Trinity vs. Oneness

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Are you Trinitarian, or Sabellian (Oneness, usually, Oneness Pentecostal)?

  • Trinitarian

    Votes: 45 77.6%
  • Sabellion

    Votes: 6 10.3%
  • What's the difference?

    Votes: 7 12.1%

  • Total voters
    58

PBUH

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It is interesting how easily people can make themselves believe in a father and son and holy ghost deity and make it into one God at the same time. I guess we'll find out on judgement day if your gamble pays off because there is no teachings from Jesus pbuh to back you up. On the contrary he is very clear on not being God.
 
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It is interesting how easily people can make themselves believe in a father and son and holy ghost deity and make it into one God at the same time. I guess we'll find out on judgement day if your gamble pays off because there is no teachings from Jesus pbuh to back you up. On the contrary he is very clear on not being God.
It's even more interesting how easily people can make themselves believe that a henotheistic idolatrous ancient tribe can believe in the moon-god Allah; then later declare that mythological god as no longer part of the pleroma of many gods, but the one true God and then parallel the Hebrew God by piggy-backing a non-existent god onto YHVH as a superimposition.

I guess we'll find out on judgement day if your gamble pays off because there are no teachings from Jesus to back you up. On the contrary, he is very clear on not having anything to do with your imaginary moon-god that you have falsely called the one true God.

Allah is imaginary. Even Barney the Purple Dinosaur is at least real on TV. Allah is non-existent, and M----d is a false prophet of that non-existent god. There is no praise due their names. PFFT, not PBUH.
 
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Scotth1960-

After a bit of reading I now see you are EOC, and I better understand why you responded as you did and then didn't continue to respond.

Out of curiosity, I'd be interested in your response to the following affirmation since you hold that belief in the Trinity is essential for salvation (which is an extra-biblical conditional mandate).

I affirm:
There is One Deity.
The Father is Deity.
The Holy Spirit is Deity.
The Word (Son), Jesus is Deity.
These Three are One Deity.
The Father is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Holy Spirit is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Word is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Father is not the Holy Spirit nor the Word (Son).
The Holy Spirit is not the Father nor the Word (Son).
The Word (Son) is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the Son of God, and is Fully Divine, Begotten of the Father by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the son of man, and is fully human with a Rational Soul, Born of the Virgin.
The Father is Neither Created nor Begotten.
The Holy Spirit is Neither Created nor Begotten.
The Son is not Created, but Begotten.
The Word (Son) proceeded forth and came from God, Sent by the Father.
The Holy Spirit proceedeth from the Father, Sent by the Father and the Son.
(The Holy Spirit proceedeth NOT from both the Father and the Son.)

Yet...
I am not Trinitarian (Social or Anti-Social) of any variation or formulation. Nor am I any variation or formulation of Unitarian, Binitarian, Tritheism, Arianism, or Sabellianism. I'm also am not JW, LDS, SDA, or any World Religion.

Would someone such as myself be considered by the EOC as anathema and heretical, and therefore without salvation?

Can you provide specific scripture that creedal faith in Trinity is the salvific determinant?

Thanks in advance.
Dear friend, Didn't you state in one of your posts that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all Jesus Christ? That the F, S, and HS are all One Person? If that is your creed, it is, ISTM, a Sabellian creed. What is the salvific determinant is God, in His mercy. He will have mercy upon whom He will have mercy. It's up to God. But God will not be pleased with anyone who denies the Trinity. For God is a Trinity. We need to know the sound doctrines of the faith. God requires true believers to believer the true Gospel, and sound doctrines. The Scripture warns, "The time is coming when men will not endure sound doctrine ..." Such a time is ours. It has been that way since 30 AD when Christ rose from the dead. The Church preached the true Gospel, but other men went out and preached false gospels, which are no gospels at all; they preached Gnosticism, for example. And some denied the Gospel altogether, and returned to Judaism. Take care.

 
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Dear friend, Didn't you state in one of your posts that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all Jesus Christ?


No. And the truth was never addressed by any Council to specifically declare it anathema. It never came up. Perplexing, yes?!

That the F, S, and HS are all One Person?
No. I said God was One Divinity (Divine Person); and I said the Incarnate Word was a person (prosopon G4383). See 2Cor. 2:10. I said I was none of the six God-model formulations, yet you can't conceive of the truth being beyond one, any, or all of them.

If that is your creed, it is, ISTM, a Sabellian creed.
Nope. Reread my affirmations. Is that Sabellian? Your perplexity is understanding; it is the same perplexity the early Councilors had when they substituted "person(s)" for the truth that is in God's Word.

