UFOs and Aliens

[astropolis]

For a change from the usual debates, I'd like to ask:


Is there a biblical basis to believe there may be created beings on other planets?

John 10:16 (other sheep not of this fold) might hint that there are.

We don't know. But it's really great if you want to write Christian SF, or poetry.

 

[Johnny_B]

For a change from the usual debates, I'd like to ask:


Is there a biblical basis to believe there may be created beings on other planets?

Biblical bases, no. Genesis one says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." No mention of another creation, there is a belief out there that teaches that there was a world before Genesis one, because of what Peter says in II Peter 3, they take it out of context, it's about the flood. They also believe that those souls that were part of the world are the demons.

 

[Stephen63]

Since the Anunnaki were an advanced civilization, able to traverse the vastness of space to reach this planet, to colonize it, and exploit its resources, and transfer these metals by freighter to their orbiting ship, surely there must be some evidence in the religious and secular literature that refers, at least obliquely, to the skyborne vehicles used by these ancient astronauts.
The obvious allusion which comes to mind is the "fiery chariot" of Ezekiel. It is graphically described several times in the "Book of Ezekiel" so that it cannot be dismissed as merely an aberration of the text or even a hallucination of the prophet.

[Comment: An inventor’s life-size replica of the Ezekiel Airship is on permanent display in Warrick’s Restaurant in Pittsburg, Texas, a few miles south of Interstate Highway 30, in case you are ever passing through Northeast Texas and would wish to see it - as well as have lunch or dinner in this wonderful Cajun restaurant. The replica now on display is the second rendition. The first model actually flew for a short distance before crashing. The second model has never been flown. This "sculpture" looks much like a gigantic hang-glider.]

Ezekiel is not an exception for these aerial machines appear throughout the Scriptures, although they are usually interpreted in religious and mystical terms. It is indicative of the mind-set of these translators that they refuse to recognize them for what they are.

[Comment: It should be noted that one who did not understand the principles of air travel could not have known to interpret them in any other way than by "religion" or "mysticism."]

In Ezekiel’s case it is called a fiery chariot, as if somehow this term is more acceptable, perhaps because it has mythological connotations and is the most innocuous way of dismissing a troublesome reference. Nowhere have Biblical scholars translated or referred to the various appearances of these unusual vehicles as aircraft, airships, or even space ships.
Along this vein it is interesting to note that the land-locked Hebrews referred to the airships as "chariots" while the sea-going Egyptians called them "boats of heaven."
What is not commonly perceived is that there are numerous references to airborne craft in the Scriptures, but their appearances have been masked through theological interpretation and in many cases just plain false translations.
There are various names used for the vehicles of the ancient astronauts, and we shall try to identify them and separate them by function. The space capsule or personal housing of the gods is referred to as either a "shekinah" or as a "kabod" in the Scriptures. In the books of Exodus and Ezekiel, the personal craft is called a "kabod," while in the works of the Pseudepigrapha and the Haggadah the craft is called a "shekinah." The terms seem to be interchangeable since both rest on a larger vehicle or booster platform called "cherubim."
To leave the orbiting space ship or to travel about on Earth, the composite craft or command capsule and the booster platform was sufficient, although the capsule could independently travel by itself for short distances, as seen in the case of Ezekiel.
In order to leave the Earth’s gravity and reach the orbiting space ship, the command capsule was mounted on a larger booster rocket called a "shem" in the Old Testament and "shumu" in the Sumerian literature.
The personal command capsule - the "shekinah" or "kabod" - has taken on a special significance among the ancient peoples of the Middle East, since it was considered to be the actual residence of the gods; and each civilization revered the cone-shaped object in different ways according to its own traditions.
This cone-shaped command capsule is,

• the "beth-el" of the Hebrews
• the "betyl" of the Canaanites and Phoenicians
• the "ben-ben" of the Egyptians
• the Greeks knew it as the "omphalos"

My, my, first zombie threads, & now men from outer space.

They're allowed to teach false things, for there's no rules to stop them.

 

[BeyondET]

[video=youtube;GvtZWeTFH88]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvtZWeTFH88&feature=youtu.be[/video]for sure mang

Excellent bro, I love it very good my friend, jam session yo, would be most excellent,

 

[Denadii]

John 10:16 (other sheep not of this fold) might hint that there are.

