Trinity?

[directline2iam]

Trinitarian is incorrect understanding. First of all thinking as a human is commendable, but that is as far as it goes. They need to think Spiritually and should learn that God is a MISTERY and not One that can be easily explained away.


They use the Holy Spirit as a third person to do this, otherwise, they cannot explain how Father and Son can be in them selves and in heaven and at the same time be in us. But the facts are, God can do anything so let God be God and not an idol of mans human ideas.


God through Himself that is, the Father and begotten Son who are Eternal Spirit and Holy, who created in the womb of Mary, a human body with Gods' Eternal Holy Spirit in it, and was to be called Emanuel which is God with us. His English pronounced name is Jesus, the Holy Eternal Spirit God who is now also fully human being in the flesh. Who could demonstrate that ULTIMATE FORM OF LOVE, and die for HIS sin filled condemned creation.
Trinitarians like to also use this unbiblical understanding to compare us with a triune being.
You are created in the image of God who is Father and begotten son which is one Eternal Holy Spirit. NOT a Father and Son AND a Spirit. There is no scripture for this nonsense.


You are made up of two parts, a body and a spirit which becomes a human soul upon the two joining. NOT a body and a soul and a spirit. Again trying to use scripture without understanding such as "the two edged sword being able to divide soul and spirit" does not in any way shape or form of the words express that the soul is a third part of the human as Genesis is clear that man (body and spirit) BECAME a living soul.


If you mix fire and wood, what do they BECOME. Can you undo the mix and have fire and wood again? No, but God is Able.


Now that you are a living human soul, when you die, you loose the corruptable body, but God in His Love and mercy will give you a new Holy Spiritual uncorruptable body and then you become an Holy Spiritual Eternally living Human Soul.


Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to change Gods' Word.

 

[der]

In the book of Isaiah we find different places where the one who is God says, I am God, and there is none else. If one individual being is speaking here, there can't be other two in the Godhead, only one. And that one is Jesus, because Colossians 2.9 says, In Jesus dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. So before Jesus put on a body, he created everything. That made him the Father (Malachi 2.10 says, Have we not all one father? has not one God created us? He became the Son when he was born(Luke 1.35 says, The angel answered Mary, The Holy Ghost will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you: THEREFORE that holy thing which will be born of you will be called the Son of God). Then after his ascension to heaven, he came back down in Spirit form, and was the Holy Ghost(Luke 24.49 says, Look, I SEND the promise of my Father upon you. Matthew 3.11 says Jesus will baptize them with the Holy Ghost. In Acts 2.33 Peter speaking of them receiving the Holy Ghost, when they spoke in other tongues, he said of Jesus, " he has shed forth this, which you now see and hear", meaning Jesus was the Holy Ghost himself in Spirit form. So one individual said in Isaiah 46.9 I am God, and there is none else. And that must of been Jesus speaking before he put on a body, because Colossians 2.9 says, In Jesus dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Jesus of course was the Son of God through the virgin birth as we seen in Luke 1.35. He also is the Holy Ghost as we have seen. It's one individual being with three different tittles Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, which is the person of Jesus as the Bible says. May God bless you. Amen.

 

[directline2iam]

John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God.
What does "with" mean der? And yes scripture does say He shall be called wonderful, counselor, the everlasting Father.....

 

[ELECT]

Who sits on the throne in Heaven God the Father or God the Son ? thanks alot

 

[ELECT]

In the book of Isaiah we find different places where the one who is God says, I am God, and there is none else. If one individual being is speaking here, there can't be other two in the Godhead, only one. And that one is Jesus, because Colossians 2.9 says, In Jesus dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. So before Jesus put on a body, he created everything. That made him the Father (Malachi 2.10 says, Have we not all one father? has not one God created us? He became the Son when he was born(Luke 1.35 says, The angel answered Mary, The Holy Ghost will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you: THEREFORE that holy thing which will be born of you will be called the Son of God). Then after his ascension to heaven, he came back down in Spirit form, and was the Holy Ghost(Luke 24.49 says, Look, I SEND the promise of my Father upon you. Matthew 3.11 says Jesus will baptize them with the Holy Ghost. In Acts 2.33 Peter speaking of them receiving the Holy Ghost, when they spoke in other tongues, he said of Jesus, " he has shed forth this, which you now see and hear", meaning Jesus was the Holy Ghost himself in Spirit form. So one individual said in Isaiah 46.9 I am God, and there is none else. And that must of been Jesus speaking before he put on a body, because Colossians 2.9 says, In Jesus dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Jesus of course was the Son of God through the virgin birth as we seen in Luke 1.35. He also is the Holy Ghost as we have seen. It's one individual being with three different tittles Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, which is the person of Jesus as the Bible says. May God bless you. Amen.

Who raised Jesus from the dead ? Was Jesus praying to Himself ?

 

[directline2iam]

Who raised Jesus from the dead ? Was Jesus praying to Himself ?

I have power to lay myself down and power to raise myself up John 10:18. You never ever talked to your self in your whole life huh? That's a first. Just saying..........

 

[Gandalf]

Your last line is of concern to me...
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Maybe you didn’t understand me but if you can show me the verse where I am damned to hell for not believing in the trinity I will repent

 

[Gandalf]

If the Father is God and God is Spirit then Father is Spirit. How can you not understand? There is no trinity-never was.

I agree to an extent with what you are saying as there is no written proof of the word trinity in the Bible, but how do we explain the fact that Elohim is a plural expression for God and Genesis 3:22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever" ?

