Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning

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2Pillars

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Genesis 1&2 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to the events of God's 6 Creative Days. That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts Gen 1 & 2 agree totally and in detail.

Since God sees the end from the beginning, Isa 46:10 He wrote the complete HISTORY of His Seven Days in the first 34 verses of Genesis. At Gen 2:4 the narrative RETURNS to the details of the THIRD Day.

[Isa 46:10 KJV] 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

In other words, the first 34 verses of Genesis tell us the ENTIRE History of God's 7 Days of Creation, including events which will NOT happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Planet. Gen 1:28-31.

Here’s a brief summary of how I read the first five verses of the the Book of Genesis - The Beginning:

Genesis 1:1 Is a Preface or Summary - The Story of the Beginning of the Physical World
Genesis 1:2 Tells us the condition of the deep - empty / void - before the making of the physical world.
Genesis 1:3 The bringing forth of the LIGHT before anything is made that was made - before the world was.
Genesis 1:4 The division of light from darkness - the first work of old.
Genesis 1:5 The evening and the morning the first day of creation.

As you can see, based on the above perspective of the cited texts, our physical heaven and earth that we know of today is still formless and void on the 1st Day of Creation. The 1st formation of the firmament of Heaven took place on the 2nd Day NOT Gen - Gen 1:6-8. Our Earth was formed/made on the 3rd Day.

God bless
 

2Pillars

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The Son of God was at the bosom of the invisible Almighty God Father before the Making of our Physical Worlds (Multiverse) in the Beginning.

YHWH or Jesus, the Son, came forth or begotten into the Physical World from the invisible Spirit of his Father when God commanded His first "Word" in the Beginning and said, “Let there be Light; and there was light(Gen 1:3). And YHWH became the Only God ever Physically formed or that ever will be Physically formed for us to see and witness. He is the Express Image of the invisible God Father, bodily.

Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses (eye witnesses), saith the LORD (YHWH), and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was No God Formed, neither shall there be after me.

The Son became the Express Image of the invisible God, bodily / physically - the only God physically formed for us to see and witness. Before him there was none,; neither there shall be after him. He was Not Created, since He was already God himself from the Beginning; from Everlasting.

YHWH or Jesus provided the Light in the Beginning of Creation (Alpha) Gen 1:3, just as He will be the Light of the New Heaven to come (Omega) ref. Rev 21:23... because, the lamb is the light thereof. His image is brighter than the noon day sun.

Rev21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Without YHWH, the Son, was Not anything made that was made, because Everything Physical was formed / made - as a potter would mold a clay - by the Physical Hands of the Only God, the Only Image, the Only Begotten Son of the Invisible Spirit of God.

When we get to Heaven, we will truly understand that the Son is our One God, for In Him dwelleth ALL of the fullness of the Godhead, Bodily.

God bless
 

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I have read Genesis SOOOOOOO many times because I see it as extremely important. Why?
Because like building a house, if you do not fully understand concrete and level measurements, nothing built above it will ever be totally correct. Problems can arise due to a poor foundation.

Genesis 3 is the one I have read the most though.
 

2Pillars

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I have read Genesis SOOOOOOO many times because I see it as extremely important. Why?
Because like building a house, if you do not fully understand concrete and level measurements, nothing built above it will ever be totally correct. Problems can arise due to a poor foundation.

Genesis 3 is the one I have read the most though.
I agree my friend. That is why I am very careful in trying to build my BiblicaStand with solid Foundation as I go along the way. Here are some of the details I see with regards to the continuing topic.

The beginning of our Cosmos is dated at some 13.7 Billion years ago, in man's time, scientifically speaking... BUT was on the 3rd Day of Genesis in God's time.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

Adam was a living soul and lived with YHWH, the Son of God, as his meet, for Billions of years, before, he disobeyed and was made in a perfect body with Shekinah Glory on the 3rd Day. But lost his glory after he disobeyed the 1st commandment of the Lord and sinned on the 6th Day.

