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Where do you get your gorilla theory from? I don't think that's anywhere in Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the KJV. Even on my psychotropics, I don't hallucinate about gorillas. I'm recovering and God is healing my illness. Thank God. I pray God save you from your slander of the truth. I must say you love God, you just don't know what you're saying.
Gorillas? You should just calm down and think rationally and get over it! And next, you bring up Hinduism. You slander 2000 years of history because of your ignorance about Brahma Vishnu Shiva, three gods. Not One God in Three Persons. You don't understand what you're saying, you're just chasing gorillas!
Actually, I'm deeply stirred to pray for you. My comment was intended as sarcastic humor. I had no idea you were on such meds, and ask your forgiveness. I do not laugh at another man's calamity, and pray God's mercy for whatever you are struggling with in your body. God's richest blessings for total health and healing for you!
"He sent his word and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.". There's healing in the name of Jesus.
"He sent his word and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.". There's healing in the name of Jesus.
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[quote=PneumaPsucheSoma;399627]Scott... Either go take your psychotropics or stop taking your psychotropics, whichever it is.
I'm not Oneness.
Do you have any type of written documentation from the early years (30AD to 180AD) for your Hindu doctrine?[/quote]
Now you are being just plain rude. I never called you a pagan. I just said you told me that Oneness is closer to the truth. Why/how is that, if that is so? If it is, you should be able to find plenty of English and Greek verses that say that. If not, it is just like the Trinity, an inference. No verse in the NT says "persons". No verse in the NT says, "they are NOT persons." We all rely on some sacred traditions by which we interpret the NT. It's not sola Scriptura. It's Scripture IN Tradition. It all depends which Tradition is from GOD.
Is it TRINITY? Or is it YOUR VIEW? What is your view? You still haven't revealed what you believe!
I wonder why.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington PS I am not a Hindu, and you are not a Sabellian. Can we progress past the name calling, and be civil, please! God bless you!
I'm not Oneness.
Do you have any type of written documentation from the early years (30AD to 180AD) for your Hindu doctrine?[/quote]
Now you are being just plain rude. I never called you a pagan. I just said you told me that Oneness is closer to the truth. Why/how is that, if that is so? If it is, you should be able to find plenty of English and Greek verses that say that. If not, it is just like the Trinity, an inference. No verse in the NT says "persons". No verse in the NT says, "they are NOT persons." We all rely on some sacred traditions by which we interpret the NT. It's not sola Scriptura. It's Scripture IN Tradition. It all depends which Tradition is from GOD.
Is it TRINITY? Or is it YOUR VIEW? What is your view? You still haven't revealed what you believe!
I wonder why.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington PS I am not a Hindu, and you are not a Sabellian. Can we progress past the name calling, and be civil, please! God bless you!
Hi, Scott-
I came to CC to share a deep truth that completes the incomplete. As I challenged the area of incompleteness, you and others held on for dear life to the single extra-biblical word that has caused the understanding of God to be less than it can be. The more I've tried to get you to see the importance of understanding the simple truth of "persons" not being scriptural, the more you adamantly cling to argument based on Tradition.
Unfortunately, I get too testy about this because of how it affected my life and what God has called me to do in ministry. My frustration with simply getting you past a basic position of defensiveness put me into a mode of sarcastic attack with little love. I've taken a breather from the thread topics and have been conversing privately with those who want a deeper scriptural understanding of God's constiitution. As I've done so, I realized the contrast in how I lovingly spoke with others compared to the escalation in my own methods of communication with you.
Though I have great zeal and desire to share the truth, I cannot do so without love. Love can be firm and unyielding, but it can't be what I progressed to in the flesh. There's no need for me to oppose someone beyond the futility of their adamance in rejecting anything but what they already believe to be the complete truth. Such futility becomes a war of words and wills that profits no one, including the Gospel.
I hereby return to my original contention and proceed with care and love. I ask yours and others' forgiveness for the offense of my frustrated methodology; and I pray the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him have preeminence over all flesh and the wiles of the enemy.
My simple contention is this: the single word "person(s)" has obscurred to true understanding of who God is my constitution and nature. Though I wholly affirm the remainder of Trinity doctrine, the narrowness of orthodoxy in anathematizing other views has forced me to stand against it in truth from the Word. I am not Sola Scriptura, but I stand against anything presented that can't be substantiated in scripture. If scripture were silent (as it has been widely presumed to be), I would have less issue. But the Word says something ELSE. Unfortunately, few will accept the simple truth correlated from the text, and it requires at least a brief exegesis from the Greek to stand against well-established Trinity formulation.
I have no desire to continue exhaustingly refuting and obviously unbiblical single word. There is no doubt that much of the early Church believed in the Deity of Christ in some manner. The early writings strongly indicate the inclusion of reverence and worship with some sense of equality for F-S-HS. As the need arose to defend and or evangelize the faith, those understandings began to take shape. All emphasis was upon maintaining monotheism, and some presented Jesus as a created special man or a created God. Trinity emerged from various influences as the best understanding they had.
