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Crazy4GODword

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I know this a hard debate, but God is three in One being. Like a shamrock, is three leafs in one body! Isnt that a great analogy though! :)
 
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Spokenpassage

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I remember learning about the Trinity. I believe it, even the scriptures prove it'
 
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Crazy4GODword

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I remember learning about the Trinity. I believe it, even the scriptures prove it'
Yes, amazing as it sounds, the first three verses of the bible actually proves it, its quite awesome!!!!
 

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1 John 5:7- For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
 
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How many are these? In Acts 4 God takes about 5000 men and He makes them.... OF ONE HEART AND ONE SOUL. We read the place was shaken and they were ALL FILLED with the Holy Ghost and they spoke the Word of God with boldness. So how many are they, One or about five thousand?

How can God be THREE? If God can make five thousand men ONE SOUL, how many souls are there? One or five thousand? If God has ONE SOUL how many are there three or ONE?

Let us learn from Jesus.... John 17... verse 21....That they all may be one; as thou, Father,artin me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
 
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Crazy4GODword

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How many are these? In Acts 4 God takes about 5000 men and He makes them.... OF ONE HEART AND ONE SOUL. We read the place was shaken and they were ALL FILLED with the Holy Ghost and they spoke the Word of God with boldness. So how many are they, One or about five thousand?

How can God be THREE? If God can make five thousand men ONE SOUL, how many souls are there? One or five thousand? If God has ONE SOUL how many are there three or ONE?

Let us learn from Jesus.... John 17... verse 21....That they all may be one; as thou, Father,artin me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
Joh 17:22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Lets look at water. Water is basic, its pure in its own form. Water has three stages, one of itself "water", another is gas like "steam", and the third solid "ice". Even though they are different in their very form, they are all still water.

Water does not become a stone when its solid does it?
Nor does a water become bread when its evaporated.

If ye learn of this mystery of water, then you know the key to the Trinity. For there is three, but they are inseparable in the One claim as Deity. There is only one deity which is the Lord God, but He is the Father, Jesus, and Holy Ghost. If you accept the fact that these three are the same God yet they play as individual parts, then ye know the Trinity. Or must we conclude from the beginning?

For God the Trinity even existed in the beginning of the Word of God, for the Word was God.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." As we see here the Father is at work in the beginning by creating the heavens and earth.

"The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters." As we see here the Spirit is moving over the surface of the water, the Holy Spirit of God.

"Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light." And last we see God spoke it, did not John 1:1 say the Word of God is God from the beginning, what did John 1:14 say? That the word become flesh, also known as Jesus. So we see here God spoke it with His "Word" which did in fact became flesh unto Jesus in the future.
 
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jimmydiggs

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I know this a hard debate, but God is three in One being. Like a shamrock, is three leafs in one body! Isnt that a great analogy though! :)
No, that's a heresy. Analogies just don't work.

The trinity is one being, three distinct persons.
 

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No, that's a heresy. Analogies just don't work.

The trinity is one being, three distinct persons.
If you said 'persona' I would agree with you.
 
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Crazy4GODword

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I agree to God is three in One :), anologies work to Jesus used alot of them :D
 

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Try a section from Athanasius-

3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;
4. Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance.
5. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.
6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.
7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.
8. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated.
9. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.
10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal.
11. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal.
12. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible.
13. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty.
14. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty.
15. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God;
16. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.
17. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord;
18. And yet they are not three Lords but one Lord.
19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord;
20. So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say; There are three Gods or three Lords.
21. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten.
22. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten.
23. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.
24. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.
25. And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another.
26. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal.
27. So that in all things, as aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped.
28. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.
 
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Crazy4GODword

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Try a section from Athanasius-

3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;
4. Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance.
5. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.
6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.
7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.
8. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated.
9. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.
10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal.
11. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal.
12. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible.
13. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty.
14. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty.
15. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God;
16. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.
17. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord;
18. And yet they are not three Lords but one Lord.
19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord;
20. So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say; There are three Gods or three Lords.
21. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten.
22. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten.
23. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.
24. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.
25. And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another.
26. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal.
27. So that in all things, as aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped.
28. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.
interesting, Trinity is awesome!
 