The world of Adam (1st heaven or the garden of Eden) was an enclosed Biosphere much much smaller than our earth, which was totally surrounded by the firmament which protected it from the waters above and below it - into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8 .

Adam was physically formed (like a potter would mold a clay) on the 3rd Day, BEFORE the First Stars, which were not made and put forth it’s light until the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 - millions of years after the Big Bang. He was BEFORE any other creature brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21. This included the creation of the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) originated from the waters some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time.

In the Day, Adam and his generations were Created spiritually in the image and likeness of God (Gen 1:26-27) - both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; sent out of the garden of Eden; Cain had already killed Abel; and the creation event took place during the Seth’ generations; only after Man began to call upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26) ...and repent.

Gen 5:1-3
v1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
v2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
v3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

Of course, Cain, who was a Murderer and a Liar from the beginning, could NOT have been made in the image or likeness of God. Therefore, not everybody is created in the image and likeness of God from natural birth, unless, one is Born Again, spiritually in Christ.

1 Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

God bless
 
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When one wishes to comment on Genesis 1, he must remember that this secret plan of restoration of all things was revealed by the Most High and Almighty God to Moses particularly only about 2,500 years after Adam or two and a half days. One Day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one Day. Many many things had already happened in the world or in the earth in this first period from Adam to Moses. If you study deeply this biblical matter, you will see that Noah was born around 1,000 years after Adam, even in the transition from the first to the second Day.

In accord biblical Chronology, we can number our days, beginning in Genesis chap.5, as follow:

Adam lived ….....................................................130 yrs and begat Seth
Seth lived ..........................................................105 yrs and begat Enosh;
Enosh lived ..........................................................90 yrs and begat Kenan;
Kenan lived...........................................................70 yrs and begat Mahalalel;
Mahalalel lived ...................................................65 yrs and begat Jared;
Jared lived ..........................................................162 yrs and begat Enoch;
Enoch lived ..........................................................65 yrs and begat Methuselah;
Methuselah lived.............................................187 yrs and begat Lamech;
Lamech lived ....................................................182 yrs and begat Noah;
From Noah´s birth until the Flood...........600 yrs.
Total of yrs from Adam to the Flood = 1,656 yrs.

The world before Moses was one, after the coming of Moses it was no longer the same, the world changed a lot, actually it was another kind of world, in other words there was a new "modus vivendi" established by the Most High and Almighty God on the Earth, spiritually the first HEAVEN, with the creation and development or formation of the people of Israel and all heavenly things of the Old Testament. Heaven is not the physical space of Universe, but celestial places or environments in Christ as is written in Eph.1:v.3-4 among others: Read and understand: 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with ALL spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:

The student or researcher must be focused in these details for a deep interpretation of the works that God had already accomplished through this long period of time from Adam to Moses as is written in the book of Genesis. Until Moses the world was one, after Moses the world that existed was totally changed, God gave birth to Moses to fulfill His spiritual plan of restoration of all things after the serious/grave events that happened in the garden of Eden. (Acts 3:v.18-26)

Furthermore, it is also indispensable to meditate on what the Word - God - reveals in Hebrews 11: v.3 which says: The worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. God is a title, the Word is God, the invisible God.

Again:

The world before Moses was one, after the coming of Moses it was no longer the same, the world changed a lot, actually it was another kind of world, in other words there was a new "modus vivendi" established by the Most High and Almighty God on the Earth, spiritually the first HEAVEN, with the creation and development or formation of the people of Israel and all heavenly things of the Old Testament, material and spiritual.

It is very important to say that with the coming of JESUS, again God made a strong changing in the whole Earth, establishing a new "modus vivendi" here in the earth through JESUS and a New Testament, spiritually the 2nd HEAVEN, as is written in Eph.1:v.3-4, for example. Next is the Kingdom of God, which God plannes to establish in this seventh and last millennium, the Millennium of Christ, or seventh and last Day. This is / will be the 3rd HEAVEN where JESUS is now.

