Understanding God’s election
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All men includes all kings and all that are in authority, not some elect group. Are all kings saved? Are all that are in authority saved?
1 Timothy 2:
2 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1 Timothy 2:
2 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Yes to me it’s a very bizarre view of God that he tells man one thing but it’s really a secret pre planned thing that nothing you do impacts it either way . That he says everyone will be judged by thier words and deeds but that’s wrong apparently . That he says he loves the world and wants all men to come to repentance and be saved but apparently that’s wrong . That he says he died for all mankind’s sin but apparently that’s wrong . That he sent the gospels call promising salvation out from Jerusalem to everyone so they could hear of Jesus and believe and be saved ….but apparently that’s also wrong .
this place is like the twilight zone sometimes to me
this place is like the twilight zone sometimes to me
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Exactly. And that is the entirely predictable response from you or any hard-boiled Calvinite.
[Mat 15:14 KJV]
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
And unlike you and you cabal, I understand PERFECTLY what that means.
And it could not POSSIBLY be more clear.
[Mat 15:14 KJV]
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
And unlike you and you cabal, I understand PERFECTLY what that means.
And it could not POSSIBLY be more clear.
Don't worry those who adhere to traditional correct soteriology are here.
Indoctrination is a real thing and as much as it can be "out there" people really believe this stuff.
I remember when the doctrine of the selection was a fringe idea and most Christians regarded it as outside mainstream traditional Christianity, we have several high profile teachers to blame for its widespread acceptance unfortunately.
Indoctrination is a real thing and as much as it can be "out there" people really believe this stuff.
I remember when the doctrine of the selection was a fringe idea and most Christians regarded it as outside mainstream traditional Christianity, we have several high profile teachers to blame for its widespread acceptance unfortunately.
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Yes the gospel from the first promises was for all people
“and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”
Genesis 12:3 KJV
“and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
Genesis 22:18
“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”
Isaiah 49:6
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,”
Titus 2:11 KJV
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 KJV
People have read about Israel’s remnant and applied it to everyone so they think there is a chosen group
“and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”
Genesis 12:3 KJV
“and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.”
Genesis 22:18
“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.”
Isaiah 49:6
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
Matthew 24:14 KJV
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,”
Titus 2:11 KJV
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
2 Peter 3:9 KJV
People have read about Israel’s remnant and applied it to everyone so they think there is a chosen group
Yes I think scripture tells us it was an issue even in their day and so they gave us these really clear and stark warnings tbat show so clearly right now
“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:1-4 KJV
at he apostles understood after truth comes fallacy like Eden and they knew the destruction ot would reap on the church
“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
2 Peter 2:1-2 KJV
The way of truth which many reject and call fallacy because they hears other things and chose
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
Bit we part from his word into things we invent and create
“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
2 Timothy 4:1-4 KJV
at he apostles understood after truth comes fallacy like Eden and they knew the destruction ot would reap on the church
“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
2 Peter 2:1-2 KJV
The way of truth which many reject and call fallacy because they hears other things and chose
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32
“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:37 KJV
Bit we part from his word into things we invent and create
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