We don't know. But it's really great if you want to write Christian SF, or poetry.

I agree...There is strong evidence of past life on Mars. We do know, though, that there is life in other dimensions, as in the other heavens.

 

[Denadii]

My, my, first zombie threads, & now men from outer space.

They're allowed to teach false things, for there's no rules to stop them.

Whoa whoa Whoa! Stephen Too much coffee! Slow down! I like critiques, though not criticisms. Back up what you say with scripture....Zombie threads as you call them are still people..in that they are the thoughts and feelings of real people shared....Think of that. If you don't like 'zombie' threads, then DON'T READ THEM

 

[BeyondET]

No, not at all, nothing exist in outer darkness, . there are only stars known as fiery stones. life only exist on earth ,God's garden of all living things. where water is the basis for life.

Hey hey alrighty then, the moon Europa around Jupitor could be such a basis, as you say water is the basis for life.

 

[followjesus]

Excellent bro, I love it very good my friend, jam session yo, would be most excellent,

heck yea man, i used to play all metal lol these days im into classical like bach, beehtoven and alot in between. not much on country but rnb is also an interest. that is actually a bit from master of puppets back in the day mixed with the intro to sanitarium, what types of Music do you like to play?

 

[presidente]

Here is a video called Aliens are Demons!(Don't Be Fooled)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lp6jVh0bBA

 

[astropolis]

It's a nice hobbie I surely can agree with that, playing the guitar is my hobbie,

A short 10min story, nothing to do with model trains of coarse, but a train is used just for a example of a Fathers Love.

Which, being translated, says to the people outside the Church that God runs a railway so badly that the bridge isn't properly interlocked with the home signals, SPADs happen regularly, and unauthorised persons are in places where they cause accidents. Please, if you are going to try to draw this sort of parallel, get the technology right. Or as someone else put it about a different version of the story.

"Then,one day, as he was about to close the bridge, he noticed that his son was playing in the gears. Should he close the bridge and crush his son to death, or leave it and have the train smash into the river? In the end he sacrificed his son to save the train. Now what does that tell you about God?"
Matt detonated. "That he's no b*****, sorry Reverend, no good at running a railway."
Stone's eyebrows rose.
"Firstly the home signals should have been interlocked with the bridge bolts so that he couldn't clear the signals for a train until the bridge was closed and locked. Secondly, assuming the interlocking was there the drivers shouldn't have approached the homes when they were on-"
"On?"Stone was trying to make sense of it all.
"Showing a red light for stop."
"Ah."
"Thirdly the drivers shouldn't have approached at a speed that didn't let them stop if the signals didn't clear. That's just asking for a spad."
"What's a spad?"
"Signal passed at danger. Railway equivalent of running a red light. Fourthly the gears should have been fenced. Anyway if the kid had any brains he'd not have been there, if his parents were competent they'd have supervised him properly, and human bone would probably jam the gears tipping the train into the river anyway."
"I see. I don't understand the technical jargon, not being a railway expert, but the point is to illustrate something about God, that he's prepared to sacrifice his son."
I cut in. "But he's been sacrificed to a monumental ******, not to achieve anything. Is that what you mean?"

I've bleeped the rude words, but please remember how this looks to someone outside the church who does know how to run a railway.

 

[Denadii]

Here is a video called Aliens are Demons!(Don't Be Fooled)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Lp6jVh0bBA

Don't be fooled? Explain

 

[Denadii]

Which, being translated, says to the people outside the Church that God runs a railway so badly that the bridge isn't properly interlocked with the home signals, SPADs happen regularly, and unauthorised persons are in places where they cause accidents. Please, if you are going to try to draw this sort of parallel, get the technology right. Or as someone else put it about a different version of the story.

