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Really? Full credit? I guess that means you are going to be worshiping all three persons seated on three thrones or on one giant throne side by side then, is that right?
Since they each deserve full credit.
Everywhere? Really? One big Spirit covering every inch of space and dimensions, in hearts of believers and unbelievers, in hell, heaven and on earth and everywhere?
If it were self-explanatory, then everyone would have caught the revelation.
He is His own Word manifested in physical form in the right season. His Word is Spirit and Life. He spoke Word and it is a seed, it comes to Life in season and does what He said it will do. His spoken Word manifested in flesh as the Son of God, as prophesied for its time and the Word dwelt among us. He spoke Word from His own mouthpiece because the Spirit within was God. His Word is promised to dwell in His Bride - making Her One with Him - where She will manifest the Word for It's time and season. His Spirit within His Bride, manifesting the fruit of the Spirit and showing that She is part of Him.
That is why you cannot have three persons in the Godhead that are not of each other when God is Spirit and He is One Spirit - if anyone be part of Him, they must be One in Spirit with Him. There are SO many scriptural verses, you will need to find for yourself.
IF He is not One Spirit, we have three spirits, or we have three persons... that are not of the same Spirit so cannot be One.
By the way, so people dont get too overboard with the balance, we - as Bride - are created, born in sin and shaped in iniquity, we must be born again to receive the Holy Spirit and have eternal life. In ourselves we are not God, no man is God but the man Christ Jesus, who was not born in sin or shaped in iniquity and whose flesh body died for our sins and whose flesh body became glorified and in whose glorified body dwells the fulness of God and whose Spirit promised to come back to dwell in His Bride.
Anyway, that is all I can say, this is the thread about Trinity so I have diverted a bit, the rest is up to God. God bless.
Since they each deserve full credit.
Everywhere? Really? One big Spirit covering every inch of space and dimensions, in hearts of believers and unbelievers, in hell, heaven and on earth and everywhere?
If it were self-explanatory, then everyone would have caught the revelation.
He is His own Word manifested in physical form in the right season. His Word is Spirit and Life. He spoke Word and it is a seed, it comes to Life in season and does what He said it will do. His spoken Word manifested in flesh as the Son of God, as prophesied for its time and the Word dwelt among us. He spoke Word from His own mouthpiece because the Spirit within was God. His Word is promised to dwell in His Bride - making Her One with Him - where She will manifest the Word for It's time and season. His Spirit within His Bride, manifesting the fruit of the Spirit and showing that She is part of Him.
That is why you cannot have three persons in the Godhead that are not of each other when God is Spirit and He is One Spirit - if anyone be part of Him, they must be One in Spirit with Him. There are SO many scriptural verses, you will need to find for yourself.
IF He is not One Spirit, we have three spirits, or we have three persons... that are not of the same Spirit so cannot be One.
By the way, so people dont get too overboard with the balance, we - as Bride - are created, born in sin and shaped in iniquity, we must be born again to receive the Holy Spirit and have eternal life. In ourselves we are not God, no man is God but the man Christ Jesus, who was not born in sin or shaped in iniquity and whose flesh body died for our sins and whose flesh body became glorified and in whose glorified body dwells the fulness of God and whose Spirit promised to come back to dwell in His Bride.
Anyway, that is all I can say, this is the thread about Trinity so I have diverted a bit, the rest is up to God. God bless.
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The Trinity is one God, three persons that are not the same yet equal to each other and each deserving full credit (as you said).
That makes three persons whichever way you want to look at it. Until you can see that God is One Spirit, and that is how He is Father, Son and Holy Spirit, then you will continue to divide God into three persons that are not the same and be unable to explain how they are One.
He can be everywhere, but He is in very specific spots. If He wasn't, believers wouldn't have to seek Him, wouldn't have to enter into His courts, there wouldn't be a Holiest of holies, there wouldn't be an ark of the covenant with the Word, there wouldn't be a Throne, there wouldn't be a Bride, there wouldn't be a Kingdom, and there wouldn't be a change in people's lives. So God may be able to be anywhere and everywhere, but He is in very specific places.
