United States in End Time Prophecy

[Wansvic]

A correct understanding of end time prophecy hinges on having a solid starting point.

Some prophecy teachers teach that the Beast in Revelation 19 consists of Babylon=Lion, Media Persia=Bear, Greece=Leopard, Rome=10 horn beast. The Bible actually contradicts that belief. Daniel 8:20-21 reveals that Media-Persia is symbolized by a Ram, and the Rough Goat is the symbol of Greece.

As is the case with all erroneous beliefs, the bible if taken as the ultimate authority has the ability to wash away wrong beliefs. As such, providing the opportunity for truth to prevail in the minds of those in pursuit of God's truth.

The nations referenced in Revelation will exist at the time of the end. Are there nations existing today whose symbols parallel the Revelation account? The answer is yes. Great Britain=Lion, Russia=Bear, Germany=Leopard, And, United States=Eagles wings.

In Daniels vision the eagles wings are plucked out of the Lion. In the Revelation account. the wings are no longer on the Lion. Why? Because America was part of Great Britain until 1776. In 1776, America stood on its own. Think "Uncle Sam." This is further revealed in Daniel 7:4:

"The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it."

Note the eagle's wings are pictured assisting the woman (Israel) in Revelation 12. One can easily conclude that it represents United States intervening on Israel's behalf during its persecution by satan prior to the second coming of Jesus.

Consider that the end time Whore of Babylon rides on a scarlet (red) beast. Red is the color of communism. Again, the beast is nations upon whom she, Mystery Babylon, rides. (Rev. 17:1-2) The end time will see a coalition between Catholicism (religious leader-Pope) and a communistic/marxist one world governmental system having the antichrist as it's political leader. I believe the absence of Eagles wings shows the U.S. will not be part of this one world government.

United States has drifted far from the Godly principles of its origin. Nonetheless we know that all things are possible with God. And that God's word does not return void. As such, we can stand in the gap through prayer. (2 Chron. 7:14)

It has crossed my mind that circumstances taking place as a result of the decisions of this political administration may not be a bad thing. The seemingly negative possibility that America may take a back seat as a superpower may in fact be for the best. It would certainly be a way for the country to maintain her nationalistic status.

I look forward to comments...

 

[SilverFox7]

A correct understanding of end time prophecy hinges on having a solid starting point.

Some prophecy teachers teach that the Beast in Revelation 19 consists of Babylon=Lion, Media Persia=Bear, Greece=Leopard, Rome=10 horn beast. The Bible actually contradicts that belief. Daniel 8:20-21 reveals that Media-Persia is symbolized by a Ram, and the Rough Goat is the symbol of Greece.

As is the case with all erroneous beliefs, the bible if taken as the ultimate authority has the ability to wash away wrong beliefs. As such, providing the opportunity for truth to prevail in the minds of those in pursuit of God's truth.

The nations referenced in Revelation will exist at the time of the end. Are there nations existing today whose symbols parallel the Revelation account? The answer is yes. Great Britain=Lion, Russia=Bear, Germany=Leopard, And, United States=Eagles wings.

In Daniels vision the eagles wings are plucked out of the Lion. In the Revelation account. the wings are no longer on the Lion. Why? Because America was part of Great Britain until 1776. In 1776, America stood on its own. Think "Uncle Sam." This is further revealed in Daniel 7:4:

"The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it."

Note the eagle's wings are pictured assisting the woman (Israel) in Revelation 12. One can easily conclude that it represents United States intervening on Israel's behalf during its persecution by satan prior to the second coming of Jesus.

Consider that the end time Whore of Babylon rides on a scarlet (red) beast. Red is the color of communism. Again, the beast is nations upon whom she, Mystery Babylon, rides. (Rev. 17:1-2) The end time will see a coalition between Catholicism (religious leader-Pope) and a communistic/marxist one world governmental system having the antichrist as it's political leader. I believe the absence of Eagles wings shows the U.S. will not be part of this one world government.