What is the salvific determinant is God, in His mercy. He will have mercy upon whom He will have mercy. It's up to God.
Ultimately... true, of course.

But God will not be pleased with anyone who denies the Trinity.
How do you know? Not by the Word. It says no such thing. Church tradition? Nope.

For God is a Trinity.
Saying that over and over doesn't make it so.

We need to know the sound doctrines of the faith. God requires true believers to believer the true Gospel, and sound doctrines.
Absolutely true.

The Scripture warns, "The time is coming when men will not endure sound doctrine ..." Such a time is ours. It has been that way since 30 AD when Christ rose from the dead.
Agreed, including the subtle undermining of orthodoxy.

The Church preached the true Gospel, but other men went out and preached false gospels, which are no gospels at all; they preached Gnosticism, for example. And some denied the Gospel altogether, and returned to Judaism. Take care.
Yes, but that has nothing to do with me. What, exactly, in my affirmations is anything approaching any of the many Gnostic teachings or Judaism or anything else? What in my affirmations is heresy?

I am not Gnostic of any variation; nor am I Judaistic; nor Judaistic Gnostic.

One of the essential indicators is in John 15:26. Don't you see how Filioque undermined the faith? There is something that led to Trinity that did so much earlier. After Filioque, don't you understand that possibility?

Seriously... Who is the last Protestant you know who disaffirms the doctrines I do?

(Do you have any type of GOC documentation for early Trinity yet?)
 
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It is interesting how easily people can make themselves believe in a father and son and holy ghost deity and make it into one God at the same time. I guess we'll find out on judgement day if your gamble pays off because there is no teachings from Jesus pbuh to back you up. On the contrary he is very clear on not being God.
Dear PBUH, Scripture does say, "Without the shedding of blood there is no remission (forgiveness) of sin(s)". Whose blood was shed? The blood of Jesus Christ on the Cross. Yet Islam denies this. Islam insists it is an illusion. While history insists it is a historical fact. Non-Christian historians all testify that a man, a rabbi, Jesus of Nazareth, was crucified about 2000 years ago in the Roman Empire. What some people do not believe is that Christ rose from the dead. Some people testify they saw Him alive. And so they testified, and they were willing to die from people who hated them for saying it. If Christ is not risen, the Christian faith is meaningless. His death is not enough. He must conquer death by His death in rising, being raised from the dead by God the Father, and thus the Father approves of the worship of His Son by declaring Christ God and Lord by raising Him from the dead. Islam denies all this, as does Judaism. Thus they deny the Trinity. And thus, man must save himself by His own goodness. This leads to self-righteousness. There is no room for boasting in Christianity. Christ's terrible death convicts us all of terrible sin. God's Son had to pay a horrible price of being consider sin itself by the Father. Christ had every sin ever committed or that ever will be committed by men placed upon Himself in His body, and His soul was in anguish because of it. The fallen angels will not be redeemed by this; they are beyond redemption. But repentant sinners who turn to Christ and confess Christ and His Cross and His resurrection can be saved. It is all a free gift of God's grace. We cannot earn salvation by good works. This is were Christianity differs from all other religions, which teach a person can be justified by his own holiness. Take care. In America Scott PS May God bless you. In time, all we find out that Christ is Lord. It would be better to find out now, in this life, so as to avoid God's just judgment against all those who reject Christ.

 
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ONE GOD is THREE PERSONS = HOLY SPIRIT, JESUS CHRIST AND THE FATHER

NOBODY IS RIGHTEOUS NOT ONE! Romans 3:10..... Romans 10:3 warns - Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.

HERE is the deal, GOD wants to make YOU.. one with CHRIST..literally... to put YOUR SPIRIT into CHRISTS and to make you ONE with GOD .. hence, HEAVEN is within you and LIVING WATER will flow from within. BUT...

YOU MUST HATE THE WORLD AND ALL THAT IS IN IT AS JESUS SAID:

ASK, READ, REPENT and only seek heaven and do not love the world of anything in it, I promise you all.. that this is what the TRUE message of the Gospel IS because IF YOU JUST OPEN your eyes and heart and take these Scriptures for what they are and BOLDLY ASK GOD for heaven within you now, the Living Water, AND KEEP READING, fasting and pushing hard reading Matthew to Revelations and suffering like JESUS did with fasting and not sinning at ALL.. GOD will do IT!