To answer my own question I posed to you, His Spirit is with and in His people right now, getting them ready by the Word in Her, judging Herself by the Word that She takes and accepts in Her heart, manifesting that She abides in Him and He in Her by bringing forth fruit. That is where you can find Him, in His Word, which is Spirit and Life and should be in His people.
That is the mystery of God.
This is my last post, so God bless
That makes three persons whichever way you want to look at it. Until you can see that God is One Spirit, and that is how He is Father, Son and Holy Spirit, then you will continue to divide God into three persons that are not the same and be unable to explain how they are One.
He can be everywhere, but He is in very specific spots. If He wasn't, believers wouldn't have to seek Him, wouldn't have to enter into His courts, there wouldn't be a Holiest of holies, there wouldn't be an ark of the covenant with the Word, there wouldn't be a Throne, there wouldn't be a Bride, there wouldn't be a Kingdom, and there wouldn't be a change in people's lives. So God may be able to be anywhere and everywhere, but He is in very specific places.
To answer my own question I posed to you, His Spirit is with and in His people right now, getting them ready by the Word in Her, judging Herself by the Word that She takes and accepts in Her heart, manifesting that She abides in Him and He in Her by bringing forth fruit. That is where you can find Him, in His Word, which is Spirit and Life and should be in His people.
That is the mystery of God.
This is my last post, so God bless
MY ANSWERS UNTO YOU...
1. i will...
2. yes... just as my LORD JESUS CHRIST appeared to Paul in Acts 9:3-7
Acts 9:3-7
3. And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
4. And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5. And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
6. And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
7. And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
3. if you believe the HOLY BIBLE to be GOD'S HOLY WORD AND TRUTH then you would of notice in Genesis 19:1 it states two angels came unto Lot. and if you run your scripture verses from Genesis 19:1 it takes you back to Genesis 18:2.
Genesis 19:1
1. And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
GOD'S HOLY WORD is interwoven like a blanket from Genesis to Revelation... GOD'S HOLY WORD IS SPOKEN GODLY PERFECTION.
1. i will...
2. yes... just as my LORD JESUS CHRIST appeared to Paul in Acts 9:3-7
Acts 9:3-7
3. And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
4. And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5. And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
6. And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
7. And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
3. if you believe the HOLY BIBLE to be GOD'S HOLY WORD AND TRUTH then you would of notice in Genesis 19:1 it states two angels came unto Lot. and if you run your scripture verses from Genesis 19:1 it takes you back to Genesis 18:2.
Genesis 19:1
1. And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
GOD'S HOLY WORD is interwoven like a blanket from Genesis to Revelation... GOD'S HOLY WORD IS SPOKEN GODLY PERFECTION.
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I paraphrase. I know exactly what you are meaning, as would everyone who reads your posts. Trinitarian belief is God is three persons that are distinct and not each other, each deserving full credit and yet they are somehow One.. in essence, will or something? Someone said One in Being and yet three persons. One Being would mean...? Maybe you can put it into better words. One in Spirit? One in person? One in form? One in body? Three persons with the same mind? Please be very specific when you do
I don't need to show you one verse that 'thwarts the Trinity' because the whole Bible does... there is not one verse in the Bible that says that God is three persons who are not each other but are equal. Any other person can see you have three, right there. I seriously wonder if people can do math. There is not one verse in the Bible to support your view. There are many verses that say there is the Holy Spirit, there is Father, there is Son. But not that they are not the same God in Spirit. I have already provided enough scripture to you through both threads we have been interacting with each other on, and scripture isn't good enough. I could tell you to go back and read your whole Bible but you'll never see the Truth unless God reveals it to you. I don't hold that against you. I will ask you this, what name did the first Apostle's baptise in? Peter, Paul and the early church?
