Two Abortions and No Regrets:

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stonesoffire

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well I just had some interesting thoughts...I was thinking about the whole abortion thing and thinking about how the whole 'new' Charismatic movement started...early 70's I think? and the year 1973 came to mind

so I looked up Roe vs Wade...again, I'm not American so I am not as familiar with all your history

I got a chill when I saw the year 1973. the year the decision was brought by the Supreme Court of the United States,
was 1973

there was the huge movement towards God by teen agers and 20 somethings and what was the devil going to do?

1973

I don't think it was a coincidence and I think God just put that together in my mind now

it was not the only thing of course, but it is a major 'thing'

shrugs. don't have to believe me.

I know many here do not believe in the gifts of the Spirit...I am actually talking about a move TOWARDS God and the counter punch by the devil
I attended many catholic charismatic meetings during that time. Was an awesome period of worship by many coming together in the Holy Spirit, teaching about living in the Life of Holy Spirit, not just Catholics.

That’s a good connection you see and I agree. Kudos!
 

stonesoffire

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I think people just want to sin and not have to pay the consequences. So they can have sex all they want, if they get prego. The just kill the baby, its my life and my body.

Its the self centered generation. Which the left and socialism thrives on.
It’s fast coming to the time of no shades of gray as to who is who.

God still has His remnant.
 

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"I chose. It was my choice,” she said on “Alyssa Milano: Sorry Not Sorry.” “And it was absolutely the right choice for me.”
So if Alyssa's mother had the same politics and exercised her reproductive rights and had an abortion ...

the denial of life to others by those who have been born, and live on to have a life is the real sin.
Not understanding that every baby born becomes a living soul and has the potential to be granted life eternal by God who will judge
every single person who has ever lived in the history of the world.
And abortion does not just kill that child to be, but also denies life to their potential children and grandchildren.

The opposite of the selfishness of abortion is where parents make great sacrifices for the welfare or life of their children;
particularly in times of war or natural disasters.
 

7seasrekeyed

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I have made some comments regarding what is really at the root of abortions. I have held my own opinion for years that abortion is like child sacrifice and the devil is still delighting in it

found this article just a while back that really explains that view in detail.

the article is historical and makes the connection to todays feminism



The Bible tells us: "Our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in the heavenly places" (Ephesians 6:12).

Our enemy in fighting abortion is not the abortionist, the courts or those who are advocating for abortion rights. Our enemy is the one who was a murderer from the beginning - Satan and the spiritual forces under his command.

Throughout history, certain pagan cultures have sacrificed human infants to demons as a part of a complicated ritual in return for favors asked of them.

Few of those involved in abortion today are consciously engaging in child sacrifice, although that is precisely what abortion is - the sacrifice of a human life for the convenience or needs of others. In that respect, it is no less barbaric than the human sacrifice practiced to ensure, for example, a successful harvest. But beyond this, there is a spiritual, satanically inspired dimension that gives frightening realism to abortion's identification with literal child sacrifice.

The Bible supports this idea as often we see a particular action viewed by God as something of a more overtly occultic nature. Rebellion is called witchcraft; immorality is likened to idolatry; hatred is a kin to murder - thus abortion is child sacrifice.

The Origins of Child Sacrifice

To discover the origins of child sacrifice we can examine a key passage of scripture. Genesis 19 gives the account of Lot and his daughters, some of the early ancestors of mankind: "And Lot went up from Zoar and stayed in the mountains and his two daughters with him." Then the first born said to the younger, "Our father is old and there is not a man on earth to come into us after the manner of the earth."

Now it so happens that there were men available just a few miles away geographically. But they meant something different. The "earth" is throughout scripture a symbol of a fallen unregenerate realm. James tells us that there is a wisdom from above that is "pure and peaceable," but that there is a wisdom from below which is "earthly, natural and demonic" (James 3:15,17). In the same way that many modern feminists want men purely on their own terms, Lot's daughters wanted a man in this "manner of the earth."

"So they made their father drink wine that night and laid with him" (Genesis 19:29-38). This was a gross act of rebellion against both their father and God. As a result both daughters had children. The oldest daughter's son was named Moab. His descendents, the Moabites, ultimately became an idolatrousnation that was one of the primary enemies of God's people - Israel.

The youngest daughter's son - Ben Ammi - became the father of the sons of Ammon. 1 Kings 11:7 calls Molech "the detestable idol of the Ammonites." The name Molech in Hebrew means: "to ascend the throne" or, in other words, to usurp God's authority. Leviticus 20:2 tells us that Molech worship involved the sacrifice of one's offspring. While the Ammonites primarily sacrificed post-natal children, it is no coincidence that it is the Ammonites that God condemns in the book of Amos for a particular form of blood-thirstiness:

"For three transgressions of the sons of Ammon, and for four, will I not revoke its punishment, because they have ripped open the pregnant women of Gilead in order to enlarge their borders" (Amos 1:13).

To "enlarge one's borders" is a biblical metaphor applied not just to land, but to extend the boundaries of acceptable human conduct. How common this is still today as we hear cries of - "It's my choice" and - "Keep your religion out of my life."