United States has drifted far from the Godly principles of its origin. Nonetheless we know that all things are possible with God. And that God's word does not return void. As such, we can stand in the gap through prayer. (2 Chron. 7:14)

It has crossed my mind that circumstances taking place as a result of the decisions of this political administration may not be a bad thing. The seemingly negative possibility that America may take a back seat as a superpower may in fact be for the best. It would certainly be a way for the country to maintain her nationalistic status.

I look forward to comments...

Interesting theory. There are a lot of different perspectives and interpretations regarding the United States' role (if any) in end time events, and we just need to be careful about making firm predictions/statements.

Scripture makes it very clear that we don't know when Christ will return and even Jesus himself said:

"Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh" (Matt. 25:13).

There is no doubt that we could be living in the end times, the tribulation may be near, and Jesus will be returning soon (the sooner the better for sure!).

However, if you look at Christian history, there have been a multitude of Christians who predicted end time events only to be discouraged and in despair because it never happened.

I was a member of a prominent church in the 1980s that believed the EU was the beast led by Germany and united with the Catholic Church. England and the United States were viewed as modern day Israel descended from the 10 northern tribes that were swept away into Assyria after the united kingdom of Israel fell apart after Solomon's reign.

Look at WWII as another prime example. Everything looked like the end of the world with the Nazis under Hitler making a mad dash to take over the European continent and the rise of the "red hoards" under Stalin.

End time prophecy is interesting to discuss on a theoretical level, but we need to be careful that we don't fall into the "prediction addiction" trap that my church did back in the latter part of the 20th century.

 

[Yahshua]

A correct understanding of end time prophecy hinges on having a solid starting point.

Some prophecy teachers teach that the Beast in Revelation 19 consists of Babylon=Lion, Media Persia=Bear, Greece=Leopard, Rome=10 horn beast. The Bible actually contradicts that belief. Daniel 8:20-21 reveals that Media-Persia is symbolized by a Ram, and the Rough Goat is the symbol of Greece.

As is the case with all erroneous beliefs, the bible if taken as the ultimate authority has the ability to wash away wrong beliefs. As such, providing the opportunity for truth to prevail in the minds of those in pursuit of God's truth.

The nations referenced in Revelation will exist at the time of the end. Are there nations existing today whose symbols parallel the Revelation account? The answer is yes. Great Britain=Lion, Russia=Bear, Germany=Leopard, And, United States=Eagles wings.

In Daniels vision the eagles wings are plucked out of the Lion. In the Revelation account. the wings are no longer on the Lion. Why? Because America was part of Great Britain until 1776. In 1776, America stood on its own. Think "Uncle Sam." This is further revealed in Daniel 7:4:

"The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it."

Note the eagle's wings are pictured assisting the woman (Israel) in Revelation 12. One can easily conclude that it represents United States intervening on Israel's behalf during its persecution by satan prior to the second coming of Jesus.

Consider that the end time Whore of Babylon rides on a scarlet (red) beast. Red is the color of communism. Again, the beast is nations upon whom she, Mystery Babylon, rides. (Rev. 17:1-2) The end time will see a coalition between Catholicism (religious leader-Pope) and a communistic/marxist one world governmental system having the antichrist as it's political leader. I believe the absence of Eagles wings shows the U.S. will not be part of this one world government.

United States has drifted far from the Godly principles of its origin. Nonetheless we know that all things are possible with God. And that God's word does not return void. As such, we can stand in the gap through prayer. (2 Chron. 7:14)

It has crossed my mind that circumstances taking place as a result of the decisions of this political administration may not be a bad thing. The seemingly negative possibility that America may take a back seat as a superpower may in fact be for the best. It would certainly be a way for the country to maintain her nationalistic status.

I look forward to comments...