I don't need to show you one verse that 'thwarts the Trinity' because the whole Bible does... there is not one verse in the Bible that says that God is three persons who are not each other but are equal. Any other person can see you have three, right there. I seriously wonder if people can do math. There is not one verse in the Bible to support your view. There are many verses that say there is the Holy Spirit, there is Father, there is Son. But not that they are not the same God in Spirit. I have already provided enough scripture to you through both threads we have been interacting with each other on, and scripture isn't good enough. I could tell you to go back and read your whole Bible but you'll never see the Truth unless God reveals it to you. I don't hold that against you. I will ask you this, what name did the first Apostle's baptise in? Peter, Paul and the early church?
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Hi Mr. Bowman
Thank you for your reply.
I asked:
Elohim....
Are you saying that elohim is definitely plural in Genesis 1:1, whereas numerical masculine 'im' suffix Hebrew nouns are not always literally plural ? Can we really say that the 'only technically plural' elohim in Genesis 1:1 is definitely denoting multiplicity of form ? I don't believe so.
It's 'food for thought'. However, I can see that Genesis 1:2 mentions ‘spirit’ obviously, just after, or as the translation says in the genitive: “spirit of God“, as something belonging to God, I can‘t see that it is God.
If I've understood you correctly, and your main basis for emphasising a plurality within elohim in Genesis 1:1 is because elohim is used before the name of God ‘YHWH’ in scripture, as being something of significance, I have to question that idea. I would say that the creator God Jehovah is implied quite clearly to be the noun elohim (God) of Genesis 1:1, because, in essence the creation and making of the heavens and the earth is clearly indicated a number of verses after to have been performed by Jehovah YHWH… Genesis 1:1 is in reality repeated in Genesis 2:4 ...But this time the creation of everything uses the name of God YHWH as the creator.. It says:
“This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that YHWH (Jehovah) God made earth and heaven”.
Thus, by cross referencing elohim in Genesis 1:1 with Genesis 2:4, which are of the same context, and not forgetting that Genesis 2:4 tells us who the elohim is in Genesis 1:1- “YHWH LHYM” - Jehovah God, the verse seems to be that it is referring to the singular God Jehovah in Genesis 1:1 This is further verified to be a truly singular God of no multiple form by observing the grammatical construction of Genesis 1:1
Generally, as I’m certain that you are aware of, in Hebrew, the type of verb matching the noun indicates what form (number) the noun is of, plural or singular. It is a singular verb in Genesis 1:1 that refers to the noun elohim.
I’m also sure that you know; nouns with the masculine suffix ’im’ are not always literally plural, it doesn’t take much research to see that there are singular objects that are given the plural ’im’ suffix in Hebrew… The well known example is “Etsyim”, (plural) it can mean trees in Hebrew, but it can also refer to a singular tree of grandeur size and appearance if a singular tree is being spoken of. Etsyim is a well known example showing a singular object in Hebrew. Yet, it is given a plural suffix, which on it‘s initial ‘im’ suffix appearance; we would think that it denotes plurality, ‘trees’… Not always though…
By the nature of etsyim, grammatically, it is a numerical plural (i.e. denoting multiplicity) … But, where etsyim speaks of a singular tree there is no multiplicity of many trees, least of all three trees within the singular tree form … It is not a singular tree being made up of other singular trees, even if it has the ’im’ suffix. There are no other trees within the technically plural etsyim grandiose large tree.
So, to be reasonable, why would we have any need to believe that there are other “persons” or forms involved within the technically plural Hebrew noun elohim of Genesis 1:1 if it can be, and seems to be speaking of a truly singular God, especially where the singular verb “bara” (created) tends to indicate the form of the noun elohim as being of a singular form without it indicating a multiple form within. This is in comparison, with the technically plural etsyim, being a singular stand alone tree, it is definitely of a singular form without any form of other trees making up it’s composition, e.g. Grammatically speaking, is there a reasonable and logical argument that the singular etsyim tree actually consists of multiple forms within the one tree and the elohim of Genesis 1:1 follows suit ? I don’t think so.
Thank you for your reply.
I asked:
Elohim....