Now unto the King Eternal, Immortal, Invisible, the only Wise God, be Honour and Glory for ever and ever. Amen.
 

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As you can see, based on the above perspective of the cited texts, our physical heaven and earth that we know of today is still formless and void on the 1st Day of Creation. The 1st formation of the firmament of Heaven took place on the 2nd Day NOT Gen - Gen 1:6-8. Our Earth was formed/made on the 3rd Day.
This is pure speculation.
 

crossnote

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The beginning of our Cosmos is dated at some 13.7 Billion years ago, in man's time, scientifically speaking... BUT was on the 3rd Day of Genesis in God's time.
God is not short on words...

And the evening and the morning were the first day. v.5
And the evening and the morning were the second day. v.8
And the evening and the morning were the third day. v.13
And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. v.19
And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. v23
And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. v.31

That was expressed in man's time. Billions of years is a modern fantasy.
 

crossnote

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One Day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one Day. Many many things had already happened in the world or in the earth in this first period from Adam to Moses. If you study deeply this biblical matter, you will see that Noah was born around 1,000 years after Adam, even in the transition from the first to the second Day.
Another fantasy. Notice the words 'is as'? That is called a simile, and it is not saying one day IS a thousand years with God. It's simply a comparison of the sensation of time duration between God and man.
 

crossnote

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BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

Adam was a living soul and lived with YHWH, the Son of God, as his meet, for Billions of years,
Yup, Ripley's 'Beleive It Or Not', in this case it is pure conjecture and I don't believe it.
 
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It's simply a comparison of the sensation of time duration between God and man.
What prevails is the Word of God. There is not any fantasy in the Word of God, what your spirit says is not true.

The Word of God says:
But, beloved, be not IGNORANT of this one thing, that one Day (Day(s) of Genesis 1) is with the Lord as a 1.000 years, and 1.000 years as one Day.

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the Day of Judgment -the Judgment Seat of Christ - and perdition of ungodly men.
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 
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Another fantasy. Notice the words 'is as'? That is called a simile, and it is not saying one day IS a thousand years with God. It's simply a comparison of the sensation of time duration between God and man.
What you are saying has nothing to do with the Word of God, it is an invention of the false preachers of the Word of God, by the way, false prophets, your spirit are saying what you have learned from the false prophets.

Moses said in his pray to the Lord God: a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past,
 

2Pillars

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Dear Brother in Christ,

Each of God's Days is NOT 24 hours since the word days comes from the Hebrew word Yowm which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity. A Day is a period of labor and God has ONLY 6 periods of labor when He is working to make His perfect Heaven and fill it with perfect mankind.

The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest in Gen 1&2, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture. The 7th Day has no End.

In fact, today, God continues to create sinners in Christ which means that we live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns

A Yowm in Gen 1&2 is a period of Labor or work when God is doing His work of creating. There is NO time limit or number of days, years, etc. A good example is the Scriptural Fact that TODAY remains the 6th Creative Day of God.... and the 6th Day will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned which is AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years. Revelation 20:5

The dating of the Ancient Religious Leaders and Archbishop James Ussher does NOT agree with the observed Truth of History. A good example is the below which shows that the first Human cities were built (some are still with us) by Noah's great grandsons some 10k years ago. Gen 10:10

http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

God bless
 

2Pillars

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Most people don't know the difference between God's time and man's time.

God has but 7 Days and Today is the still the 6th Day of Genesis. At the end of this present 6th Creative Day, Heaven will be complete, and all believers will be there. When Heaven is brought to Perfection, God will rest for Eternity, the 7th Day, which has No end.

Man's time began on the 4th Day and depends on the movements of the Sun, Moon, and Stars. Since God is present, but also beyond this Universe, He is Not subject to the movements of our Stars. Man's time is temporal and will cease when this Universe is burned. God's time is Eternal.