No matter what historical or biblical information I provide, few are going to set aside a current understanding that has such traditional momentum of persuasion and indoctrination. My reasonable challenges are ignored. I think it best to discontinue my futile attempts to get others to see the fallacy of the use of the term "persons". If someone can't see and admit that it is conceptually projected instead of literally presented in scripture, then that someone will not be dissuaded from their insistence.
For those who can see there is room for deeper understanding beyond "persons", I can step through scripture and desctiptive apologetics to show the truth of who God is.
I came to CC to share a deep truth that completes the incomplete. As I challenged the area of incompleteness, you and others held on for dear life to the single extra-biblical word that has caused the understanding of God to be less than it can be. The more I've tried to get you to see the importance of understanding the simple truth of "persons" not being scriptural, the more you adamantly cling to argument based on Tradition.
Unfortunately, I get too testy about this because of how it affected my life and what God has called me to do in ministry. My frustration with simply getting you past a basic position of defensiveness put me into a mode of sarcastic attack with little love. I've taken a breather from the thread topics and have been conversing privately with those who want a deeper scriptural understanding of God's constiitution. As I've done so, I realized the contrast in how I lovingly spoke with others compared to the escalation in my own methods of communication with you.
Though I have great zeal and desire to share the truth, I cannot do so without love. Love can be firm and unyielding, but it can't be what I progressed to in the flesh. There's no need for me to oppose someone beyond the futility of their adamance in rejecting anything but what they already believe to be the complete truth. Such futility becomes a war of words and wills that profits no one, including the Gospel.
I hereby return to my original contention and proceed with care and love. I ask yours and others' forgiveness for the offense of my frustrated methodology; and I pray the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him have preeminence over all flesh and the wiles of the enemy.
My simple contention is this: the single word "person(s)" has obscurred to true understanding of who God is my constitution and nature. Though I wholly affirm the remainder of Trinity doctrine, the narrowness of orthodoxy in anathematizing other views has forced me to stand against it in truth from the Word. I am not Sola Scriptura, but I stand against anything presented that can't be substantiated in scripture. If scripture were silent (as it has been widely presumed to be), I would have less issue. But the Word says something ELSE. Unfortunately, few will accept the simple truth correlated from the text, and it requires at least a brief exegesis from the Greek to stand against well-established Trinity formulation.
I have no desire to continue exhaustingly refuting and obviously unbiblical single word. There is no doubt that much of the early Church believed in the Deity of Christ in some manner. The early writings strongly indicate the inclusion of reverence and worship with some sense of equality for F-S-HS. As the need arose to defend and or evangelize the faith, those understandings began to take shape. All emphasis was upon maintaining monotheism, and some presented Jesus as a created special man or a created God. Trinity emerged from various influences as the best understanding they had.
No matter what historical or biblical information I provide, few are going to set aside a current understanding that has such traditional momentum of persuasion and indoctrination. My reasonable challenges are ignored. I think it best to discontinue my futile attempts to get others to see the fallacy of the use of the term "persons". If someone can't see and admit that it is conceptually projected instead of literally presented in scripture, then that someone will not be dissuaded from their insistence.
For those who can see there is room for deeper understanding beyond "persons", I can step through scripture and desctiptive apologetics to show the truth of who God is.
I have life in Myself, even as the Father has life in Himself.
Has life in Himself. This while He was in the flesh.
This is a difficult subject, but Paul tried to explain it saying; "Have this attitude in your self which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking on the form of a bond servant, being made in the likeness of men. And being found in the appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross."
If Jesus laid aside the attributes of divinity during His time on the earth in the flesh, it was for obedience sake. This in no way lessened His divinity while He was here saving our souls.
In Christ
Has life in Himself. This while He was in the flesh.
This is a difficult subject, but Paul tried to explain it saying; "Have this attitude in your self which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking on the form of a bond servant, being made in the likeness of men. And being found in the appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross."
If Jesus laid aside the attributes of divinity during His time on the earth in the flesh, it was for obedience sake. This in no way lessened His divinity while He was here saving our souls.
In Christ
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Agreed, and this shows the love of God, that he take the form of man, and died for his enemy. Talk about a slap in the face to Satan (who's lie was the God is not loving) who can argue against this (the love of God) now?
This is why I do not like the perception that Jesus was not God. If he is not God, satans lie is still valid, because God did not come himself, he sent someone else to do what he would not do.
This is why I do not like the perception that Jesus was not God. If he is not God, satans lie is still valid, because God did not come himself, he sent someone else to do what he would not do.
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I just want everyone who reads this to stop and think for a minute. what is the results of your beliefs, what fruits and paths would your thoughts lead? I have not read all the post but I will tell you of other religions and of what the demons whisper when I just even look at this thread, take it how you will. like i said it gives me a headache to think to long on this thread and posting because of all the dark influences just openning and trying to comment on it. but i'm stubborn, i will not allow darkness to stand unquestioned. i will not remain silent so headache or not hear then the lies being spoken in the spirit realm about the subject.
a newest stream of Hinduism is to talk about how we can become one with God. How we all have Atman and can merge into God's ONENESS.
sound familiar? i have books on the subject and have seen the demonic influence and how it is subtely being accepted into mainstream thought, even Christian thought.
another is that Jesus is not GOD but just another person or creation, that there are three distinct persons and that we should worship the one True God, the Creator, that we are not called to worship Jesus or the Holy Spirit but God only.
