Understanding God’s election

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studier

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AGAIN: I'll be very happy to defend my interpretation of 1Cor 15:9-10 as soon as you give me a straight "yes" or "no" answer to the rhetorical question in Jer 13:23. (Comprende?)
Since you know I've answered you already and pointed you to follow the links back to find the answer, this fallacious tactic of Argument of Repetition leaves you asserting that you don't have to answer your interpretation of 1Cor since you posit falsely that I haven't answered you. You've got tools, I'll grant you that, albeit they're all fallacious argumentation methods that go along with your eisegetical methods. You clearly revel in the negative and are not to be trusted to get to Truth.
 
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"Free will" in the Bible? ~ Freedom is something believers are called to (Galatians 5 verse 13). We need Jesus to “set us free” (Galatians 5 verse 1). If Jesus has not freed us from the bondage of sin, then we are still slaves to sin (Romans 6 verses 6-7). Freedom is found in the presence of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3 verse 17). Only Jesus can give us true freedom (John 8 verse 36). Only through His lovingkindness can we truly make choices unfettered by a nature that is inherently hostile toward God.
 

Cameron143

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"Free will" in the Bible? ~ Freedom is something believers are called to (Galatians 5 verse 13). We need Jesus to “set us free” (Galatians 5 verse 1). If Jesus has not freed us from the bondage of sin, then we are still slaves to sin (Romans 6 verses 6-7). Freedom is found in the presence of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3 verse 17). Only Jesus can give us true freedom (John 8 verse 36). Only through His lovingkindness can we truly make choices unfettered by a nature that is inherently hostile toward God.
This is a really good point. If we are already free, why does Jesus need to set us free? And just exactly what is He freeing us from and for?
 
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This is a really good point. If we are already free, why does Jesus need to set us free? And just exactly what is He freeing us from and for?
Thankfully the Bible does answer these questions, but the person who upholds the false doctrine of free will disagrees with the Bible on these matters, and thinks they are justified by inserting their imagined free will of the natural man when the freed will of the spiritual man is spoken of, because by and large they have no discernment when it comes to defining who is the natural man and who is the spiritual man, as we can see by how often they ascribe to the former man characteristics, qualities, and abilities that only the latter man is in possession of, and they compound their error by insisting that the natural man is not such a bad guy after all, despite all that is said of him in the negative, repeatedly, from the beginning of the Bible in Genesis to the very last book of Revelation, and he -the natural man, according to the free willer- has everything he needs in order to grow the good fruit of faith from the stony ground of his incurably wicked heart which is inherently opposed to the things of God, though he cannot change himself, being a lover of darkness who suppresses the truth in unrighteousness as a slave to sin and being hostile in his mind to God, blinded to the truth.