A good example of this Scriptural Truth is when YHWH - the Son of God - told Adam that he would surely die IN THE DAY he disobeyed his commandment. Adam did Not die physically within 24 hours, for he lived to be 930 years old as shown in Gen 5:5. Adam did not die Spiritually because God doesn't make mistakes and those who are born Spiritually are born Eternally.

Did Satan tell A&E the Truth, and YHWH lie to them? There is only One way the LORD can be right, and that is for Today to be the 6th Day. All mankind has lived and died on the present 6th Day. God will Not rest until His Creation is made Perfect.

God bless
 

KnowMe

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God is not short on words...

And the evening and the morning were the first day. v.5
And the evening and the morning were the second day. v.8
And the evening and the morning were the third day. v.13
And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. v.19
And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. v23
And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. v.31

That was expressed in man's time. Billions of years is a modern fantasy.
Exactly expressed in mans time when it was spoken to them, not by clocks.
 

KnowMe

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Evening and Morning wasn’t calculated, they used sun dials and star watching, evening and morning was a period of unknown time to them, when there’s light but no visual of the sun to gauge time on a sun dial. it’s about 18min in the evening and morning.
 

2Pillars

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When one wishes to comment on Genesis 1, he must remember that this secret plan of restoration of all things was revealed by the Most High and Almighty God to Moses particularly only about 2,500 years after Adam or two and a half days. One Day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one Day. Many many things had already happened in the world or in the earth in this first period from Adam to Moses. If you study deeply this biblical matter, you will see that Noah was born around 1,000 years after Adam, even in the transition from the first to the second Day.

In accord biblical Chronology, we can number our days, beginning in Genesis chap.5, as follow:

Adam lived ….....................................................130 yrs and begat Seth
Seth lived ..........................................................105 yrs and begat Enosh;
Enosh lived ..........................................................90 yrs and begat Kenan;
Kenan lived...........................................................70 yrs and begat Mahalalel;
Mahalalel lived ...................................................65 yrs and begat Jared;
Jared lived ..........................................................162 yrs and begat Enoch;
Enoch lived ..........................................................65 yrs and begat Methuselah;
Methuselah lived.............................................187 yrs and begat Lamech;
Lamech lived ....................................................182 yrs and begat Noah;
From Noah´s birth until the Flood...........600 yrs.
Total of yrs from Adam to the Flood = 1,656 yrs.

The world before Moses was one, after the coming of Moses it was no longer the same, the world changed a lot, actually it was another kind of world, in other words there was a new "modus vivendi" established by the Most High and Almighty God on the Earth, spiritually the first HEAVEN, with the creation and development or formation of the people of Israel and all heavenly things of the Old Testament. Heaven is not the physical space of Universe, but celestial places or environments in Christ as is written in Eph.1:v.3-4 among others: Read and understand: 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with ALL spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:

The student or researcher must be focused in these details for a deep interpretation of the works that God had already accomplished through this long period of time from Adam to Moses as is written in the book of Genesis. Until Moses the world was one, after Moses the world that existed was totally changed, God gave birth to Moses to fulfill His spiritual plan of restoration of all things after the serious/grave events that happened in the garden of Eden. (Acts 3:v.18-26)

Furthermore, it is also indispensable to meditate on what the Word - God - reveals in Hebrews 11: v.3 which says: The worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. God is a title, the Word is God, the invisible God.

Again:

The world before Moses was one, after the coming of Moses it was no longer the same, the world changed a lot, actually it was another kind of world, in other words there was a new "modus vivendi" established by the Most High and Almighty God on the Earth, spiritually the first HEAVEN, with the creation and development or formation of the people of Israel and all heavenly things of the Old Testament, material and spiritual.

It is very important to say that with the coming of JESUS, again God made a strong changing in the whole Earth, establishing a new "modus vivendi" here in the earth through JESUS and a New Testament, spiritually the 2nd HEAVEN, as is written in Eph.1:v.3-4, for example. Next is the Kingdom of God, which God plannes to establish in this seventh and last millennium, the Millennium of Christ, or seventh and last Day. This is / will be the 3rd HEAVEN where JESUS is now.

