Understanding God’s election
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You are correct. I was just making the logical inference to Studier's appeal to Abel as, apparently, being the first believer. Re Eve, there are two passages that provide evidence she was indeed a believer after God reconciled her to Himself in Gen 3:15. Conversely, no such evidence exists for Adam.
How so? When Scripture says there are none good, does it mean some are good but we will ignore that for now? When Scripture says we all fall short, does it mean we all fall short, or does it mean there are some who meet God's standards, but we are not talking about them right now? When Scripture says, "The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned..." Does it mean the natural man can understand the spiritual things of God? Does it mean he really can understand the gospel message even though it is heard as foolishness to him as Scriptures say? Is the natural man gifted with wisdom even though he has no fear of God which is the beginning of wisdom, according to Scripture? Will the lover of darkness come into the light even though Scripture says he will not, because he suppresses the truth of God in unrighteousness and is a lover of darkness, is actually defined as darkness itself, hates the light, and is a slave to sin, blinded to the truth and captive to the will of the devil, which many define as being free? Is the heart of the natural man, the stony ground that it is, fit for receiving and growing the Seed of God's Word into faith? Will that incurably wicked heart choose of its own accord to believe? Do you know how many here say everyone hears even though that contradicts what Jesus said? So odd to see so many claim when these verses about the natural man are given, claim they are being taken out of context when they are universal axioms.
The Reformed or “Calvinists,” as they are all too frequently identified, have been viewed as pairing almost dualistically “the nothingness of man” with “the overmastering power of God,” and, accordingly, as teaching a fundamentally predestinarian or deterministic theology—whether in utter accord with Calvin's thought or in a further, negative development of it. (p. 21)
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Just another repugnant try. Whenever you care to get into analyzing Scripture in context and truly comparing Scripture with Scripture from that basis, if you even know what this means, let me know. Until then you're just some guy using lube terminology to make it sound like you know something while throwing everything into a bizarre nothingness of man theory of Scripture and explaining away God's commands. You put forth some lube terminology and then can't even see context of a piece of Scripture let alone the full counsel of God's Word. One joke after another...
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The Reformed or “Calvinists,” as they are all too frequently identified, have been viewed as pairing almost dualistically “the nothingness of man” with “the overmastering power of God,” and, accordingly, as teaching a fundamentally predestinarian or deterministic theology—whether in utter accord with Calvin's thought or in a further, negative development of it. (p. 21)
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Asked and answered. Follow the links. Do some work for a change. When you find the humility to ask graciously and respectfully for help, I know a few of us who will forgive your bad behavior and become your best friends.
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The Reformed or “Calvinists,” as they are all too frequently identified, have been viewed as pairing almost dualistically “the nothingness of man” with “the overmastering power of God,” and, accordingly, as teaching a fundamentally predestinarian or deterministic theology—whether in utter accord with Calvin's thought or in a further, negative development of it. (p. 21)
Do your own research. Why should anyone here show you things from Scripture or explain things to you. If it doesn't fit your bizarre nothingness of man theory all you've got is trash-talk in response.
Would you like to go through all of Scripture and study idolatry and how there have always been men of faith on the earth and how God overcomes idolatry? Of course not. I already know your modified TULIP nothingness of man theology so what's the point... A little proof-texting and disregard of context with some 3-in-1 nonsense claim goes a long way in your mind. Pointless.
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Do your own research. Why should anyone here show you things from Scripture or explain things to you. If it doesn't fit your bizarre nothingness of man theory all you've got is trash-talk in response.
Would you like to go through all of Scripture and study idolatry and how there have always been men of faith on the earth and how God overcomes idolatry? Of course not. I already know your modified TULIP nothingness of man theology so what's the point... A little proof-texting and disregard of context with some 3-in-1 nonsense claim goes a long way in your mind. Pointless.
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First you say, do your own research, then you offer to help. Dizzy-dizzy double minded. I do understand that you are very committed to your traditions of man and un-Biblical philosophical point of view. You are so committed to it you have added a prequel to all of your recent posts that contradicts how God sees man. So very strange that you brag about your credentials and put yourself forward as a teacher of Scripture when you cannot even acknowledge that God sees flesh as grass. Of course in your man-exalting theology it does not come as a surprise.
Isaiah 40 verses 6B-8 ~ All flesh is like grass, and all its glory like the flowers of the field. The grass withers and the flowers fall when the breath of the LORD blows on them; indeed, the people are grass. The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever.
Isaiah 40 verses 6B-8 ~ All flesh is like grass, and all its glory like the flowers of the field. The grass withers and the flowers fall when the breath of the LORD blows on them; indeed, the people are grass. The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever.