WATCH my testimony - http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?feature=mhum
THIS IS THE REAL TRUTH OF CHRIST HE HAS SHOWN ME HIMSELF, I COME in the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST RAISED THE 3rd day by the FATHER who sends the HOLY SPIRIT to those who TRULY REPENT AND ASK AND SEEK AND KEEP SEEKING BOLDLY UNTIL THEY FIND... AND ONLY THOSE WHO SEEK BOLDLY as JESUS SAID in the parable with the man asking for BREAD that was turned away BUT got the bread HE wanted due to HIS BOLD PERSISTENCE!

Luke 11:8 "I tell you, though he will not get up and give him the bread because he is his friend, yet because of the man's boldness he will get up and give him as much as he needs."
•John 17:21 - Jesus said: "That all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be IN us."
John 8:31 - "IF you ABIDE in my word, you are TRULY my disciples."
• John 14:21: "He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."
• Luke 14:26 - "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple." HATE in really "love less by comparison." In the Greek original.
• John 7:37 - For Jesus stood and cried, saying on the day of the Feast, "If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his BELLY shall flow rivers of Living Water!"
• Luke 17:21 "nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."
• John 7:38 - "Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."
• LUKE 12:2 - "... and all that is secret will be made known."
• John 12:25 - "Those who love their lives will destroy them, and those who hate their lives in this world will guard them for everlasting life."
• 1 John 2:15 - "Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him."
• Rev 3:20 - "If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.”
• Galatians 2:20 - "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me."
• 2 Corinthians 13:5 - "Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?"
• Hebrews 12:14 - "Without holiness no one will see the Lord."
• 2 Peter 2:2 - "Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute."
• Ephesians 2:14 - For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.

• Romans 8:9 -- "You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ."

• Galatians 5:20 -- "Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires."

• Colossians 2:11 -- "In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ."

• John 17:24 "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world."

• 1 John 2:27 "...and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit."
• 1 John 3:9 - "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God."

• 1 John 5:18 - "We know that the person who has been born from God does not go on sinning. Rather, the Son of God protects them, and the evil one cannot harm them."
• Luke 24:49 "I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high."

• John 4: 23 -- "Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

• Hebrews 12:8 "If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons."

• John 8:34 - Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."
• Hebrews 10:26 - If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
 
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No. And the truth was never addressed by any Council to specifically declare it anathema. It never came up. Perplexing, yes?!



No. I said God was One Divinity (Divine Person); and I said the Incarnate Word was a person (prosopon G4383). See 2Cor. 2:10. I said I was none of the six God-model formulations, yet you can't conceive of the truth being beyond one, any, or all of them.



Nope. Reread my affirmations. Is that Sabellian? Your perplexity is understanding; it is the same perplexity the early Councilors had when they substituted "person(s)" for the truth that is in God's Word.



Ultimately... true, of course.



How do you know? Not by the Word. It says no such thing. Church tradition? Nope.



Saying that over and over doesn't make it so.



Absolutely true.



Agreed, including the subtle undermining of orthodoxy.



Yes, but that has nothing to do with me. What, exactly, in my affirmations is anything approaching any of the many Gnostic teachings or Judaism or anything else? What in my affirmations is heresy?

I am not Gnostic of any variation; nor am I Judaistic; nor Judaistic Gnostic.

One of the essential indicators is in John 15:26. Don't you see how Filioque undermined the faith? There is something that led to Trinity that did so much earlier. After Filioque, don't you understand that possibility?

Seriously... Who is the last Protestant you know who disaffirms the doctrines I do?

(Do you have any type of GOC documentation for early Trinity yet?)

You too use the term person. Where do the exact words "Jesus Christ is a person" appear in Scripture? If you are insisting on sola Scriptura, someone else may insist on it for your declaring Christ is a person. No problem. Christ is a person, whether or not Scripture says it. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are persons, whether or not Scripture says it. The Church says persons. The Church isn't in error. Christ promised that: Matthew 16:18. The Church has always preached the catholic faith, the orthodox faith. Take care.

 
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Well... actually.. I really don't know..

The Bible teache us a triunity, but there is an oneness too. I don't think we can't understand how it is in real.. we can't understand...

I remember a theologian, that said... : a person who say: I understand really how it is happen... That person.. doesn't understand anything.

We can read.. and we know.. that Jesus is God.. But for the rest..... I know what Sabellius taugh I know what Tertullianus taught..

And... don't know who is right...

meditate on this scripture. luke 10:22. all things are delivered to me of my father:
and no man know who the son is, but the father:and who the father is but the son,
and he to whom the son will reveal him.

wakeup.
 
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I wrote what's the difference because no matter how hard I try my 13 year old mind still cant figure out.

Whether God has like three personalities?

Whether there are three distinct beings and they form a group called the Trinity?

