Understanding God’s election
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Romans 9
Proverbs 16:4
The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.
Revelation 20
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
2 Timothy 1:9 Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began...
Revelation 13:8And all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
Matthew 25
Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
Proverbs 16:4
The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.
Revelation 20
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
2 Timothy 1:9 Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began...
Revelation 13:8And all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
Matthew 25
Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
Good enough. Now Cranberry has said these verses are in error. The subject is that God did not create a people to be damned. Now, I don't want you to add more verses, add to the verses or take away from them. Simply tell me why these verses are in error to the subject we are talking about.
1. He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
2. For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
3. Now the tax collectors and sinners were all drawing near to hear him. And the Pharisees and the scribes grumbled, saying, “This man receives sinners and eats with them.” So he told them this parable: “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. ...
I am sure it is but I also think at the very least @Rufus is willing to explain his stance while I couldn't get @brightfame52 to do the same
In reality, Calvinism is man centered. Man is so evil and corrupt, he wins the wrestling match with God every time. God can't overcome mans true power.
Calvinism brags about upholding Gods Sovereignty, But the last 6000 pages is ALL about man and how dirty rotten he is.
I pray all here see this deception. If you would spend as much time studying about Gods benevolence as you do about mans wickedness....You might start seeing the truth.
Calvinism brags about upholding Gods Sovereignty, But the last 6000 pages is ALL about man and how dirty rotten he is.
I pray all here see this deception. If you would spend as much time studying about Gods benevolence as you do about mans wickedness....You might start seeing the truth.
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Oh trust me, I have been here before through the years. You know what bothers me brother Blain? I spent over 20yrs in evangelistic ministry with the very purpose to spread the Gospel that Jesus Saves to the lost. And I can tell you it was a wonderful thing to see people come to the Lord and be saved. To get free of their chains and addictions, sin that bound them. And the people in the congregation would gather round them and welcome them into the family of God. I saw it time and time again. And as weary in body and mind sometimes that I was, it always made my heart burst with joy to see one lost sinner come home. And I come here and these regulars are trying to tell me that I am in error. That these people cannot be saved, that God doesn't even love them enough to save them and created them for destruction!!! And they say I am the one who is arrogant? Who is unloving?? Stunning!! JESUS SAVES!!! I will NEVER stop telling it, not to the end of my days! God loves the sinner, He grieves over the lost and wants ALL to be saved. His Word says it, I believe it, that settles it!! Glory to God!
ps Sorry for the sermon, but I was feelin' that. That'll preach!
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You are in error because your premis is that those verses prove God does not create people for destruction.
They cannot do that because there exist verses that state God does create people for destruction.
That he wrote the names of those he would Save in the Book of Life before the creation of the world where Sinners would come to exist tells us as does He,anyone whose name is not written in His Book of Life will be cast into the lake of fire.
Those names were written before the foundation of the world.
They cannot do that because there exist verses that state God does create people for destruction.
That he wrote the names of those he would Save in the Book of Life before the creation of the world where Sinners would come to exist tells us as does He,anyone whose name is not written in His Book of Life will be cast into the lake of fire.
Those names were written before the foundation of the world.
They can and they do. So I am not in error. That means either God lies or you're misunderstanding Scripture. Because I am not using my own words but the Word.
No, that's not what is said. Now you're adding to Scripture. Now, kindly go through the verses and show my error. Again, I will wait. I have some time on my hands this evening.
No, that's not what is said. Now you're adding to Scripture. Now, kindly go through the verses and show my error. Again, I will wait. I have some time on my hands this evening.
I am so glad you got to do all that you are a true blessing in my eyes, I myself have no greater joy than when I hear that God used me to bring people closer to God to see that spark ihnite in their hearts and to see how his spirit just overflows in their words.
I don't think I have done very much in that regard or at least I haven't seen the results but I love my work here in cc to me this site is a planting field and you know that zeal you just had was fantastic that is what I like to see
I don't think I have done very much in that regard or at least I haven't seen the results but I love my work here in cc to me this site is a planting field and you know that zeal you just had was fantastic that is what I like to see
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God gave a clear call to me when I was in my teens. I went to my mother upset and in tears, I wasn't sure what I was feeling, but I knew it was God calling. I was about 16 yrs old when I began to travel with my family. God took us so many places, more than I ever dreamed I would see. And we went wherever we were asked to go as long as we were allowed to preach Jesus Saves. We didn't preach denomination, most places didn't even know our home church. We simply wanted to see people come to know the Lord. I recall one place where three sister in their 60s had attended church all their lives but had never heard that they needed to be saved. All three became born again that very morning!! Talk about rejoicing!! I thank God He allowed me to be a very small part of seeing people come to know him. We use to sing the following song called Jesus Saves. It is still one of my most favorite songs, though I sang it hundreds of times.
Jesus Saves
Jesus saves, He still does
He′ll make of you someone new Cleanse the sin that was
The Holy Spirit whispers
No more must you be enslaved
Just believe it
Jesus saves
We talk of Heaven's beauty
and that′s good
We talk of loving others
and we should
But to a dying world the greatest thing that we can say
Is "Take a look at Calvary, Jesus saves"
Jesus saves
He still does
He'll make of you someone new Cleanse the sin that was
The Holy Spirit whispers No more must you be enslaved
Just believe it
Jesus saves
We have heard the joyful sound
Jesus saves, Jesus saves
Spread the tidings all around Jesus saves Jesus saves
Jesus saves He still does
He'll make of you someone new Cleanse the sin that was
The Holy Spirit whispers No more must you be enslaved
Just believe it
Jesus saves
Jesus saves
He still does He′ll make of you someone new Cleanse the sin that was
The Holy Spirit whispers No more must you be enslaved
Just believe it, Jesus saves
The Holy Spirit whispers No more must you be enslaved
Just believe it
JESUS SAVES
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You've shown it yourself.
When verses are posted that state The Lambs Book of Life was written before the foundation of the world,that's it.
You claim the verse doesn't say that.
You claim Romans 9 and the reference to vessels made for destruction in the allegory or parable of the potter doesn't say that when it does.
That's not true.
When verses are posted that state The Lambs Book of Life was written before the foundation of the world,that's it.
You claim the verse doesn't say that.
You claim Romans 9 and the reference to vessels made for destruction in the allegory or parable of the potter doesn't say that when it does.
That's not true.
You will never know this side of heaven how many people you have touched. But one day you will see the faces of the ones that you spoke the Gospel to and what a glad day that will be! Don't let anyone stop you or bring you down. God has put this compassion for the lost in our hearts for a reason. Each one can reach one. We want to see everyone there, even the Calvinists. Joking, joking.
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Please...let's stick with the one, solitary under consideration, okay? Let's try to avoid verbose tangents, rabbit trails and unrelated scriptures or theological opinions.
So, I'm going to advance ahead and take your answer as "YES", and you believe that John meant by "whole world" in 1Jn 2:2 each and every Jewish and Gentile believer in the absolute universal sense, since there are only two groups of biblical nations in the world in which each and every person resides. If what I just said about this particular passage expresses your belief, do nothing. If it doesn't post your different understanding here. Tomorrow I"ll walk you through that particular passage, assuming you do agree.
So, I'm going to advance ahead and take your answer as "YES", and you believe that John meant by "whole world" in 1Jn 2:2 each and every Jewish and Gentile believer in the absolute universal sense, since there are only two groups of biblical nations in the world in which each and every person resides. If what I just said about this particular passage expresses your belief, do nothing. If it doesn't post your different understanding here. Tomorrow I"ll walk you through that particular passage, assuming you do agree.