Understanding God’s election

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Cameron143

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@Cameron143 You cannot believe for them.

We are free to choose Christ......And You should be witnessing that fact to them every minute of the day.


Equal Privilege, equal opportunity for ALL.

He died for us, ANYONE can believe/trust in Him for their salvation.

Please, please don't tell them that you can believe for them!.....It is their personal choice.
Do you even read my posts?
No one is free of their nature. All choices are governed by the Spirit or the flesh. You believe people people acting in the flesh do godly things. I don't believe that's possible.
 

Kroogz

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Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking
in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from
the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
Genesis 3:8
I said with an inquiring mind.

Not a calvie mind.
 

Kroogz

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Do you even read my posts?
No one is free of their nature. All choices are governed by the Spirit or the flesh. You believe people people acting in the flesh do godly things. I don't believe that's possible.
And You don't read mine.

We are depraved.......GOD DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
 

BillyBob

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Has God already saved all His people? Sometimes when I read 2 Tim 1:9 I am convinced that this may be true. Notice that everything is spoken of in the past tense! He does not say God will save us, but rather God has saved us!
When we turn to Christ it is because of the HS changing or heart to believe and put our trust in the work of our savior rather than ourself. It results in a love for Him and knowing that He paid the price and we are forgiven.
But perhaps we were saved long before this took place. Maybe we only realize this after the work of the HS.
 

Cameron143

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And You don't read mine.

We are depraved.......GOD DID SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
What did God do about our depravity? He made a way for us to be reconciled to Himself, but that doesn't change our hearts, and therefore, our natures until He takes out our stony hearts and gives us hearts of flesh.
 
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What did God do about our depravity? He made a way for us to be reconciled to Himself, but that doesn't change
our hearts, and therefore, our natures until He takes out our stony hearts and gives us hearts of flesh.
"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven" refers to those who recognize
their spiritual poverty and dependence on God, which by definition excludes free willers.
 

lrs68

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Now, you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. If God allows everyone to be themselves, how come it He who is complete control of man's ways? Why did God cut Pharaoh off at the knees after he did such a dismal job of hardening his own heart? Why did God pour gasoline on an open fire? After God imposed Himself upon Pharaoh, he had zero chance to be himself and completely control his own eternal destiny. And, yet, you FWwers insist that God wants everyone to be saved. He wants no one to perish!
If you had read the entire Egypt story you can easily see the new Pharaoh who did not know Joseph and hated the Hebrew people was the same person throughout the entire episode even to his death. I really don't think you know a whole lot about this story at all. You can't even get Pharaoh correct.
 

lrs68

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Since that's the case and God had to "eventually" impose his will upon Pharaoh to achieve his purpose, then there's no way you can logically posit from the scriptures that God didn't do that with Pharaoh sooner rather than later. After all, Ps 105:25 explicitly teaches that God turned the hearts of all Egyptians to hate the Hebrews.
I can because the Bible tells us that Pharaoh hardened his own heart and later said God permanently hardened Pharaohs heart. It's in the correct order as the Spirit of God wanted us to read it.
 

HeIsHere

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I am confident that the Gospel message is preached to those kids.( He never fails to convict/convince us of His Cross.)

Behind closed doors , Every calvie here tries to convince the ones they love to trust Christ.

But, in the debate realm, they try to convince us of their theology.
Interesting.

"Stealth Calvinism" ... apparently it is a real thing.

But if he cannot say Jesus died for you... the Gospel is completely void of any real application to the individual.
 

HeIsHere

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You should apply for a job at spellcheck.

And you don't understand the reformed reason on soteriology. It is evident from your posts, as it is with many. Your use of the word...selection...is simply one example.
Actually I was thinking of linguistics... fascinating field.

You know this argument of "you don't understand" reformed reasoning on the plan of salvation does not really help your position at all.
It seems to imply a special "gnosis"

But maybe the reality is people cannot understand it because it is not biblical and over complicated.

After Paul did say.... "Be careful, do not stray from the simplicity of the Gospel!" (2 Corinthians 11:3)
 

lrs68

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Has God already saved all His people? Sometimes when I read 2 Tim 1:9 I am convinced that this may be true. Notice that everything is spoken of in the past tense! He does not say God will save us, but rather God has saved us!
Paul's Letters were written to established churches that after he began continued onward past his own death. So Paul is writing to current Believers. And when you write to someone that has already been saved and still saved it should be written in the [past tense].

What we should never forget is that each Letter was to a current Church. So Paul is addressing the specific Church not the entire body of Believers. But for anyone saved reading these Letters, it will also be [Past Tense] because you are already saved.
 

Magenta

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As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world. For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified
by the truth. I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message.