The Reformed or “Calvinists,” as they are all too frequently identified, have been viewed as pairing almost dualistically “the nothingness of man” with “the overmastering power of God,” and, accordingly, as teaching a fundamentally predestinarian or deterministic theology—whether in utter accord with Calvin's thought or in a further, negative development of it. (p. 21)
All men of faith highlighted. Context in communications. Catch up if you really want to participate. Ask for help.
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All men of faith highlighted. Context in communications. Catch up if you really want to participate. Ask for help.
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Good CHOICES being made here. Pretty good deal for supposedly doomed Hivites.
[Jos 9:9 NKJV]
So they said to him: "From a very far country your servants have come, because of the name of the LORD your God; for we have heard of His fame, and all that He did in Egypt,
[Jos 9:10 NKJV]
"and all that He did to the two kings of the Amorites who [were] beyond the Jordan--to Sihon king of Heshbon, and Og king of Bashan, who was at Ashtaroth.
[Jos 9:24 NKJV]
So they answered Joshua and said, "Because your servants were clearly told that the LORD your God commanded His servant Moses to give you all the land, and to destroy all the inhabitants of the land from before you; therefore we were very much afraid for our lives because of you, and have done this thing.
[Jos 9:25 NKJV]
"And now, here we are, in your hands; do with us as it seems good and right to do to us."
[Jos 9:9 NKJV]
So they said to him: "From a very far country your servants have come, because of the name of the LORD your God; for we have heard of His fame, and all that He did in Egypt,
[Jos 9:10 NKJV]
"and all that He did to the two kings of the Amorites who [were] beyond the Jordan--to Sihon king of Heshbon, and Og king of Bashan, who was at Ashtaroth.
[Jos 9:24 NKJV]
So they answered Joshua and said, "Because your servants were clearly told that the LORD your God commanded His servant Moses to give you all the land, and to destroy all the inhabitants of the land from before you; therefore we were very much afraid for our lives because of you, and have done this thing.
[Jos 9:25 NKJV]
"And now, here we are, in your hands; do with us as it seems good and right to do to us."
Deuteronomy chapter 9 verses 3-5 But understand that today the LORD your God goes across ahead
of you as a consuming fire; He will destroy them and subdue them before you. And you will drive them
out and annihilate them swiftly, as the LORD has promised you. When the LORD your God has driven
them out before you, do not say in your heart, “Because of my righteousness the LORD has brought
me in to possess this land.” Rather, the LORD is driving out these nations before you because of their
wickedness. It is not because of your righteousness or uprightness of heart that you are going in to
possess their land, but it is because of their wickedness that the LORD your God is driving out these
nations before you, to keep the promise He swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
of you as a consuming fire; He will destroy them and subdue them before you. And you will drive them
out and annihilate them swiftly, as the LORD has promised you. When the LORD your God has driven
them out before you, do not say in your heart, “Because of my righteousness the LORD has brought
me in to possess this land.” Rather, the LORD is driving out these nations before you because of their
wickedness. It is not because of your righteousness or uprightness of heart that you are going in to
possess their land, but it is because of their wickedness that the LORD your God is driving out these
nations before you, to keep the promise He swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Seeing that it's the father [dad] thing to teach the sons to offer sacrifice like Cain and Abel did unto God....so it's most likely Adam taught them when he himself offered sacrifices to God.
Cain and Abel didn't just wake up one day and thought I will make a sacrifice and offer it to God because as a natural born human being that is what I know I should do. < Literally impossible for a Reformed doctrine follower to ever consider as a possibility.
Since it's most logical to think Adam taught Cain and Abel to offer sacrifice to God it's very likely to think Adam repented and offered sacrifices for his sins and his labor yield.
No doubt that Adam saw sacrifice first hand when God made him clothing from the skins of animals that had to die for his own sins and to cover his nakedness.
Sometimes logic just needs to be part of the equation when the Bible isn't specific about something. Yeah, I realize that is a difficult thing for the Reformed to accept.
Cain and Abel didn't just wake up one day and thought I will make a sacrifice and offer it to God because as a natural born human being that is what I know I should do. < Literally impossible for a Reformed doctrine follower to ever consider as a possibility.
Since it's most logical to think Adam taught Cain and Abel to offer sacrifice to God it's very likely to think Adam repented and offered sacrifices for his sins and his labor yield.
No doubt that Adam saw sacrifice first hand when God made him clothing from the skins of animals that had to die for his own sins and to cover his nakedness.
Sometimes logic just needs to be part of the equation when the Bible isn't specific about something. Yeah, I realize that is a difficult thing for the Reformed to accept.