"Then,one day, as he was about to close the bridge, he noticed that his son was playing in the gears. Should he close the bridge and crush his son to death, or leave it and have the train smash into the river? In the end he sacrificed his son to save the train. Now what does that tell you about God?"
Matt detonated. "That he's no b*****, sorry Reverend, no good at running a railway."
Stone's eyebrows rose.
"Firstly the home signals should have been interlocked with the bridge bolts so that he couldn't clear the signals for a train until the bridge was closed and locked. Secondly, assuming the interlocking was there the drivers shouldn't have approached the homes when they were on-"
"On?"Stone was trying to make sense of it all.
"Showing a red light for stop."
"Ah."
"Thirdly the drivers shouldn't have approached at a speed that didn't let them stop if the signals didn't clear. That's just asking for a spad."
"What's a spad?"
"Signal passed at danger. Railway equivalent of running a red light. Fourthly the gears should have been fenced. Anyway if the kid had any brains he'd not have been there, if his parents were competent they'd have supervised him properly, and human bone would probably jam the gears tipping the train into the river anyway."
"I see. I don't understand the technical jargon, not being a railway expert, but the point is to illustrate something about God, that he's prepared to sacrifice his son."
I cut in. "But he's been sacrificed to a monumental ******, not to achieve anything. Is that what you mean?"

I've bleeped the rude words, but please remember how this looks to someone outside the church who does know how to run a railway.

Wow...You got that from the clip? The man let his son die so the people on the train would not be killed in a wreck. People are NOT sacrificed to a monumental ************** at all Maybe Jesus was sacrificed to a monumental mess too? The story was an analogy that you apparently missed.

 

[BeyondET]

Which, being translated, says to the people outside the Church that God runs a railway so badly that the bridge isn't properly interlocked with the home signals, SPADs happen regularly, and unauthorised persons are in places where they cause accidents. Please, if you are going to try to draw this sort of parallel, get the technology right. Or as someone else put it about a different version of the story.

"Then,one day, as he was about to close the bridge, he noticed that his son was playing in the gears. Should he close the bridge and crush his son to death, or leave it and have the train smash into the river? In the end he sacrificed his son to save the train. Now what does that tell you about God?"
Matt detonated. "That he's no b*****, sorry Reverend, no good at running a railway."
Stone's eyebrows rose.
"Firstly the home signals should have been interlocked with the bridge bolts so that he couldn't clear the signals for a train until the bridge was closed and locked. Secondly, assuming the interlocking was there the drivers shouldn't have approached the homes when they were on-"
"On?"Stone was trying to make sense of it all.
"Showing a red light for stop."
"Ah."
"Thirdly the drivers shouldn't have approached at a speed that didn't let them stop if the signals didn't clear. That's just asking for a spad."
"What's a spad?"
"Signal passed at danger. Railway equivalent of running a red light. Fourthly the gears should have been fenced. Anyway if the kid had any brains he'd not have been there, if his parents were competent they'd have supervised him properly, and human bone would probably jam the gears tipping the train into the river anyway."
"I see. I don't understand the technical jargon, not being a railway expert, but the point is to illustrate something about God, that he's prepared to sacrifice his son."
I cut in. "But he's been sacrificed to a monumental ******, not to achieve anything. Is that what you mean?"

I've bleeped the rude words, but please remember how this looks to someone outside the church who does know how to run a railway.

Almost anything can be twisted what ever this is you posted is just that, somebody didn't like it so they wanted to twist.

 

[presidente]

Don't be fooled? Explain

That's part of the name of the video.

 

[Denadii]

That's part of the name of the video.

OK...This apparently not one of my better days...Truthfully? I'm in the middle of my new book, and haven't written in two days...When I shut it down the other evening, I had two characters fighting. I think they're still fighting, and they must be getting really tired by now...That's what's on my mind...I want to get back to work, and find out who wins.

So I watched the video and I agree, long ago, that aliens are demons...But demons are not fallen angels..They are the offspring of the nephilim.

 

[Denadii]

OK...This apparently not one of my better days...Truthfully? I'm in the middle of my new book, and haven't written in two days...When I shut it down the other evening, I had two characters fighting. I think they're still fighting, and they must be getting really tired by now...That's what's on my mind...I want to get back to work, and find out who wins.

So I watched the video and I agree, long ago, that aliens are demons...But demons are not fallen angels..They are the offspring of the nephilim.

If this interests you, there are far better sources for you to go to...Try this one...LA Marzulli is much more than an armchair researcher...He is out in the field most of the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is68Oczw8SE

 

[presidente]

I believe I mentioned Hugh Ross. He is an astrophysicist with a PhD who has served as a pastor. He has said that he is one of the few astrophysicists who has interviewed those who claim to have had encounters with UFOs.

 

[presidente]

I believe I mentioned Hugh Ross. He is an astrophysicist with a PhD who has served as a pastor. He has said that he is one of the few astrophysicists who has interviewed those who claim to have had encounters with UFOs.