Understanding God’s election
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“but when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,”
Galatians 4:4
“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
Hebrews 2:14-15, 17-18 KJV
Galatians 4:4
“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”
Hebrews 2:14-15, 17-18 KJV
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God's definition of "death" is separation from Him.
You are making the HUGE mistake of thinking that Adams fall is the "future/eternal death".
This only happens after the GTW judgement in the lake of fire.
This is DEFINTELY not the case today, despite the inane ignorant ravings of the Calvinites.
We living souls are NOT created "eternally dead", already condemned.
And if we were already condemned at birth, Christ would have come in vain,
because it would have been too late as the FINAL JUDGEMENT WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN RENDERED!
And FINAL JUDGEMENT has NOT yet been rendered. It is yet future. Get it?
Christ came to give us RENEWED life, eternal life, abundant life, and reverse the curse.
This is definitely possible under the present state of circumstances of man.
Adam was separated, yes. But only by degrees. Not completely, not permanently.
Why? Because the Bible makes clear that Adam was a "special case". Thats why.
His sacrificial love being the crucial factor.
I mean God is certainly on speaking terms with mankind right?
Adam did not keel over after he ate the fruit right?
Adam was not cast immediately into the lake of fire right?
God was interacting with Adam and Eve and their progeny post fall right?
God has made covenants with men right?
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And AGAIN, the clueless Calvinites got all of this "spiritually dead" business ALL WRONG man.
They get it all wrong I'm telling you.
You are making the HUGE mistake of thinking that Adams fall is the "future/eternal death".
This only happens after the GTW judgement in the lake of fire.
This is DEFINTELY not the case today, despite the inane ignorant ravings of the Calvinites.
We living souls are NOT created "eternally dead", already condemned.
And if we were already condemned at birth, Christ would have come in vain,
because it would have been too late as the FINAL JUDGEMENT WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN RENDERED!
And FINAL JUDGEMENT has NOT yet been rendered. It is yet future. Get it?
Christ came to give us RENEWED life, eternal life, abundant life, and reverse the curse.
This is definitely possible under the present state of circumstances of man.
Adam was separated, yes. But only by degrees. Not completely, not permanently.
Why? Because the Bible makes clear that Adam was a "special case". Thats why.
His sacrificial love being the crucial factor.
I mean God is certainly on speaking terms with mankind right?
Adam did not keel over after he ate the fruit right?
Adam was not cast immediately into the lake of fire right?
God was interacting with Adam and Eve and their progeny post fall right?
God has made covenants with men right?
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And AGAIN, the clueless Calvinites got all of this "spiritually dead" business ALL WRONG man.
They get it all wrong I'm telling you.
me teach? lol all I know is that he said he wanted me to be the spark that ignights the flame so hopefully I can be that. after all it only takes a spark to make the fire burn but you are right this is a good work any thing I can do to bring others closer to him that is my greatest joy
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Yup. Definitely.
Why? Adams was a spectacular super genius for one thing.
Oh and then there is this:
Adam was a "type of Christ" in many unique phenomenal ways.
[Gen 1:26 KJV]
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[Heb 1:3 KJV]
Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
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Adam was a VASTLY more elevated creation than the Calvinites opine.
They think that he was a foppish, stupid knuckle dragging fool.
Weak, pathetic, easily manipulated, a doormat for the Woman etc etc.
Yes, they have posted these types of descriptions. Sick.
The facts are that Adam SUCESSFULLY resisted Satan when 1/3 of mighty angels fell.
Adam was NOT DECIEVED by the most powerful and wisest created being in all of existence!
Why? Adams was a spectacular super genius for one thing.
Oh and then there is this:
Adam was a "type of Christ" in many unique phenomenal ways.
[Gen 1:26 KJV]
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[Heb 1:3 KJV]
Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
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Adam was a VASTLY more elevated creation than the Calvinites opine.
They think that he was a foppish, stupid knuckle dragging fool.
Weak, pathetic, easily manipulated, a doormat for the Woman etc etc.
Yes, they have posted these types of descriptions. Sick.
The facts are that Adam SUCESSFULLY resisted Satan when 1/3 of mighty angels fell.
Adam was NOT DECIEVED by the most powerful and wisest created being in all of existence!
I agree. Based on Gods character and nature and How He deals with mankind throughout His word.....It was no surprise to them after eating the fruit(a fig IMO.) God most likely explained, in detail, what the specifics of 'death' entailed.
Adam was not deceived. And was a type of Christ. Adam eating the fruit......was an attempt to save her. And IMO was the hardest and most thought provoking decision a natural man has ever made.....He was not deceived.
Adam was not deceived. And was a type of Christ. Adam eating the fruit......was an attempt to save her. And IMO was the hardest and most thought provoking decision a natural man has ever made.....He was not deceived.
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