Are you saying that elohim is definitely plural in Genesis 1:1, whereas numerical masculine 'im' suffix Hebrew nouns are not always literally plural ? Can we really say that the 'only technically plural' elohim in Genesis 1:1 is definitely denoting multiplicity of form ? I don't believe so.
It's 'food for thought'. However, I can see that Genesis 1:2 mentions ‘spirit’ obviously, just after, or as the translation says in the genitive: “spirit of God“, as something belonging to God, I can‘t see that it is God.
If I've understood you correctly, and your main basis for emphasising a plurality within elohim in Genesis 1:1 is because elohim is used before the name of God ‘YHWH’ in scripture, as being something of significance, I have to question that idea. I would say that the creator God Jehovah is implied quite clearly to be the noun elohim (God) of Genesis 1:1, because, in essence the creation and making of the heavens and the earth is clearly indicated a number of verses after to have been performed by Jehovah YHWH… Genesis 1:1 is in reality repeated in Genesis 2:4 ...But this time the creation of everything uses the name of God YHWH as the creator.. It says:
“This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that YHWH (Jehovah) God made earth and heaven”.
Thus, by cross referencing elohim in Genesis 1:1 with Genesis 2:4, which are of the same context, and not forgetting that Genesis 2:4 tells us who the elohim is in Genesis 1:1- “YHWH LHYM” - Jehovah God, the verse seems to be that it is referring to the singular God Jehovah in Genesis 1:1 This is further verified to be a truly singular God of no multiple form by observing the grammatical construction of Genesis 1:1
Generally, as I’m certain that you are aware of, in Hebrew, the type of verb matching the noun indicates what form (number) the noun is of, plural or singular. It is a singular verb in Genesis 1:1 that refers to the noun elohim.
I’m also sure that you know; nouns with the masculine suffix ’im’ are not always literally plural, it doesn’t take much research to see that there are singular objects that are given the plural ’im’ suffix in Hebrew… The well known example is “Etsyim”, (plural) it can mean trees in Hebrew, but it can also refer to a singular tree of grandeur size and appearance if a singular tree is being spoken of. Etsyim is a well known example showing a singular object in Hebrew. Yet, it is given a plural suffix, which on it‘s initial ‘im’ suffix appearance; we would think that it denotes plurality, ‘trees’… Not always though…
By the nature of etsyim, grammatically, it is a numerical plural (i.e. denoting multiplicity) … But, where etsyim speaks of a singular tree there is no multiplicity of many trees, least of all three trees within the singular tree form … It is not a singular tree being made up of other singular trees, even if it has the ’im’ suffix. There are no other trees within the technically plural etsyim grandiose large tree.
So, to be reasonable, why would we have any need to believe that there are other “persons” or forms involved within the technically plural Hebrew noun elohim of Genesis 1:1 if it can be, and seems to be speaking of a truly singular God, especially where the singular verb “bara” (created) tends to indicate the form of the noun elohim as being of a singular form without it indicating a multiple form within. This is in comparison, with the technically plural etsyim, being a singular stand alone tree, it is definitely of a singular form without any form of other trees making up it’s composition, e.g. Grammatically speaking, is there a reasonable and logical argument that the singular etsyim tree actually consists of multiple forms within the one tree and the elohim of Genesis 1:1 follows suit ? I don’t think so.
I paraphrase. I know exactly what you are meaning, as would everyone who reads your posts. Trinitarian belief is God is three persons that are distinct and not each other, each deserving full credit and yet they are somehow One.. in essence, will or something? Someone said One in Being and yet three persons. One Being would mean...? Maybe you can put it into better words. One in Spirit? One in person? One in form? One in body? Three persons with the same mind? Please be very specific when you do
I don't need to show you one verse that 'thwarts the Trinity' because the whole Bible does... there is not one verse in the Bible that says that God is three persons who are not each other but are equal. Any other person can see you have three, right there. I seriously wonder if people can do math. There is not one verse in the Bible to support your view. There are many verses that say there is the Holy Spirit, there is Father, there is Son. But not that they are not the same God in Spirit. I have already provided enough scripture to you through both threads we have been interacting with each other on, and scripture isn't good enough. I could tell you to go back and read your whole Bible but you'll never see the Truth unless God reveals it to you. I don't hold that against you. I will ask you this, what name did the first Apostle's baptise in? Peter, Paul and the early church?