 

[goodnewsanonomys]

I have been doing a lot of studying and from my opinion conclusion..you have jesus christ the son and god the father and if you want to get technical gods name (yaweh) or jehovah..there are many scriptures seperating the two.one I like is when god say no one will no when the end will come not even my own son jesus christ..now how can they be the same thing if only one knows when armegedon is to come??

 

[Scuba]

I agree to an extent with what you are saying as there is no written proof of the word trinity in the Bible, but how do we explain the fact that Elohim is a plural expression for God and Genesis 3:22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever" ?

The word, Elohim, is just like the word, sheep. Whether I have five sheep or one sheep it's still sheep. Moses was called, Elohim, and we know he is one person.

Exodus 4:16 So he shall be your spokesman to the people. And he himself shall be as a mouth for you, and you shall be to him as God (Elohim).

Interpreting, "Let us make man in our image" to mean Jesus was there is a man made interpretation. God is always surrounded by His angelic host. When He created everything it was the angelic host He was referring to.

Job 38:4-7 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!Who stretched a measuring line across it? On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?

God always includes His angelic host when He speaks. We find the same thing in Isaiah 6:1-8. Notice the angelic host the surrounds the throne of God. It was these beings that included in His question just like it was the angelic host that God referred two when He said, "Let us make man in our image".

Isaiah 6:1-8 In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above it stood seraphim; each one had six wings: with two he covered his face, with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. And one cried to another and said: “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts; The whole earth is full of His glory!” And the posts of the door were shaken by the voice of him who cried out, and the house was filled with smoke. So I said: “Woe is me, for I am undone! Because I am a man of unclean lips, And I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, The Lord of hosts.” Then one of the seraphim flew to me, having in his hand a live coal which he had taken with the tongs from the altar. And he touched my mouth with it, and said: “Behold, this has touched your lips; Your iniquity is taken away, And your sin purged.” Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying: “Whom shall I send, And who will go for us?” Then I said, “Here am I! Send me.”

Jesus Himself said it was God who made man, not Him.

Mark 10:5-6 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’

 

[goodnewsanonomys]

The Trinity -- Fact or Fiction? just read this and it answers everything about the false trinitym

 

[BlackPlatypus]

Trinity, the word, is never once mentioned in scripture. God has a Triune nature. Menaing, he is God, who is a holy spirit, and who manifest himself in the flesh as Christ Jesus. But these were all the one God.

It would be like this reference to a human as an example. Steve. Steve is a man. He's also a father. And he's also a long distance truck driver.

This doesn't mean there are three Steve's committing to those identities. Steve, father, trucker. It means Steve is investing himself into three different things in his life.

Deuteronomy 6:4Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Well hello!
All you Christians out there I want YOUR opinion!

I have studied this doctrine defined as the Trinity, and I tend to see a lot of issues with it. So I am just curious is someone that actually knows anything about it. (Not what you have always been taught, But what you have Studied) Would give me a brief but intellectual standpoint on it, in hopes of a discussion. What is the Trinity in your own words? And from a biblical point of view Why do you believe it?

 

[newbirth]

Trinity, the word, is never once mentioned in scripture. God has a Triune nature. Menaing, he is God, who is a holy spirit, and who manifest himself in the flesh as Christ Jesus. But these were all the one God.

It would be like this reference to a human as an example. Steve. Steve is a man. He's also a father. And he's also a long distance truck driver.

This doesn't mean there are three Steve's committing to those identities. Steve, father, trucker. It means Steve is investing himself into three different things in his life.

Deuteronomy 6:4Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Steve is also a brother ,nephew , uncle and a host of other things how does that relate to God being triune if God says he is one you don't tell him he is three or his nature is three ...Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

 

[directline2iam]

God always includes His angelic host when He speaks. We find the same thing in Isaiah 6:1-8. Notice the angelic host the surrounds the throne of God. It was these beings that included in His question just like it was the angelic host that God referred two when He said, "Let us make man in our image".
/QUOTE Scuba

One problem with this, the Angels were created by God and where does it state they were created in His image? But man was/is.
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
And who ever said Jesus was there?

 

[directline2iam]

I agree to an extent with what you are saying as there is no written proof of the word trinity in the Bible, but how do we explain the fact that Elohim is a plural expression for God and Genesis 3:22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever" ?

God is Spirit, Father is Spirit, The Word is Spirit.

 

[newbirth]

Maybe you didn’t understand me but if you can show me the verse where I am damned to hell for not believing in the trinity I will repent

Where did I say you have to believe in the trinity?

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Jesus was not created....Adam was formed from the dust of the earth Eve was mad from one of Adam's rib.

Prove to me that Jesus was not created.

 

[newbirth]

God always includes His angelic host when He speaks. We find the same thing in Isaiah 6:1-8. Notice the angelic host the surrounds the throne of God. It was these beings that included in His question just like it was the angelic host that God referred two when He said, "Let us make man in our image".
/QUOTE Scuba

One problem with this, the Angels were created by God and where does it state they were created in His image? But man was/is.
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
And who ever said Jesus was there?

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[newbirth]

Prove to me that Jesus was not created.

[SUP]58 [/SUP]Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[BlackPlatypus]

Steve is also a brother ,nephew , uncle and a host of other things how does that relate to God being triune if God says he is one you don't tell him he is three or his nature is three ...Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Exactly. God is one. And yet the holy spirit and Jesus had unique identities that God empowered.

[h=1]John 14:16-21 [/h] [SUP]16 [/SUP]And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [SUP]17 [/SUP]even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. [SUP]18 [/SUP]I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. [SUP]20 [/SUP]At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. [SUP]21 [/SUP]He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.




God is a spirit. How can we argue then? That he is not the holy spirit whom Jesus refers to?
Jesus was God. Jesus said so himself during his ministry.