Baal and Molech Worship

"And they built the high places of Baal that are in the valley of Ben-Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech" (Jeremiah 32:35).

"They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons as offering to Baal" (Jeremiah 19:5).

Here the Bible implies what modern archaeologists and anthropologists have recently discovered: that Molech and Baal represent the same pagan god. The wife of Baal is Asherah and the wife of Molech is Ashteroth. Asherah and Ashteroth represent the same fertility goddess. This demon was known to the Greeks as Aphrodite; to the Egyptians as Isis; and to the Phoenicians as Tanet.

The ancient city of Carthage was the capital of the Phoenician empire. Their civilization was advanced culturally and highly educated. But recent archaeological expeditions have revealed its most notable feature - the high incidence of child sacrifice. Archaeological relics have been uncovered, such as the altars on which children were sacrificed and stone markers, which marked the burial place of the remains. Stone carvings on the markers depict children who were sacrificed. Clay jars were used to hold the remains. Entire burial grounds full of these slaughtered children have been uncovered.

As barbaric as this sounds, we must remember that this is precisely what we do through abortion. With one obvious exception - today we don't honor or bury the children we kill.

Archaeologists have established that the primary deity that they children were sacrificed to was the goddess Tanet, the name being a regional representation of the more universal Ashteroth.

The typical rationalist would attribute these rites to superstition and would suggest that science and intellectual advancement would cause this type of unfortunate behavior to lessen and finally cease. But archaeologists have discovered that over Carthage's history, the incident of child sacrifice, even in the face of considerable intellectual advances, actually increased until it suddenly stopped.

And how did it stop? When God judged Carthage. Roman armies invaded and suddenly destroyed the entire civilization. The stark ruins of Carthage are a testimony that God is not mocked. We have to ask ourselves: How far are we from a judgment for our own abortion holocaust?
 

7seasrekeyed

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17th Century France

Another incident occurred some three hundred years ago in France. Seventeenth century France - while not as egalitarian - was still very much like western society today. There was substantial material wealth and a large leisure class obsessed with entertainment and sensual pursuits. There was great sophistication in the arts and a dramatic decline in morality. In the 18th century, the age's philosopher would be Voltaire who provided the underpinning for the "Age of Reason." Its philosophy was a reworking of the old idea that man doesn't need God, but through his own efforts, now coupled with science, he can save himself.

The king was Louis XIV who had a painting done depicting himself as a god with lightning bolts clenched in his hand. This is the essence of secular humanism: man trying to be God. Like many of the aristocrats of his time Louis was sexually promiscuous. One of his mistresses, Madame de Montespan, was so highly favored of Louis that many considered her the unofficial queen of France.

During her reign a disturbing thing began to take place. Many male members of Louis' court began dying for no discernible reason. In order to investigate what appeared to be murders, Louis employed a detective, Gabriel de La Reynie, the Lieutenant General of the police in Versaille. His inquiries led to a witch named la Voisin who provided the poisons that were responsible for the deaths. This investigation also uncovered a network of abortion services connected with satanic rituals. The following is the testimony of la Voisin's daughter at the subsequent trial:

"At one of Madame de Montespan's masses, I saw my mother bring an infant, obviously premature, and place it over a basin over which its throat was slit, and its blood drained into the chalice."

Note that the child was premature, obviously the victim of abortion. Then the cup filled with the baby's blood was lifted up to heaven and this invocation was given: "Hail Ashteroth and Asmodeus, Princes of friendship, I conjure you to accept the sacrifice of this child in return for the favors asked of you."

Ashteroth was the goddess wife of Molech. Asmodeus is a transliteration of the Hebrew name for a demon that is normally associated with lust. Aborted children were being sacrificed in a satanic ritual designed to empower the practitioners.

One might ask: why aborted prenatal children? For one thing, it is easier to mistreat or abuse someone who doesn't look just like us. This is the root of racial prejudice as well as the view that unborn children are somehow less human than ourselves. Second, since the distinction from fetus to infant relative to their humanity is in fact meaningless, the sacrifice of a fetal child serves the same purpose as the sacrifice of a post-natal child or an adult.

Modern Feminism

Today we have given the demons of human sacrifice new names: "Career" -"Convenience" - "Money" - "Lust" - "Self." But beyond this, we have come full circle; today's rationalism has given way to a new feminist spirituality that honors these same demons actually calling them by their proper biblical and historical names. Is it just a coincidence that the hottest sub-movement within the feminist movement that began to emerge just after the Roe v. Wade decision is goddess worship? One of the primary deities that is being worshipped is Aphrodite - the goddess of child sacrifice.

Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, is perhaps the best 20th century example of the destructive power of spiritual deception. That she was wallowing in deception can be seen in a quote from a book written by an admirer: "She had tried to dispel depression by sex, travel, Rosicrucianism (a cult), numerology, now she tried a new panacea - astrology." Sanger was a confirmed adulteress who consistently and publicly supported a "woman's right to destroy." She became deeply involved with Havelock Ellis, a modern day false prophet who advocated a variety of bizarre sex practices supposing them to be the keys to spiritual enlightenment and power. For Margaret Sanger and her militantly (even religiously) promiscuous lifestyle, abortion became a necessary backup for contraceptive failure.

