, 14-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

our God came to save us from sin and death !!

Hebrews 2:10-11
Thank you for the inspiration :)
 
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interested to know your thoughts about the reconciliation of these two facts:

  • The Son of Man sits at the right hand of the Father ((Luke 22:69))
  • the throne of God is the throne of the Lamb ((Revelation 22:3))
Jesus, the Father, and We are One. John 17: 21 That they may be one, as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent Me.





A. The largest rectangle represents:
1. The Family of God the Father in heaven
2. The Holy Spirit of the Father
3. The Father of Christ
4. God almighty
5. God of all ( including Jesus Christ)
6. Those that are Baptized in the Father's name
7. Supreme Ruler
8. Lord of all

B. The second largest rectangle represents:
1. The first and only creation of the Father
2. The Son
3. The Christ
4. Jesus
5. The Body of Christ
6. The Spirit of Christ
7. Our Lord
8. Our Savior
9. Our God
10. The Right Hand of the Father
11. Jehovah
12. Those Baptized in the Son's name
13. The Holy One of Israel
14. The tabernacle of God
15. The kingdom of the Son
16. The Word


C. The smallest rectangle represents:
1. The Church of Christ
2. The Bride of Christ
3. The spirits of those humans who in their lifetime repented of their
sins, trusted and believed in God's plan for their salvation.
4. The elect
5. Those chosen
6. The saints
7. Those baptized in the Name of the Father
8. Those baptized in the Name of the Son
9. Those that are filled with the Spirit of the Father and Son
10. Those that obey the Spirit of the Law and are filled with God-
given love to accomplish this obedience
11. Those who worship both Father and Son in Spirit and in Truth


A1.,A6. Eph 3: 14-15 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named.
A2. Eph 1: 17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him,
THe Father is not only the Father and God of Jesus Christ, but is the Father or source of His Holy Spirit which He indwells both spirits and humans to communicate , empower, enlighten, and perform His will. When someone is glorified, he is filled with the Father's Holy Spirit.
A3. Eph 1: 2-3 Grace be to you, and peace, from God, our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ.
John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

A4. Eph 1: 19-21 And what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power, Which He wrought in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead, and set Him at His own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in that which is to come;
It was the mighty power of the Father that raised Christ from the dead and set Him in His position of Honor in Heaven and Earth.
John 10: 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father
John 12: 49-50 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father, who sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that His commandment is life everlasting; whatsoever I speak, therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
The Father through His Holy Spirit communicates through Christ to the point that it is actually the Father speaking through Jesus.
Isaiah 45: 11-12 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and His Maker: Ask me of things to come concerning my sons; and concerning the work of my hands, command ye me. I have made the earth, and created man upon it; I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. The Lord, the Holy One of Israel, is the Christ, and His Maker is the Father.

A5. 1 Cor 15 : 27-28 For He hath put all things under His feet. But when He saith all things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted who did put all things under Him.
The Father put all things under Jesus' feet except Himself. Even Jesus is subject unto Him because the Father's Spirit resides in Jesus and in us.

A7., A8. Deut 10: 17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and awesome , who regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward.
John 10: 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father
The Father issues commands and the Son obeys. Why is it so difficult to understand the chain of command?
 
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Jesus, the Father, and We are One. John 17: 21 That they may be one, as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent Me.





A. The largest rectangle represents:
1. The Family of God the Father in heaven
2. The Holy Spirit of the Father
3. The Father of Christ
4. God almighty
5. God of all ( including Jesus Christ)
6. Those that are Baptized in the Father's name
7. Supreme Ruler
8. Lord of all

B. The second largest rectangle represents:
1. The first and only creation of the Father
2. The Son
3. The Christ
4. Jesus
5. The Body of Christ
6. The Spirit of Christ
7. Our Lord
8. Our Savior
9. Our God
10. The Right Hand of the Father
11. Jehovah
12. Those Baptized in the Son's name
13. The Holy One of Israel
14. The tabernacle of God
15. The kingdom of the Son
16. The Word


C. The smallest rectangle represents:
1. The Church of Christ
2. The Bride of Christ
3. The spirits of those humans who in their lifetime repented of their
sins, trusted and believed in God's plan for their salvation.
4. The elect
5. Those chosen
6. The saints
7. Those baptized in the Name of the Father
8. Those baptized in the Name of the Son
9. Those that are filled with the Spirit of the Father and Son
10. Those that obey the Spirit of the Law and are filled with God-
given love to accomplish this obedience
11. Those who worship both Father and Son in Spirit and in Truth


A1.,A6. Eph 3: 14-15 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named.
A2. Eph 1: 17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him,
THe Father is not only the Father and God of Jesus Christ, but is the Father or source of His Holy Spirit which He indwells both spirits and humans to communicate , empower, enlighten, and perform His will. When someone is glorified, he is filled with the Father's Holy Spirit.
A3. Eph 1: 2-3 Grace be to you, and peace, from God, our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ.
John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

A4. Eph 1: 19-21 And what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power, Which He wrought in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead, and set Him at His own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in that which is to come;
It was the mighty power of the Father that raised Christ from the dead and set Him in His position of Honor in Heaven and Earth.
John 10: 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father
John 12: 49-50 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father, who sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that His commandment is life everlasting; whatsoever I speak, therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
The Father through His Holy Spirit communicates through Christ to the point that it is actually the Father speaking through Jesus.
Isaiah 45: 11-12 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and His Maker: Ask me of things to come concerning my sons; and concerning the work of my hands, command ye me. I have made the earth, and created man upon it; I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. The Lord, the Holy One of Israel, is the Christ, and His Maker is the Father.