I don't need to show you one verse that 'thwarts the Trinity' because the whole Bible does... there is not one verse in the Bible that says that God is three persons who are not each other but are equal. Any other person can see you have three, right there. I seriously wonder if people can do math. There is not one verse in the Bible to support your view. There are many verses that say there is the Holy Spirit, there is Father, there is Son. But not that they are not the same God in Spirit. I have already provided enough scripture to you through both threads we have been interacting with each other on, and scripture isn't good enough. I could tell you to go back and read your whole Bible but you'll never see the Truth unless God reveals it to you. I don't hold that against you. I will ask you this, what name did the first Apostle's baptise in? Peter, Paul and the early church?
Here is what the Trinity is, as defined by scripture itself, should you ever want to learn...
- The Father is God(2 Cor 1.3, Eph 1.3, John 17.3; 1 Cor. 8.6; 1 Peter 1.3)
- God is the Father (2 Cor 1.3, Eph 1.3, John 17.3; 1 Cor. 8.6; 1 Peter 1.3)
- The Son is God(Titus 2.13; 2 Peter 1.1; John 1.3, 1 Cor. 8.6; Col 1.16-17; Heb. 1.2; Rev. 3.14; Heb. 1.10-12; 13.8; John 1.1; 8.58; 17.5; Col. 1.17; Heb. 1.2; John 16.30; Matt. 18.20; 28.20; John 3.13; Eph. 1.23; 4.10; Col. 3.11)
- God is the Son (Titus 2.13; 2 Peter 1.1; John 1.3, 1 Cor. 8.6; Col 1.16-17; Heb. 1.2; Rev. 3.14; Heb. 1.10-12; 13.8; John 1.1; 8.58; 17.5; Col. 1.17; Heb. 1.2; John 16.30; Matt. 18.20; 28.20; John 3.13; Eph. 1.23; 4.10; Col. 3.11)
- The Spirit is God(Acts 5.3-4, Cor 3.17-18, Gen. 1.2; Psa. 104.30, Matt. 1.18,20; Luke 1.35; Rom. 1.4; 8.11; Heb. 9.14; 1 Cor. 2.10-11; Psa. 139.7; Rom. 8.1-27)
- God is the Spirit(Acts 5.3-4, Cor 3.17-18, Gen. 1.2; Psa. 104.30, Matt. 1.18,20; Luke 1.35; Rom. 1.4; 8.11; Heb. 9.14; 1 Cor. 2.10-11; Psa. 139.7; Rom. 8.1-27)
- The Father is not the Son(John 3.17, 35; 5.22-23, 31-32; 8.16-18; 11.41-42; 12.28; 14.31; 17.1-26; Rom. 1.7; 1 Cor. 1.3; 15.24-28; 2 Cor. 1.2; Gal. 1.3; 4.4; Eph. 1.2; 6.23; Phil. 1.2; 1 Thess. 1.1; 2 Thess. 1.1-2; 1 Tim. 1.1-2; 2 Tim. 1.2; Tit. 1.4; Phm. 3; James 1.1; 2 Pet. 1.2; 1 John 4.10; 2 John 3)
- The Son is not the Father(John 3.17, 35; 5.22-23, 31-32; 8.16-18; 11.41-42; 12.28; 14.31; 17.1-26; Rom. 1.7; 1 Cor. 1.3; 15.24-28; 2 Cor. 1.2; Gal. 1.3; 4.4; Eph. 1.2; 6.23; Phil. 1.2; 1 Thess. 1.1; 2 Thess. 1.1-2; 1 Tim. 1.1-2; 2 Tim. 1.2; Tit. 1.4; Phm. 3; James 1.1; 2 Pet. 1.2; 1 John 4.10; 2 John 3)
- The Son is not the Spirit(Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26, 16.7)
- The Spirit is not the Son (Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26, 16.7)
- The Spirit is not the Father(Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26; Romans 8.26-27; Luke 3.21-22)
- The Father is not the Spirit(Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26; Romans 8.26-27; Luke 3.21-22)
Greetings Ra88itt...thanks for your thoughtful comments.
