Understanding God’s election

[lrs68]

LOL. If read correctly there is no maybe. Those given WILL come. ALL. Just as Jesus said.

But Jesus said and clarified whoever comes He doesn't say all will.

 

[Magenta]

But Jesus said and clarified whoever comes He doesn't say all will.

He said all given to Him will come. Not some might and some won't.

John 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

 

[Cranberry]

And still in Genesis Cain and Abel offered sacrifice without God commanding it and men suddenly began to think about God after the birth of Seth's son without God coming onto the scene and instructing man. They simply did it because they wanted to do it.

Genesis 3:21. God used animal skins to cover their nakedness for which they were ashamed and because of the fall.

Those skins came from what we may presume as slaughtered animals.
The dead animal,the sacrifice of those lives,metaphorically and literally covered the sin of Adam and Eve.

Clearly the sacrifices Cain and Abel made in Genesis 4 were purposed . And because they were taught to do so by God.

Because making a sacrifice to cover sins isn't something that otherwise occurs to the mind of men if they are dead in their sins,unconscious as to the full import of their condition that separates them from God.

Which is why we know being dead and separated from God we cannot of our choosing bridge that gap and come alive of our own choice so to understand the things of God.

 

[lrs68]

He said all given to Him will come. Not some might and some won't.

John 6:37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

No He said the Father gave Him all but He said only whoever comes He will never cast out.

 

[Magenta]

No He said the Father gave Him all but He said only whoever comes He will never cast out.

It does not say that at all. It says whoever the Father gives to Jesus will come. Not that all are given and some might say no.

"Read this verse correctly." you say and then you butcher it.

 

[lrs68]

Genesis 3:21. God used animal skins to cover their nakedness for which they were ashamed and because of the fall.

Those skins came from what we may presume as slaughtered animals.
The dead animal,the sacrifice of those lives,metaphorically and literally covered the sin of Adam and Eve.

Clearly the sacrifices Cain and Abel made in Genesis 4 were purposed . And because they were taught to do so by God.

Because making a sacrifice to cover sins isn't something that otherwise occurs to the mind of men if they are dead in their sins,unconscious as to the full import of their condition that separates them from God.

Which is why we know being dead and separated from God we cannot of our choosing bridge that gap and come alive of our own choice so to understand the things of God.

And we see no request from God for sin offering but they do it willingly.

 

[lrs68]

It does not say that at all. It says whoever the Father gives to Jesus will come. Not that all are given and some might say no.

No, whoever is only used about who comes that the Father has given to Him.

 

[Magenta]

No, whoever is only used about who comes that the Father has given to Him.

All that are given by the Father to Jesus will come. You sure love to butcher the text.

 

[lrs68]

All that are given by the Father to Jesus will come.

Jesus said whoever comes. God so loved the world that whoever believes will be saved. Same meaning.

 

[Magenta]

Jesus said whoever comes.

All given will come. That is literally what the text says. But you butcher it.

 

[lrs68]

All given will come. That is literally what the text says. But you butcher it.

In John 6 there's all the disciples of Jesus who came and followed but in chapter 6 all but the 12 left. So they come but not all stay. Hence the whoever.

 

[Genez]

"All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out."

“This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

The Father only gives the Son those whom the Father was able to draw to Himself. John 6:35-44

If it were not about free will?
That Father would skip the drawing part.
Why draw them then if no free will?

Romans 1:18-25 even speaks of some who rejected God's drawing.
God punished them for it!


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[Cranberry]

And we see no request from God for sin offering but they do it willingly.

We saw a sin offering by God when he covered two sinners with the skin of animals killed for that purpose.

We read in the Old Testament almost all sacrifices up to the time of Moses save for one by Cain were blood sacrifices.

These were not something people imagined as a thing to do all in their own. Especially being offerings to God's pleasure.

“For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have give it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.” Leviticus 17:11

That being an ordinance of God there in Leviticus do we dare imagine blood sacrifices prior in Genesis were the invention of man alone? And then God caught up to the practice by ordaining it in that verse?

 

[lrs68]

We saw a sin offering by God when he covered two sinners with the skin of animals killed for that purpose.

We read in the Old Testament almost all sacrifices up to the time of Moses save for one by Cain were blood sacrifices.

These were not something people imagined as a thing to do all in their own. Especially being offerings to God's pleasure.

“For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have give it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.” Leviticus 17:11

That being an ordinance of God there in Leviticus do we dare imagine blood sacrifices prior in Genesis were the invention of man alone? And then God caught up to the practice by ordaining it in that verse?

We only see God clothed them in skins. There's no mention of a sin offering.

 

[Cranberry]

In John 6 there's all the disciples of Jesus who came and followed but in chapter 6 all but the 12 left. So they come but not all stay. Hence the whoever.

An example of, many are called but few are chosen.


Hence, proof as Jesus said to be true. No one can come to Him unless the Father draws them. And those the Father gives Him He will in no wise cast out.

 

[Cranberry]

We only see God clothed them in skins. There's no mention of a sin offering.

Not true.

 

[lrs68]

An example of, many are called but few are chosen.


Hence, proof as Jesus said to be true. No one can come to Him unless the Father draws them. And those the Father gives Him He will in no wise cast out.

I'm on the side God calls us to Him. I'm also on the side after we're called we must obey that calling because we just don't do it because we're being called to do it.

 

[lrs68]

Not true.

In that text of Scripture there's no mention the skins given to Adam and Eve were from a sin sacrifice.

 

[Cranberry]

In that text of Scripture there's no mention the skins given to Adam and Eve were from a sin sacrifice.

Who wrote Genesis?

 

[Kroogz]

John 6:65
And he(Jesus) said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

30 So having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now proclaiming to mankind that all people everywhere are to repent, 31 because He has set a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all people by raising Him from the dead.”

Read this verse correctly.

The Father gives the Son people to come to Him.

But the whoever comes indicates if they choose to come then they will.

Hello. Don't let the calvies distract ya from the meaning of this verse.

The Father has given ALL THINGS to the Lord Jesus Christ and ALL THINGS will come to Him. Whoever(MAN/any and everywhere) comes to Him will in no wise be cast out. The intended truth here is ,He is given all things and whoever comes to Him will never be cast out......Eternal security and He will never lose anything the Father has given Him.

The calvies want to make it about election/predestination/salvation of individuals. However, the over arching truth is the Father has given Christ everything everywhere and He will rule over it. and He will never lose any of it.