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jimmydiggs

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I agree to God is three in One :), anologies work to Jesus used alot of them :D
Parables about Christian living, and analogies about the doctrine of the Trinity one would think are a wide enough gulf apart that one could see the problems of trying to come up with human analogies for something that ultimately we have little understanding about.

If you're comfortable with using analogies that are heretical, suit yourself. I have warned you as I am commanded to do.

A three leaf clover denies the distinctiveness of the three persons of the trinity.
 
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jimmydiggs

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If you said 'persona' I would agree with you.
Modalism is a heresy, and is founded upon the evil twisting of scripture. The doctrine of the Trinity, one God, three distinct persons is the only biblical option.
 
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Spokenpassage

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Parables about Christian living, and analogies about the doctrine of the Trinity one would think are a wide enough gulf apart that one could see the problems of trying to come up with human analogies for something that ultimately we have little understanding about.

If you're comfortable with using analogies that are heretical, suit yourself. I have warned you as I am commanded to do.

A three leaf clover denies the distinctiveness of the three persons of the trinity.
Actually the three leaf clover isnt in the bible of course, the Trinity is "like" a shamrock not saying thats how to prove the Trinity exist :p
 
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jimmydiggs

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Actually the three leaf clover isnt in the bible of course, the Trinity is "like" a shamrock not saying thats how to prove the Trinity exist :p
It's not like a shamrock. A shamrock leaf is a part of the whole. Jesus isn't a "part" of the whole. Jesus is not a "part" of God.
 
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Spokenpassage

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your focusing on it too much, you need to look at it like this young man is explaining, even Saint Patrick explain this anology for the Trinity. Each leaf is different in itself, because they are separate as individual, they are one God. Isnt each leaf connected to the one plant? There you go!!
 

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Modalism is a heresy, and is founded upon the evil twisting of scripture. The doctrine of the Trinity, one God, three distinct persons is the only biblical option.
I was not implying modalism which is the belief that God first manifested himself as the Father in the Old Testament, then at the incarnation God became the Son and after Jesus' ascension God became the Holy Spirit with these 'modes' being consecutive and never simultaneous.

The Bible tells us God is at one and the same time Omnipresent (Psalm 139:7–10), Omnipotent (Revelation 19:6) and Omniscient (Psa 44:21). The nearest analogy I have heard is of someone who at one and the same time is Father, Son and Comforter. All three concepts are Biblical and perhaps I would have been better using the word 'Presence' as in the "Presence of God" which again is Biblical rather than using the word 'Persona' which may cause people to think I was speaking of modalism so I apologise for not clarifying it.

The Bible tells us God is Spirit and not three distinct persons as some would have and which for many people implies three Gods which is also heretical, so thank you for raising it.

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Spokenpassage

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I was not implying modalism which is the belief that God first manifested himself as the Father in the Old Testament, then at the incarnation God became the Son and after Jesus' ascension God became the Holy Spirit with these 'modes' being consecutive and never simultaneous.

The Bible tells us God is at one and the same time Omnipresent (Psalm 139:7–10), Omnipotent (Revelation 19:6) and Omniscient (Psa 44:21). The nearest analogy I have heard is of someone who at one and the same time is Father, Son and Comforter. All three concepts are Biblical and perhaps I would have been better using the word 'Presence' as in the "Presence of God" which again is Biblical rather than using the word 'Persona' which may cause people to think I was speaking of modalism so I apologise for not clarifying it.

The Bible tells us God is Spirit and not three distinct persons as some would have and which for many people implies three Gods which is also heretical, so thank you for raising it.

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No its not three gods tho, its One God existing in three person at the same time. The reason you cant grasp it because no one can grasp it. We arent to fully understand the trinity but it exist
 

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No its not three gods tho, its One God existing in three person at the same time. The reason you cant grasp it because no one can grasp it. We arent to fully understand the trinity but it exist
You can see though how people might think you are talking about three God's when you talk about the Three Persons of the Trinity. This is one big criticism Muslims have of Christianity.