Understanding God’s election
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What I do not understand is how you can reconcile Calvinism, with verses such as the one below.
Romans 11:17
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and
became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree.
The Gentiles were grafted into the cultivated olive tree but that was after Israel was grafted out.
How can any Gentile be chosen from eternity past when we, were not grafted in until 2000 years ago?
Ephesians 2:12
Remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel,
and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Once again Rufus, how can a Gentile be chosen from eternity past?
Romans 11:17
But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and
became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree.
The Gentiles were grafted into the cultivated olive tree but that was after Israel was grafted out.
How can any Gentile be chosen from eternity past when we, were not grafted in until 2000 years ago?
Ephesians 2:12
Remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel,
and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Once again Rufus, how can a Gentile be chosen from eternity past?
It really does not misrepresent scriptures, Greek is a gendered language.
The question becomes what does one do with something that contradicts what they have been taught?
The question becomes what does one do with something that contradicts what they have been taught?
Jesus didn't teach in Greek. And the effort to revoke God's Sovereign word and Dominion is shame filled. Stop that!
Kehillah in Ephesus 2:8-9
Orthodox Jewish Bible
(Ephesians 2)
For by unmerited Chen v’Chesed Hashem you have been delivered from Hashem’s Mishpat (Judgment) and granted a share in the Geulah (Redemption), through emunah; and this is not [an einfal (intuitive idea)] of yourselves, it is a matnat Hashem (gift of G-d);
9 Not the result [of the zchus (merit)] of doing ma’asim (works) [Ac 15:1; Ga 5:3 4], so that before Hashem no man should be a ravrevan (boaster, braggart). [DEVARIM 9:5]
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Ephesians 2:8-9
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8 For gar by ho grace charis you have been eimi saved sōzō through dia faith pistis, and kai this houtos is not ou of ek yourselves hymeis, it is the ho gift dōron of God theos; 9 it is not ou of ek works ergon, so that hina no mē one tis may boast kauchaomai.
Faith wasn't also of God,as he said in Eohesians. And why?
“There is none who understands, there is none who seeks for God” (Romans 3:11)
Something others here might notice. Those who repeatedly boast they save themselves by their choice.
A direct and repeated contradiction of Scripture in just 1 Corinthians 2.
“There is none who understands, there is none who seeks for God” (Romans 3:11)
Something others here might notice. Those who repeatedly boast they save themselves by their choice.
A direct and repeated contradiction of Scripture in just 1 Corinthians 2.
How does one seek for what one can not see, nor hear?
The Son makes God seeable and hearable.
Man can now seek God because of the Son.
Jesus came to seek the lost. Men responded.
No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only begotten God,
Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him
[He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him
and He has made Him known]. John 1:18
The Son makes God seeable and hearable.
Man can now seek God because of the Son.
Jesus came to seek the lost. Men responded.
The same limitless power of His grace and ability to reconcile people to Himself, and unite them
into one body, the church.
Ephesians 1:19-21
And what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance
with the working of the strength of His might which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him
from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority
and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.
Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,
to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
The gospel is the full power of God piercing the darkness with the truth.
"For God, who said, 'Let light shine out of darkness,' has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge
of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."
The key phrase in Ephesians is, "in Him", everything predestined is always "in Him".
1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power.
into one body, the church.
Ephesians 1:19-21
And what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance
with the working of the strength of His might which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him
from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority
and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come.
Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,
to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
The gospel is the full power of God piercing the darkness with the truth.
"For God, who said, 'Let light shine out of darkness,' has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge
of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."
The key phrase in Ephesians is, "in Him", everything predestined is always "in Him".
1 Corinthians 4:20
For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power.
God gives Faith to His Elect for the acknowledging of the Truth of the Gospel, which acknowledging is Godliness Titus 1:1
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
God given Faith does give correct thinking to the Elect in regards to the Truth of the Gospel !
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
God given Faith does give correct thinking to the Elect in regards to the Truth of the Gospel !
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