Whether all of the trinity is just different aspects of God?(Same as personalities)

Whether the trinity is a family?

Ect. Ect. Ect.

At camp peple tried to explain it to me like ice, water, and steam but that confuses me further as it can only be one type at a time!
 
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I wrote what's the difference because no matter how hard I try my 13 year old mind still cant figure out.

Whether God has like three personalities?

Whether there are three distinct beings and they form a group called the Trinity?

Whether all of the trinity is just different aspects of God?(Same as personalities)

Whether the trinity is a family?

Ect. Ect. Ect.

At camp peple tried to explain it to me like ice, water, and steam but that confuses me further as it can only be one type at a time!
Just keep in mind that no matter what people tell you or how they try to explain it, those are just the words of men. Scripture is the only authority.

12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. (1 Corinthians 12:12-13)

16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever-- 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. (John 14:16-17)

20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth. (1 John 2:20-21)

27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. (1 John 2:27)

26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. (John 14:26)
 
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I wrote what's the difference because no matter how hard I try my 13 year old mind still cant figure out.

Whether God has like three personalities?

Whether there are three distinct beings and they form a group called the Trinity?

Whether all of the trinity is just different aspects of God?(Same as personalities)

Whether the trinity is a family?

Ect. Ect. Ect.

At camp peple tried to explain it to me like ice, water, and steam but that confuses me further as it can only be one type at a time!
I pointed that out before about the water, Water is the original form like the Father...and Ice is Jesus and Holy Spirit is steam, aren't they all water but separate (Trinity is all one God but different in three)

There is only one God that is into three persons
 
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You too use the term person. Where do the exact words "Jesus Christ is a person" appear in Scripture? If you are insisting on sola Scriptura, someone else may insist on it for your declaring Christ is a person. No problem. Christ is a person, whether or not Scripture says it. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are persons, whether or not Scripture says it. The Church says persons. The Church isn't in error. Christ promised that: Matthew 16:18. The Church has always preached the catholic faith, the orthodox faith. Take care.

2Corinthians 2:10. "...the person (prosopon G4383) of Jesus Christ..."

(I've posted this several times.)
 
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HeavenwithinYOU

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THIS WILL TAKE AWAY ALL DEPRESSION.. .FOREVER!

Matthew 11:12 "From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it."

FATHER!!!!!! PLEASE!!! LISTEN TO ME!!!!!!!!!!! I WANT HEAVEN WITHIN NOW FATHER IN JESUS NAME!!!! I AM SICK OF THIS EARTH!!!! HELP!!!!! SCREAM THIS ALONE SOMEWHERE TO THE SKY!!!! I SAY!


Well... here is what I mean. MOST Christians say they are Christians, they have accepted Jesus but have not done what He said, follow me.

Jesus went into the world and hung out even where sinners hung out, to try to win over sinners.

Now, its not what you do... its more about what you haven't done yet.

Jesus wanted HIS followers to FIRST:

Cut off the world totally and fully for a short period of time ... MOST have never done this.

HE went to the desert for 40 days, not saying you have to do that, but you and me, we can sure:

MAKE our life a desert for forty days. WHAT is a desert like?

No friends, no TV, no music, nothing but silence and GOD for a while.

Now... When I first came to Christ, I figured, let me make my life a desert minus the fasting... I had to work so I needed energy.

BUT. I pulled the plug on my computer, TV, RADIO ... and I was either at work OR.

I WAS HOME reading my BIBLE or going on walks with GOD.. PERIOD. Phone calls I kept under a minute as well and ONLY if someone called me, I did not CALL out at ALL... made my life a desert for 40 days and read the entire New Testament in that time asking for what?

JUST three things:

1. God, please give me the SPIRIT of Jesus Christ within me, a new nature beaciuse this one is broken and prone to want sin, I am a sin loving wanting needing machine.


2. GOD please give me the Living Water within me as it says in John -- Living Water will burst out from the belly within you! I want this God, whatever this is in Jesus name!

3. GOD.. I want to go to heaven ... now, I want heaven now either take me there now and take me out of this world OR.. GIVE me heaven within me, whatever that means God, LET me wake up feeling heaven one way or another because IT IS SAID THAT JESUS came back to undo the works of the devil RIGHT GOD? AND IT SAYS that Jesus said "IT IS FINISHED!" on the cross RIGHT GOD? AND THE FIRST WORK the devil did is to remove EDEN from us humans, right GOD? SO.. technically from what it says YOU GOD CAN GIVE ME Eden now? You can be MY GOD AS YOU WERE TO ADAM, open, revealed and give me a NON FALLEN nature, right GOD? THAT'S WHAT I WANT GOD and THAT is why I am reading this GOSPEL! TO GET THESE!

