UFOs and Aliens

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Nauga

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you've heard people preach this, from behind pulpits?
i've seen people say it in conspiracy forums, and i know of some artists who express the idea; i've known about this interpretation for at least 15 years & expect it probably dates back to the 1950's, but that's not the same as "
the Church teaches this"

can you point me to someone on sermonaudio for example, or a church's website that has sermons available to stream/download? do you know of any published theologians who teach this?
It is true though....I don't believe any 'church' preaches it though....Christians who study it preach it though. I'm guessing that's what our friend meant.
 

posthuman

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in re: prevalence in pop culture, i have a couple observations --

aliens have been a subject of popular speculation and fiction for as long as rocket propulsion has been possible, probably longer. it may be a 'recent' phenomenon in terms of centuries but certainly not decades. the proliferation in the current day is greater because of a combination of overall exponential increase and rate of information exchange ((we just hear & communicate more about everything, and faster, as a species than ever before)) and audience-starved content providers in a crowded marketplace siezing on any subject focus group experiments point to as popular and squeezing it dry for all the entertainment value possible, and other related factors. another point is that the space 'industry' which boomed with the race to the moon has made a concerted, deliberate effort to push things such as SETI as a remedy to budget cuts in the face of dwindling public support and enthusiasm for spaceflight and research in all things cosmological.


there are economic and information-logistical reasons for the subject of aliens to appear prolific in popular media, and any survey of sci-fi literature, pulp, radio drama and films of any decade in the last 100 years will i think show little divergence from the proportion of these things containing references to alien life in such things today.

i don't think 'rising star status' means anything or carries any meaningful weight. wizards, vampires and kittens with pancakes on their heads are all similarly 'rising stars' but that's not evidence that kittens + pancakes = demonic influence, if that makes sense.
 

posthuman

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It is true though....I don't believe any 'church' preaches it though....Christians who study it preach it though. I'm guessing that's what our friend meant.
knowing what's common in this section of the forums i think he may have meant people who agree with him are his definition of 'the Christian church' and anyone who doesn't, isn't, lol.

but i'd be interested to listen to any sermons on the subject and i hope he comes back with one :)
 

MarkWilliams

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you've heard people preach this, from behind pulpits?
i've seen people say it in conspiracy forums, and i know of some artists who express the idea; i've known about this interpretation for at least 15 years & expect it probably dates back to the 1950's, but that's not the same as "
the Church teaches this"

can you point me to someone on sermonaudio for example, or a church's website that has sermons available to stream/download? do you know of any published theologians who teach this?
Please check out Charles Lawson, on sermonaudio.com he has studied the subject thoroughly. you can listen to his sermons on the subject free of charge. He provides documented evidence that supports his findings, you will be amazed at what he has uncovered.
Yes Demons are among us, they manifest themselves as Ghosts and Aliens. Their aim is to deceive the world and stop people from believing the Gospel.
 

posthuman

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Please check out Charles Lawson, on sermonaudio.com he has studied the subject thoroughly. you can listen to his sermons on the subject free of charge. He provides documented evidence that supports his findings, you will be amazed at what he has uncovered.
Yes Demons are among us, they manifest themselves as Ghosts and Aliens. Their aim is to deceive the world and stop people from believing the Gospel.
thanks! i usually have time to listen to a couple sermons a day while i commute, so i'll check him out.
 

OneFaith

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Ok I have not been in a church for almost thirty years. I'm wondering now....What do Christian churches teach about UFOs and Aliens? Or do they? I'm not asking to see an argument or any kind of dispute I'm just looking for an answer.
There might be life out there in the way of germs, but there are no other souls out there. The bible says God shares His business's with us because we are His friends. He commanded us to preach the gospel to every creature. God has never told us to do something that we cannot do. If there were souls to preach to out there, many would have died by now without hearing the gospel.

No, God is in control of all things- if there were aliens He would have had to put them there, and not loved them enough to share the gospel with them. The bible says "For God so loved the world (singular) not worlds (plural). He gave his only begotten Son for this world, do you think He's going to do it again for another world? If they were sinless they'd be in heaven, if they were sinners they'd be on the earth to hear the gospel.
 

MarkWilliams

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There might be life out there in the way of germs, but there are no other souls out there. The bible says God shares His business's with us because we are His friends. He commanded us to preach the gospel to every creature. God has never told us to do something that we cannot do. If there were souls to preach to out there, many would have died by now without hearing the gospel.

No, God is in control of all things- if there were aliens He would have had to put them there, and not loved them enough to share the gospel with them. The bible says "For God so loved the world (singular) not worlds (plural). He gave his only begotten Son for this world, do you think He's going to do it again for another world? If they were sinless they'd be in heaven, if they were sinners they'd be on the earth to hear the gospel.
There's a great documentary on youtube called "The privileged planet", it shows how the earth is the only planet in the universe capable of sustaining life.
It uses science to prove that the earth was created and it shows why the big bang theory is a lie.
 

trofimus

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What if....

What if we are not in the end of the ages, but in the mere beginning?

What if Christ will not come in our generation, after some thousand years... but after millions of years?

What if the "useless empty universe" is for us to colonize and bring life to it, first?
 

MarkWilliams

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What if....

What if we are not in the end of the ages, but in the mere beginning?

What if Christ will not come in our generation, after some thousand years... but after millions of years?