Its called Islam.
Sorry I can't comment anymore the headache. Here are some songs and Bible verses they are the only things that keeps me from just shutting down. Please my brethren stop the debate and remove the stumbling block of contention from the eyes of new believers. if you must debate do it in the chatroom or via email. state your case and let the Holy Spirit move in their hearts to judge whose words are Truth. It is not through our power or words that minds and hearts are changed but through the power of the Holy Spirit. therefore brothers and sister let us be God's children and show the LOVE of God to the world.
John 8
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
a newest stream of Hinduism is to talk about how we can become one with God. How we all have Atman and can merge into God's ONENESS.
sound familiar? i have books on the subject and have seen the demonic influence and how it is subtely being accepted into mainstream thought, even Christian thought.
another is that Jesus is not GOD but just another person or creation, that there are three distinct persons and that we should worship the one True God, the Creator, that we are not called to worship Jesus or the Holy Spirit but God only.
Its called Islam.
Sorry I can't comment anymore the headache. Here are some songs and Bible verses they are the only things that keeps me from just shutting down. Please my brethren stop the debate and remove the stumbling block of contention from the eyes of new believers. if you must debate do it in the chatroom or via email. state your case and let the Holy Spirit move in their hearts to judge whose words are Truth. It is not through our power or words that minds and hearts are changed but through the power of the Holy Spirit. therefore brothers and sister let us be God's children and show the LOVE of God to the world.
John 8
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
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I just want everyone who reads this to stop and think for a minute. what is the results of your beliefs, what fruits and paths would your thoughts lead? I have not read all the post but I will tell you of other religions and of what the demons whisper when I just even look at this thread, take it how you will. like i said it gives me a headache to think to long on this thread and posting because of all the dark influences just openning and trying to comment on it. but i'm stubborn, i will not allow darkness to stand unquestioned. i will not remain silent so headache or not hear then the lies being spoken in the spirit realm about the subject.
a newest stream of Hinduism is to talk about how we can become one with God. How we all have Atman and can merge into God's ONENESS.
sound familiar? i have books on the subject and have seen the demonic influence and how it is subtely being accepted into mainstream thought, even Christian thought.
another is that Jesus is not GOD but just another person or creation, that there are three distinct persons and that we should worship the one True God, the Creator, that we are not called to worship Jesus or the Holy Spirit but God only.
Its called Islam.
Sorry I can't comment anymore the headache. Here are some songs and Bible verses they are the only things that keeps me from just shutting down. Please my brethren stop the debate and remove the stumbling block of contention from the eyes of new believers. if you must debate do it in the chatroom or via email. state your case and let the Holy Spirit move in their hearts to judge whose words are Truth. It is not through our power or words that minds and hearts are changed but through the power of the Holy Spirit. therefore brothers and sister let us be God's children and show the LOVE of God to the world.
John 8
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
YouTube - Leann Rimes - Amazing Grace
Grace alone saves and it is a gift from GOD not us.
a newest stream of Hinduism is to talk about how we can become one with God. How we all have Atman and can merge into God's ONENESS.
sound familiar? i have books on the subject and have seen the demonic influence and how it is subtely being accepted into mainstream thought, even Christian thought.
another is that Jesus is not GOD but just another person or creation, that there are three distinct persons and that we should worship the one True God, the Creator, that we are not called to worship Jesus or the Holy Spirit but God only.
Its called Islam.
Sorry I can't comment anymore the headache. Here are some songs and Bible verses they are the only things that keeps me from just shutting down. Please my brethren stop the debate and remove the stumbling block of contention from the eyes of new believers. if you must debate do it in the chatroom or via email. state your case and let the Holy Spirit move in their hearts to judge whose words are Truth. It is not through our power or words that minds and hearts are changed but through the power of the Holy Spirit. therefore brothers and sister let us be God's children and show the LOVE of God to the world.
John 8
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
YouTube - Leann Rimes - Amazing Grace
Grace alone saves and it is a gift from GOD not us.
Hi, Ananda...
The Oneness being addressed in this thread is Sabellianism, not any teaching that we become Divine ourselves. Oneness pertains to God being singular rather than three "persons". Oneness affirms the Deity of Christ.
I'm not Oneness, but it's closer to truth than Trinity. God is not three "persons".
Your headache is not from non-Trinity views, it's from your sensitivity to loveless conflict.
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Dear pneumapsuchesoma, Well, God bless you. I appreciate your effort to be more humble. We all need to be more humble. I'm sure I do, too. As for your position being more complete or accurate than the Trinity doctrine of persons, I can't understand what you are saying. I guess we'll (I'll) have to leave it as a sort of irreconcilable difference. You haven't convinced me the word persons is either irrational or un-biblical. I take it as a valid inference. If the word persons is not used for Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the distinction between them is blurred. Then they are all each other, and that is impossible. The word persons protects their distinct attributes and properties as distinct members of the Godhead. God bless you. In Erie PA / Scott R. Harrington