As we can see, if Elohim was meant to represent a monad, then why list out His creative Spirit and His creative Word immediately afterward?
The fact that this is the case lends credence to a plural Creator.
Actually, the creation of the heavens and the earth are already comprehended by the compund Hebrew noun 'haš·šā·ma·yim-wə·’êṯ -hā·’ā·reṣ' in Genesis 1.1...which, as already discussed, uses the term Elohim.
Gen 2 fills-in the details of the Creation sequence outlined in Gen 1. It also abbreviates what took '6-days' and calls it 'one day'.
Thus, the added details presented in Gen 2 merely serve to expound upon the uni-plural Creator mentioned in Gen 1 by now adding Yahweh to Elohim.
If the Creator were a monad, then why would there be the need to have three separate 'bara' creation events when man was made?
If we look to the Hebrew, man was Created, 'bara', 'bara', 'bara'....why would this be if one 'bara' should have sufficed?
Think on it...
As we can see, if Elohim was meant to represent a monad, then why list out His creative Spirit and His creative Word immediately afterward?
The fact that this is the case lends credence to a plural Creator.
Actually, the creation of the heavens and the earth are already comprehended by the compund Hebrew noun 'haš·šā·ma·yim-wə·’êṯ -hā·’ā·reṣ' in Genesis 1.1...which, as already discussed, uses the term Elohim.
Gen 2 fills-in the details of the Creation sequence outlined in Gen 1. It also abbreviates what took '6-days' and calls it 'one day'.
Thus, the added details presented in Gen 2 merely serve to expound upon the uni-plural Creator mentioned in Gen 1 by now adding Yahweh to Elohim.
If the Creator were a monad, then why would there be the need to have three separate 'bara' creation events when man was made?
If we look to the Hebrew, man was Created, 'bara', 'bara', 'bara'....why would this be if one 'bara' should have sufficed?
Think on it...
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Here is what the Trinity is, as defined by scripture itself, should you ever want to learn...
- The Father is God(2 Cor 1.3, Eph 1.3, John 17.3; 1 Cor. 8.6; 1 Peter 1.3)
- God is the Father (2 Cor 1.3, Eph 1.3, John 17.3; 1 Cor. 8.6; 1 Peter 1.3)
- The Son is God(Titus 2.13; 2 Peter 1.1; John 1.3, 1 Cor. 8.6; Col 1.16-17; Heb. 1.2; Rev. 3.14; Heb. 1.10-12; 13.8; John 1.1; 8.58; 17.5; Col. 1.17; Heb. 1.2; John 16.30; Matt. 18.20; 28.20; John 3.13; Eph. 1.23; 4.10; Col. 3.11)
- God is the Son (Titus 2.13; 2 Peter 1.1; John 1.3, 1 Cor. 8.6; Col 1.16-17; Heb. 1.2; Rev. 3.14; Heb. 1.10-12; 13.8; John 1.1; 8.58; 17.5; Col. 1.17; Heb. 1.2; John 16.30; Matt. 18.20; 28.20; John 3.13; Eph. 1.23; 4.10; Col. 3.11)
- The Spirit is God(Acts 5.3-4, Cor 3.17-18, Gen. 1.2; Psa. 104.30, Matt. 1.18,20; Luke 1.35; Rom. 1.4; 8.11; Heb. 9.14; 1 Cor. 2.10-11; Psa. 139.7; Rom. 8.1-27)
- God is the Spirit(Acts 5.3-4, Cor 3.17-18, Gen. 1.2; Psa. 104.30, Matt. 1.18,20; Luke 1.35; Rom. 1.4; 8.11; Heb. 9.14; 1 Cor. 2.10-11; Psa. 139.7; Rom. 8.1-27)
- The Father is not the Son(John 3.17, 35; 5.22-23, 31-32; 8.16-18; 11.41-42; 12.28; 14.31; 17.1-26; Rom. 1.7; 1 Cor. 1.3; 15.24-28; 2 Cor. 1.2; Gal. 1.3; 4.4; Eph. 1.2; 6.23; Phil. 1.2; 1 Thess. 1.1; 2 Thess. 1.1-2; 1 Tim. 1.1-2; 2 Tim. 1.2; Tit. 1.4; Phm. 3; James 1.1; 2 Pet. 1.2; 1 John 4.10; 2 John 3)
- The Son is not the Father(John 3.17, 35; 5.22-23, 31-32; 8.16-18; 11.41-42; 12.28; 14.31; 17.1-26; Rom. 1.7; 1 Cor. 1.3; 15.24-28; 2 Cor. 1.2; Gal. 1.3; 4.4; Eph. 1.2; 6.23; Phil. 1.2; 1 Thess. 1.1; 2 Thess. 1.1-2; 1 Tim. 1.1-2; 2 Tim. 1.2; Tit. 1.4; Phm. 3; James 1.1; 2 Pet. 1.2; 1 John 4.10; 2 John 3)