What if the "useless empty universe" is for us to colonize and bring life to it, first?
We are in the last days because Jesus said so.
Christ may not come back in our generation but it wouldn't be millions of years. It will be relatively soon
It is impossible for men to create the conditions necessary to sustain life, so that's just pure fantasy.
 

posthuman

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What if....

What if we are not in the end of the ages, but in the mere beginning?

What if Christ will not come in our generation, after some thousand years... but after millions of years?

What if the "useless empty universe" is for us to colonize and bring life to it, first?
it will be interesting to see how ''every eye shall see Him" is accomplished ((i have no doubt)) when He comes to Earth if there are humans living on the moons of Jupiter & even beyond at that time.
 

MarkWilliams

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it will be interesting to see how ''every eye shall see Him" is accomplished ((i have no doubt)) when He comes to Earth if there are humans living on the moons of Jupiter & even beyond at that time.
The very basics of Astronomy tell us that it's impossible for men to live anywhere outside of the earth, Those who are in the international space station are highly dependent on constant replenishments for their fuel, food, water and oxygen supplies.
It would be logistically impossible to ship all of the supplies necessary to support human life on distant moons, so we can safely discount the possibility.
Everyone will be right here on earth when Jesus returns and every eye will see Him. Before you ask how can every eye see Him at the same time, remember He is the almighty God who created all things and He can do anything. So it's foolish to ask how can God do something that seems impossible to our puny little minds.
 

trofimus

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it will be interesting to see how ''every eye shall see Him" is accomplished ((i have no doubt)) when He comes to Earth if there are humans living on the moons of Jupiter & even beyond at that time.
It already is happening... there is ALWAYS some crew on ISS and the human colonization of Mars is a plan for a near future...
 

trofimus

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We are in the last days because Jesus said so.
Christ may not come back in our generation but it wouldn't be millions of years. It will be relatively soon
It is impossible for men to create the conditions necessary to sustain life, so that's just pure fantasy.
There are people living on ISS, so its not just pure fantasy, we are able to create conditions to sustain life. Of course, the main problem is economical, not technological.

Jesus did not say that he will come in next 2000 or 3000 years. In Revelation He says "quickly", but its already 2000 years. Not very quick. So, it probably means something else...?
 

Nauga

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There might be life out there in the way of germs, but there are no other souls out there. The bible says God shares His business's with us because we are His friends. He commanded us to preach the gospel to every creature. God has never told us to do something that we cannot do. If there were souls to preach to out there, many would have died by now without hearing the gospel.

No, God is in control of all things- if there were aliens He would have had to put them there, and not loved them enough to share the gospel with them. The bible says "For God so loved the world (singular) not worlds (plural). He gave his only begotten Son for this world, do you think He's going to do it again for another world? If they were sinless they'd be in heaven, if they were sinners they'd be on the earth to hear the gospel.
Oh my! Where in the bible does it say God is in control of all things? You and I do agree though that there is not life on other planets outside the this system...I believe that there at least WAS life on Mars, Saturn and the planet that ones lay between Mars and Jupiter..Rahab. Rahab is now the asteroid belt.
 

JesusLives

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Elves never get treated right in those cookie factories.

I don't think there's enough of them to unionize.

Cryin shame it is.


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There has been an uprising for better wages at the factory.... Higher Wages for Elves Please!!!

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posthuman

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The very basics of Astronomy tell us that it's impossible for men to live anywhere outside of the earth, Those who are in the international space station are highly dependent on constant replenishments for their fuel, food, water and oxygen supplies.
It would be logistically impossible to ship all of the supplies necessary to support human life on distant moons, so we can safely discount the possibility.
of course it's not possible for man to live in the vacuum of space. no one is suggesting that.

that doesn't mean it's impossible to build habitations in any environment, and it's completely unnecessary to ship raw materials from earth to a place where all those materials are already found and can be processed. you would not send water and oxygen to a colony on Titan; you'd mine it from Titan itself. Saturns moons are an enormous wealth of raw material - if a star-traversing civilization were to 'pit-stop' in our solar system for refueling, either there or the Jovian system are the obvious places they'd want to first exploit.
the argument that a habitat may need to be linked by a supply line of some kind doesn't preclude the existence of such a habitat, either -- consider a place like Phoenix Arizona, for example. ridiculous heat and scarcity of water, but thriving because utilities are piped in via supply lines.


i'd submit that the determining factors for why there is no permanent human presence on our own Luna right now are socio-economic, not technological. cheap heavy-lift capability, public interest which generates financial backing and profit motive. if there was money to be made by colonizing Phoebe, we'd be there already.
 

posthuman

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Jesus did not say that he will come in next 2000 or 3000 years. In Revelation He says "quickly", but its already 2000 years. Not very quick. So, it probably means something else...?
in a lot of English Bibles the saying is translated "soon" -- which i learned is not correct, it is "quickly"
i think this means that when the last things begin to occur, they will occur in relatively rapid succession - and that His coming will be in a sense '
sudden.' i believe this isn't so much expressing the amount of time between His first and second advent ((i.e. soon, though 'soon' to the Creator of the universe doesn't mean the same thing as it does to a human who may barely live 70 years)) as it is expressing the short period in which the last things take place. :)

i take it in your native language it is translated something like "quickly" ? that's cool.
 

carl11

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OK So the answers match my research into the question.....The Christian churches don't preach on the subject...and where they do, they're wrong...Where are they wrong? Fallen angels are not demons, they are fallen angels. Demons are the offspring of fallen angels. Thank you people.
I have heard Ezekiel chapter 1 as a reference.