A5. 1 Cor 15 : 27-28 For He hath put all things under His feet. But when He saith all things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted who did put all things under Him.
The Father put all things under Jesus' feet except Himself. Even Jesus is subject unto Him because the Father's Spirit resides in Jesus and in us.

A7., A8. Deut 10: 17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and awesome , who regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward.
John 10: 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father
The Father issues commands and the Son obeys. Why is it so difficult to understand the chain of command?
B1. Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as He by inheritance obtained a more excellant name than they. Isaiah 43: 10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen, that ye may know and believe, and understand that I am He; before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. God the Father existed in Spirit before anything was formed. Christ is the first and only being formed by the Father. That is another reason He is referred to as the Son of God. Christ is the tool that the Father uses to perpetrate His will. In 1 Cor 15: 27-28 the Father puts all things under Christ's feet since all things were created by the Father through Christ. That makes Christ Lord of all creation. As a reward for His perfection and obedience to the point of becoming a human and going through suffering and death, the Father gives Him the title of a God and a kingdom made up of born again believers. No God formed before and no God will be formed after. Christ is our Lord, our Savior, and our God, but the Father is the God of all ( including Christ). Isaiah 44: 1 explains that the Lord is referring to Jacob as His servant and Israel as His chosen.
Heb1: 8 But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
Psalm 45: 6-7 Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; the scepter of thy kingdom is a right scepter. Thou lovest righteousness and hatest wickedness; therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.
THe beginning starts when the Spirit of the Father forms Christ. The Father has always existed and has no beginning.
John 1: 1-3 In the beginnng was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made.

B2. Matt 3: 17 And, lo, a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

B3., B4. Matt 16: 15-16 He saith unto them, But who say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

B5,6,7,8,9 Eph 1: 22-23 And hath put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is His body, the fullness of Him that filleth all in all.
Through time Christ's body is being filled with the spirits of the saints by the Father who determines when fullness is achieved.
Matt 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There are some standing here, who shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in His kingdom.
The Son has a kingdom and therefore sits on a throne.
Rom 14: 17 For the kingdom of God is not food and drink, but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.

B11 Exodus 6: 2-3 And God spoke unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord; And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
Christ, before He became Jesus, was very active in Old Testament times and is very active today. He is the God of the Old Testament perpetrating the Father's will then, now, and in the Future.
In Rev 22: 3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him.
For it to mean one throne for the Father and the Lamb, it would have read but the throne of God and the Lamb. The scripture in Rev 22: 3 means but the throne of God and the throne of the Lamb.
What you have is a kingdom of the Son within the kingdom of the Father and therefore two thrones.

I left out A1. Eph 4: 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
 

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Jesus, the Father, and We are One. John 17: 21 That they may be one, as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent Me.





A. The largest rectangle represents:
1. The Family of God the Father in heaven
2. The Holy Spirit of the Father
3. The Father of Christ
4. God almighty
5. God of all ( including Jesus Christ)
6. Those that are Baptized in the Father's name
7. Supreme Ruler
8. Lord of all

B. The second largest rectangle represents:
1. The first and only creation of the Father
2. The Son
3. The Christ
4. Jesus
5. The Body of Christ
6. The Spirit of Christ
7. Our Lord
8. Our Savior
9. Our God
10. The Right Hand of the Father
11. Jehovah
12. Those Baptized in the Son's name
13. The Holy One of Israel
14. The tabernacle of God
15. The kingdom of the Son
16. The Word


C. The smallest rectangle represents:
1. The Church of Christ
2. The Bride of Christ
3. The spirits of those humans who in their lifetime repented of their
sins, trusted and believed in God's plan for their salvation.
4. The elect
5. Those chosen
6. The saints
7. Those baptized in the Name of the Father
8. Those baptized in the Name of the Son
9. Those that are filled with the Spirit of the Father and Son
10. Those that obey the Spirit of the Law and are filled with God-
given love to accomplish this obedience
11. Those who worship both Father and Son in Spirit and in Truth


A1.,A6. Eph 3: 14-15 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named.
A2. Eph 1: 17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him,
THe Father is not only the Father and God of Jesus Christ, but is the Father or source of His Holy Spirit which He indwells both spirits and humans to communicate , empower, enlighten, and perform His will. When someone is glorified, he is filled with the Father's Holy Spirit.
A3. Eph 1: 2-3 Grace be to you, and peace, from God, our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ.
John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

A4. Eph 1: 19-21 And what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power, Which He wrought in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead, and set Him at His own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in that which is to come;
It was the mighty power of the Father that raised Christ from the dead and set Him in His position of Honor in Heaven and Earth.
John 10: 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father
John 12: 49-50 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father, who sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that His commandment is life everlasting; whatsoever I speak, therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
The Father through His Holy Spirit communicates through Christ to the point that it is actually the Father speaking through Jesus.
Isaiah 45: 11-12 Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and His Maker: Ask me of things to come concerning my sons; and concerning the work of my hands, command ye me. I have made the earth, and created man upon it; I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. The Lord, the Holy One of Israel, is the Christ, and His Maker is the Father.