- The Son is not the Spirit(Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26, 16.7)
- The Spirit is not the Son (Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26, 16.7)
- The Spirit is not the Father(Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26; Romans 8.26-27; Luke 3.21-22)
- The Father is not the Spirit(Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26; Romans 8.26-27; Luke 3.21-22)
Maybe this will help those who do not understand Light completely (all of us? lol).
1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. (This shows that two can be one, and in fact, a million can be one, and one can be a million.)
Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
(We see here that not only can we be two and one spirit, but we can be two and one flesh. A million can be one, and one can be a million even in regards to earthen vessells/the body of Christ.)
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
(The next verse shows that God also has a soul, which is the motivated free will of the concience. We must remember that the spirit and the soul are not the same. Hebrews 4:12 shows that a soul can be motivated by another spirit by being divided from the one it is currently under the power of. Anyhow, God has a soul, according to the next verse, meaning God is a spirit of heaven (motivator), has a soul and is also a spirit of man (motivated), and God has an approachable appearance both in heaven and earth, which is the heavely vessel/appearance and earthen vessel/flesh appearance)
Psa_16:10 ForH3588 thou wilt notH3808 leaveH5800 my soulH5315 in hell;H7585 neitherH3808 wilt thou sufferH5414 thine Holy OneH2623 to seeH7200 corruption.H7845
Act_2:27 BecauseG3754 thou wilt notG3756 leaveG1459 myG3450 soulG5590 inG1519 hell,G86 neitherG3761 wilt thou sufferG1325 thineG4675 Holy OneG3741 to seeG1492 corruption.G1312
1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. (This shows that two can be one, and in fact, a million can be one, and one can be a million.)
Eph 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
(We see here that not only can we be two and one spirit, but we can be two and one flesh. A million can be one, and one can be a million even in regards to earthen vessells/the body of Christ.)
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
(The next verse shows that God also has a soul, which is the motivated free will of the concience. We must remember that the spirit and the soul are not the same. Hebrews 4:12 shows that a soul can be motivated by another spirit by being divided from the one it is currently under the power of. Anyhow, God has a soul, according to the next verse, meaning God is a spirit of heaven (motivator), has a soul and is also a spirit of man (motivated), and God has an approachable appearance both in heaven and earth, which is the heavely vessel/appearance and earthen vessel/flesh appearance)
Psa_16:10 ForH3588 thou wilt notH3808 leaveH5800 my soulH5315 in hell;H7585 neitherH3808 wilt thou sufferH5414 thine Holy OneH2623 to seeH7200 corruption.H7845
Act_2:27 BecauseG3754 thou wilt notG3756 leaveG1459 myG3450 soulG5590 inG1519 hell,G86 neitherG3761 wilt thou sufferG1325 thineG4675 Holy OneG3741 to seeG1492 corruption.G1312
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Here is what the Trinity is, as defined by scripture itself, should you ever want to learn...