Now unto the King Eternal, Immortal, Invisible, the only Wise God, be Honour and Glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Dear Oseas,​
The chronology of Adam's years as a "living"started counting only after he was Born Again spiritually in the Image and Likeness of God during Seth’ generations. That's also why Eve is called the "Mother of all the living". Biblically speaking, those who are NOT yet born again spiritually are considered by the Scripture as "Dead" and not "Living".​
Therefore, the number of years of those who were not yet born again spiritually, are NOT INCLUDED in record of the chronology of the number of years as a "LIVING" in the image and likeness of God - as recorded in the Genealogy listings in the Scripture - from the birth Jesus thru Mary’s womb back to Seth .... simply because they are considered "Dead" and not "Living" by the Scripture. The number of LIVING - days/years - started counting only after being Born Again spiritually in the image and likeness of God. Why? Again, simply because....
He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err. Mar 12:27
Therefore, the basis of dating methodology leaves thousands of years more .... (if not double).... to be added to the flawed estimated numbers of years to the Universal Flood of 6K (?) only ... at the time Noah set foot on this present planet of ours.
Note: Adam lived with Jesus for Billions of years before he disobeyed because he was made in a perfect body with a Shekinah Glory like that of Jesus. Adam lived in a body like those which Christians will have in heaven and so did Eve. Some denominations teach that death came into the world then, but Scripture shows that death came unto mankind (Heb-Adam) because he sinned.​
God bless​
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As Crossnote said

Evening and morning

Science says that if the eath rotated much faster or slower, that life could not survive. So the rotation of the earth MUST have been the same then as today

If people want to help science with creation. Look to the flood. The flood answers all questions which science says proves the earth is billions of years old.


Aws typical with hebrew writing. We have genesis 1 and 2. God created the heaven and earth, and the earth was without form and void (its original state). This is a general statement God created the heavens and earth

After this we have a more detailed explanation of this creation (6 days)

After this we are given a more detailed explanation of the creation of man.

God created the worled as we would call it (aged) or in other words. Capable os sustaining life and all that is with it, Including the starts, which shone its light on earth on the DAY they were created, for the reason they were created.

It is all simple. But people want to make it complicated, because they think science is right, so instead of making science fit the word, they make the word fit the bible
 

KnowMe

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As Crossnote said

Evening and morning

Science says that if the eath rotated much faster or slower, that life could not survive. So the rotation of the earth MUST have been the same then as today

If people want to help science with creation. Look to the flood. The flood answers all questions which science says proves the earth is billions of years old.

Aws typical with hebrew writing. We have genesis 1 and 2. God created the heaven and earth, and the earth was without form and void (its original state). This is a general statement God created the heavens and earth

After this we have a more detailed explanation of this creation (6 days)

After this we are given a more detailed explanation of the creation of man.

God created the worled as we would call it (aged) or in other words. Capable os sustaining life and all that is with it, Including the starts, which shone its light on earth on the DAY they were created, for the reason they were created.

It is all simple. But people want to make it complicated, because they think science is right, so instead of making science fit the word, they make the word fit the bible
And your mind is stuck on time clocks minutes and seconds, God created everything from one breath plural a breath. You haven’t a clue what a day is if you didn’t have your mechanical clock.
 
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And your mind is stuck on time clocks minutes and seconds, God created everything from one breath plural a breath. You haven’t a clue what a day is if you didn’t have your mechanical clock.
Again, Science proves how fast the earth has too rotate. And we know that evening and morning are based on the earths rotation/

So unless it took the earth how long do you all claim? Hundreds? Thousands of yer? To rotate one time on its axis.

We must take the word for what it says, and not what we WANT it to say

So mocking me will not help your cause that is unscientific in all areas of the word.