A5. 1 Cor 15 : 27-28 For He hath put all things under His feet. But when He saith all things are put under Him, it is manifest that He is excepted who did put all things under Him.
The Father put all things under Jesus' feet except Himself. Even Jesus is subject unto Him because the Father's Spirit resides in Jesus and in us.

A7., A8. Deut 10: 17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and awesome , who regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward.
John 10: 18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father
The Father issues commands and the Son obeys. Why is it so difficult to understand the chain of command?
John 17:21
that they all may be one, as You, Father, [are] in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

This gives a set theoretical description. Christ is in the Father and the Father is in Christ. This proves equality.

You only drew the Son in the Father with your rectangles, not the Father in the Son. You are showing the Father not contained in the Son, but the reality is that 'in Him all the fullness of the godhead dwells'

IOW rectangle A = rectangle B.
 

Magenta

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I'd like to have a copy of all of these pieces of art that you've created . . . and turn them into a screensaver. :)
You are free to do so :) Simply right click on them to save to your hard drive and
then do whatever is required. If you would like a larger file I can provide that, also.
I do resize them to 900 x 600 pixels from design size of 3600 x 2400 pixels, but when
I upload them to my image host I size them down further to 800 pixels. 900 may be
better for a screen saver? Not sure ;) Let me know if it is sharp to use as is :)


The current final version of that Scripture panel is:


Hebrews 2:17
:)
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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You are free to do so :) Simply right click on them to save to your hard drive and
then do whatever is required. If you would like a larger file I can provide that, also.
I do resize them to 900 x 600 pixels from design size of 3600 x 2400 pixels, but when
I upload them to my image host I size them down further to 800 pixels. 900 may be
better for a screen saver? Not sure ;) Let me know if it is sharp to use as is :)


The current final version of that Scripture panel is:


Hebrews 2:17
:)
Yes, the originals are better, for when they are used as screensavers, they are blown up to fill the entire screen and they lose their sharpness, like you stated. You're amazing. :)
 

Magenta

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Yes, the originals are better, for when they are used as screensavers, they are blown up
to fill the entire screen and they lose their sharpness, like you stated. You're amazing. :)
I could PM the 900 x 600 pixel file to you, or if you want
it larger? What is your screen size? I could size it to that :D


Ha ha I used to joke with the clients when they would ask for one of
their images to be blown up. "We are not licensed to handle explosives." :LOL:


Do please excuse my sense of humor :giggle:
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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I could PM the 900 x 600 pixel file to you, or if you want
it larger? What is your screen size? I could size it to that :D


Ha ha I used to joke with the clients when they would ask for one of
their images to be blown up. "We are not licensed to handle explosives." :LOL:


Do please excuse my sense of humor :giggle:
I don't know if you'd feel comfortable, and I would understand if you wouldn't, but it might be best for me to send a thumb drive and have you upload them all to the drive in their original format. :)
 

Magenta

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I don't know if you'd feel comfortable, and I would understand if you wouldn't, but it might be best for me to send a thumb drive and have you upload them all to the drive in their original format. :)
You want all of them? o_O I'm laughing here...

Well, that's delightful... the original format is a document, though.

I could send original sizes as png files. I did not start designing
@ 3600 x 2400 until after somebody else wanted prints of some.
It may be best if you check my Scripture Art thread and let me
know which ones you want. "All" goes back too far and would
include some you probably don't really want. Mind you I am
not caught up with putting them all on that thread :unsure:
Mostly I have been adding them in chronological order :)
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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You want all of them? o_O I'm laughing here...

Well, that's delightful... the original format is a document, though.

I could send original sizes as png files. I did not start designing
@ 3600 x 2400 until after somebody else wanted prints of some.
It may be best if you check my Scripture Art thread and let me
know which ones you want. "All" goes back too far and would
include some you probably don't really want. Mind you I am
not caught up with putting them all on that thread :unsure:
Mostly I have been adding them in chronological order :)
I'd be happy to receive all that you'd like me to have. :)

I've saved the updated Ezekiel 36 artwork. Thank you!
 

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You want all of them? o_O I'm laughing here...

Well, that's delightful... the original format is a document, though.

I could send original sizes as png files. I did not start designing
@ 3600 x 2400 until after somebody else wanted prints of some.
It may be best if you check my Scripture Art thread and let me
know which ones you want. "All" goes back too far and would
include some you probably don't really want. Mind you I am
not caught up with putting them all on that thread :unsure:
Mostly I have been adding them in chronological order :)