- The Father is God(2 Cor 1.3, Eph 1.3, John 17.3; 1 Cor. 8.6; 1 Peter 1.3)
- God is the Father (2 Cor 1.3, Eph 1.3, John 17.3; 1 Cor. 8.6; 1 Peter 1.3)
- The Son is God(Titus 2.13; 2 Peter 1.1; John 1.3, 1 Cor. 8.6; Col 1.16-17; Heb. 1.2; Rev. 3.14; Heb. 1.10-12; 13.8; John 1.1; 8.58; 17.5; Col. 1.17; Heb. 1.2; John 16.30; Matt. 18.20; 28.20; John 3.13; Eph. 1.23; 4.10; Col. 3.11)
- God is the Son (Titus 2.13; 2 Peter 1.1; John 1.3, 1 Cor. 8.6; Col 1.16-17; Heb. 1.2; Rev. 3.14; Heb. 1.10-12; 13.8; John 1.1; 8.58; 17.5; Col. 1.17; Heb. 1.2; John 16.30; Matt. 18.20; 28.20; John 3.13; Eph. 1.23; 4.10; Col. 3.11)
- The Spirit is God(Acts 5.3-4, Cor 3.17-18, Gen. 1.2; Psa. 104.30, Matt. 1.18,20; Luke 1.35; Rom. 1.4; 8.11; Heb. 9.14; 1 Cor. 2.10-11; Psa. 139.7; Rom. 8.1-27)
- God is the Spirit(Acts 5.3-4, Cor 3.17-18, Gen. 1.2; Psa. 104.30, Matt. 1.18,20; Luke 1.35; Rom. 1.4; 8.11; Heb. 9.14; 1 Cor. 2.10-11; Psa. 139.7; Rom. 8.1-27)
- The Father is not the Son(John 3.17, 35; 5.22-23, 31-32; 8.16-18; 11.41-42; 12.28; 14.31; 17.1-26; Rom. 1.7; 1 Cor. 1.3; 15.24-28; 2 Cor. 1.2; Gal. 1.3; 4.4; Eph. 1.2; 6.23; Phil. 1.2; 1 Thess. 1.1; 2 Thess. 1.1-2; 1 Tim. 1.1-2; 2 Tim. 1.2; Tit. 1.4; Phm. 3; James 1.1; 2 Pet. 1.2; 1 John 4.10; 2 John 3)
- The Son is not the Father(John 3.17, 35; 5.22-23, 31-32; 8.16-18; 11.41-42; 12.28; 14.31; 17.1-26; Rom. 1.7; 1 Cor. 1.3; 15.24-28; 2 Cor. 1.2; Gal. 1.3; 4.4; Eph. 1.2; 6.23; Phil. 1.2; 1 Thess. 1.1; 2 Thess. 1.1-2; 1 Tim. 1.1-2; 2 Tim. 1.2; Tit. 1.4; Phm. 3; James 1.1; 2 Pet. 1.2; 1 John 4.10; 2 John 3)
- The Son is not the Spirit(Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26, 16.7)
- The Spirit is not the Son (Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26, 16.7)
- The Spirit is not the Father(Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26; Romans 8.26-27; Luke 3.21-22)
- The Father is not the Spirit(Mat 28.19; John 14.16, 15.26; Romans 8.26-27; Luke 3.21-22)
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This is a very good question. The word "trinity" is never used in the Scriptures but is to define the three parts of God. God is the creator, the alpha and omego. "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God." "Jesus Christ is the Word made flesh." The Holy Spirit is the Comforter and Teacher and lives in us. All three parts of God (Father, Son and Spirit) are mentioned as three separate parts of one God and fulfill three different purposes. We people like to name things, so one day someone came up with the word Trinity to group the three parts of God together. Hope this helps.