Amen in JESUS NAME.


NOW I asked this each day and set apart 40 days to read all the gospel, which was 200 pages I decided to read X number of pages for that much time to get WHAT I ASKED FOR... and ONLY WHAT I ASKED FOR!

HEAVEN is taken BY FORCE as it says in Matthew.

HAVE YOU FORCED GOD TO GIVE IT TO YOU YET?

[FONT=&quot]• John 7:37 - For Jesus stood and cried, saying on the day of the Feast, "If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his BELLY shall flow rivers of Living Water!"
• Luke 17:21 "nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."
• John 7:38 - "Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."
• LUKE 12:2 - "... and all that is secret will be made known."
• John 12:25 - "Those who love their lives will destroy them, and those who hate their lives in this world will guard them for everlasting life."


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It is interesting how easily people can make themselves believe in a father and son and holy ghost deity and make it into one God at the same time. I guess we'll find out on judgement day if your gamble pays off because there is no teachings from Jesus pbuh to back you up. On the contrary he is very clear on not being God.
Where does either the OT or the New Testament prophesy "a final prophet will arise many generations later among the Arabs who will correct the errors of the OT and the NT"? If the OT and NT are in error, then any later prophet would be in error, for he would base his teaching upon the OT and the NT. Thus, no Quran is needed. "By their fruits you shall know them". What has been the fruit of Islam, at least by some of its followers? Violence and death. How many Christians today are preaching jihad? Not many. Most Christians would die rather than kill in the name of God (or of "allah", as the case may be). In America Scott H

 
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TheJesusFreak

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I STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND LOL!

Like *Pulls Hair* i cant comprehend it lol.

Like there are three people in a group type of thing?

How can they be all the same person but also not the same person?
 

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I STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND LOL!

Like *Pulls Hair* i cant comprehend it lol.

Like there are three people in a group type of thing?

How can they be all the same person but also not the same person?
It is not to be understood. Most things having to do with God are not understood with our reason. The natural mind cannot understand the things of God.

God is not bound by our understanding. He can and does manifest as three. Jesus is fully God, in the flesh. The Holy Spirit is fully God, in us. the Father is fully God, on the throne in heaven. There is not any place, any time, any event, that He is not at, or watching, or aware of, in all 3 of His persons.
 
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I STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND LOL!

Like *Pulls Hair* i cant comprehend it lol.

Like there are three people in a group type of thing?

How can they be all the same person but also not the same person?
No. God is not three persons. Don't listen to the indoctrinated double-talk. Trinitarians insist on a complex doctrinal formulation, but then hypocritically say He can't be understood after extensively trying to understand. They don't even understand their own doctrine. (I was Trinitarian for 28 years.)

I'll explain more later. Pray Ephesians 1:17.
 
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Scotth1960

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No. And the truth was never addressed by any Council to specifically declare it anathema. It never came up. Perplexing, yes?!



No. I said God was One Divinity (Divine Person); and I said the Incarnate Word was a person (prosopon G4383). See 2Cor. 2:10. I said I was none of the six God-model formulations, yet you can't conceive of the truth being beyond one, any, or all of them.



Nope. Reread my affirmations. Is that Sabellian? Your perplexity is understanding; it is the same perplexity the early Councilors had when they substituted "person(s)" for the truth that is in God's Word.



Ultimately... true, of course.



How do you know? Not by the Word. It says no such thing. Church tradition? Nope.



Saying that over and over doesn't make it so.



Absolutely true.



Agreed, including the subtle undermining of orthodoxy.



Yes, but that has nothing to do with me. What, exactly, in my affirmations is anything approaching any of the many Gnostic teachings or Judaism or anything else? What in my affirmations is heresy?

I am not Gnostic of any variation; nor am I Judaistic; nor Judaistic Gnostic.

One of the essential indicators is in John 15:26. Don't you see how Filioque undermined the faith? There is something that led to Trinity that did so much earlier. After Filioque, don't you understand that possibility?

Seriously... Who is the last Protestant you know who disaffirms the doctrines I do?

(Do you have any type of GOC documentation for early Trinity yet?)
(Do you have any type of written documentation from the early years (30 AD to 180 AD) for your Oneness doctrine? In Erie PA Scott H.)
 
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Crazy4GODword

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I STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND LOL!

Like *Pulls Hair* i cant comprehend it lol.

Like there are three people in a group type of thing?

How can they be all the same person but also not the same person?
yeah we cannot fully comprehend it as humans, but God is three persons in one God.