A more recent example can be found in a newsletter published by the National Abortion Federation. It provides an account of the 1985 national convention. One of the speakers was Carter Heyward, an ordained Episcopal priest who has been active for many years in the feminist movement. This quote was taken from her address: "If women were in charge, abortion would be a sacrament, an occasion of deep and serious and sacred meaning."

That an ordained leader of a church that supposedly represents Jesus to the world could describe child sacrifice as a sacrament or holy rite of the church without facing excommunication is a staggering illustration of the collective deception we are facing as a nation.

Several other examples are found in the December 1985 issue of Ms. magazine - the undisputed leader of feminist publications. This particular issue was completely dedicated to exploring the new emerging spirituality in modern feminism. Much space was given to Goddess worship or adulation of the various demons associated with child sacrifice (including Isis and Aphrodite). The central article in this issue of Ms. is filled with testimonies showing the gross deception that has already taken captive much of our nation - men and women alike.

"The feminist spirituality movement began to emerge in the mid-1970s and has become one of the largest submovements within feminism. It's amorphous, blending in a surprisingly smooth amalgam radical feminism, pacifism, witchcraft, Eastern mysticism, goddess worship, animism, psychic healing, and a variety of practices normally associated with 'fortune-telling.' It exists nationwide and takes the form of large, daylong workshops, small meditation groups, and even covens that meet to work spells and do rituals under the full moon. But to the women in feminist spirituality, witchcraft had even a more fundamental meaning. It is a woman's religion, vilified by patriarchal Christianity, and now, finally, reclaimed."1

This represents just the tip of the iceberg as we are witnessing an explosion of books, magazines, "how-to" manuals, artwork and the inevitable paraphernalia that accompanies the development of any organized religion. In one of the few instances where they both agree, both Ms. magazine and the Bible label these various permutations of spiritual deception as - "witchcraft."

QUITE A BIT MORE TO READ HERE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED
 

Locoponydirtman

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The supreme Court ruled in favor of baby murder January 22, 1973.

This is one of the many ailments brought to us from the Frankfurt School and Critical theory that took root in eastern Europe in the early 1900s and spread it's cancer to the western world during the 1930s.
I recommend that folks study this wave of cancer because it really took off in America in the late 50s and early 60s, and it's the father of the grotesque amoral philosophy of today.

Oh and the charismatic church movement as we know it today got it's real start in America at the Azuza street revivals in 1901. But kind of fizzled until the 1960s, and then grew along side, critical theory philosophy as it spread through America.
 

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IMO, any death pleases the enemy. Be it natural, murder, suicide, etc.. When we die, he is greatly pleased..
 
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Does it look like she actually does?
Matthew 12:35-36 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
 
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Lightskin

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Thank You for your response I have been reading everyone's responses and have been pondering bailing on this group, like I said before I'm thick skinned but I can't condone this type of behavior, once again THANK YOU for being the voice of WISDOM, and Thanks for typing it all out for me I went past carpel-tunnel yrs ago.
What behavior?
 
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The oldest daughter's son was named Moab. His descendents, the Moabites, ultimately became an idolatrousnation that was one of the primary enemies of God's people - Israel.
Interestingly enough, Ruth was a Moabite and she is mentioned in the Christ line.

Matthew 1:5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;


Ruth 1:4 And they took them wives of the women of Moab; the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the other Ruth: and they dwelled there about ten years.




 
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The supreme Court ruled in favor of baby murder January 22, 1973.

This is one of the many ailments brought to us from the Frankfurt School and Critical theory that took root in eastern Europe in the early 1900s and spread it's cancer to the western world during the 1930s.
I recommend that folks study this wave of cancer because it really took off in America in the late 50s and early 60s, and it's the father of the grotesque amoral philosophy of today.

Oh and the charismatic church movement as we know it today got it's real start in America at the Azuza street revivals in 1901. But kind of fizzled until the 1960s, and then grew along side, critical theory philosophy as it spread through America.
Mr. Dirtman you could be wrong but you are definitely not wrong here :)
 

calibob

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I have made some comments regarding what is really at the root of abortions. I have held my own opinion for years that abortion is like child sacrifice and the devil is still delighting in it


17th Century France
QUITE A BIT MORE TO READ HERE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED
That's quite an expose' about what I've suspected for quite a long time. TYVM for bring it forward to us. I don't have time presently to investigate more fully however I have long believed in a demonic connection between Abortion and Baal/Asherah worship, kudos.
 

Locoponydirtman

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Mr. Dirtman you could be wrong but you are definitely not wrong here :)
Mrs. Grace, calling me Mr. Feels weird, you can just say Pony if ya like.
So this is a bit of a fun anecdote, from my troubled youth years. So when I was in High school I had a teacher called Mrs. Bean, she was my physiology teacher. One day when I was feeling particularly crass, I said why do we get called by our first names while all the teachers are called Mr or Mrs whether they deserve respect or not. She called Mr. from that day forward. Man was I puffed up in my pride. Now it just feels weird.