I agree that the symbols that modern nations take on are a clue into which spiritual principality they continue to represent. I just believe that the USA is the beast of the earth:

I particularly believe the USA is the beast from the earth and that the beast of the sea was the Holy Roman Empire (with Papal Rome as the head that was wounded and healed).


Reasons for my argument

- In the OT we are told that the nations were divided between the "sons of God" (i.e. spiritual principalities; angels).

- In the book of Daniel, he is visited by a man in linen but is told that "the prince of Persia" prevented The Man from reaching Daniel. This was a princ(ipality). The Man in Linen received help from Michael - Daniel's Prince; the Principality of Israel - to reach Daniel. So there are spiritual principalities over nations/kingdoms. Or said another way, there are nations/kingdoms that represent spirits.

- In Revelation 12, we read that the Woman (Israel; bride of God) gives birth to the manchild who will rule. And then the dragon chases her into the wilderness. Well, this event could be nothing else but the birth of the Messiah and then the Jews being persecuted and chased out of Jerusalem by Pagan Rome.

- Just like Babylon literally used the lion on its banner in fulfillment of Daniel 7, Pagan Rome used the eagle and the dragon on its banners. The Draco was the banner of the cavalry and was adopted later by the infantry. So, Rome chased the Jews into the wilderness and persecuted them after the messiah ascended to heaven, in literal fulfillment of Revelation 12.

- Revelation 13 describes the beast from the sea rising and the dragon giving his authority to it. The beast is said to be an amalgamation of all former kingdoms and speaks blasphemous words against God. Well, the bishop of Rome was given his authority by the Roman Emperor, and the Holy Roman Empire was eventually born as the pagan Roman Empire faded. Historical records reveal all the blasphemous statements the Papacy has made including he is god made flesh, he holds the place of god on earth, he is able to change holy laws, etc.

The papacy is also responsible for: persecuting the Jews, the crusades, the inquisitions, justification for colonization, and the establishment of worldwide slavery ("he that leads into captivity shall go into captivity")...until the papacy was ended by the French and the pope was exiled (i.e. deadly wound) in 1798.

- Revelation 17:15 describes the sea that the beast of the sea came from was a multitude of nations and languages. Compare this to the beast of the earth that comes from the land. So the next ruling empire would begin in a land where there were few people and languages. In fulfillment of this portion of prophecy, during the twilight of the Papacy, in 1776, the USA was formed from a land that had very few people.

- Revelation 13 says it would appear as a lamb but speak as a dragon. A lamb is innocent and virtuous, while a dragon is the imagery of satan. So the nation would appear righteous and good but enact policies that are contradictory to principles established by the living God.

- A horn in scripture represents power/strength/might. The beast of the earth has two horns. So the nation would have two principal representations of power. The USA has a two-party system of rule; parties that are as diametrically opposed to each other as any two nations of people could be, constantly vying for control.

- Prophecy says the Beast from the earth would exercise all the authority of the Beast of the sea (but never said the first Beast gave the new Beast any power). The US has held the mantle of world leader for a while now after Papal Rome was dissolved. Religious leadership was replaced with technological leadership.

- The Beast of the earth would have the power to call fire down from heaven. The USA was the first to develop atomic firepower dropped from the sky.

- The Beast would have the power to give life to the image of the Beast (of the sea) that people should worship it. To "give life to the image"...to animate the image...motion pictures; movies and television. The USA established Hollywood and the mainstream media to propagandize any cause. It is through television that we learn who the USA deems our allies and enemies are (who should be killed), regardless of the truth.

- Revelation refers to the beast of the earth as the "false prophet". Well. the word propaganda comes from the full Latin phrase "Congregation de Propaganda Fide", which mean "congregation of propagating faith". So to propagandize is to prophesy about something or someone you believe in. The USA and its mainstream media are "the false prophet", spreading ideals that are contradictory to biblical principles including democracy (i.e. the rule of the people) versus theocracy (i.e. the rule of god).

- Then in 1929, during the Lateran council in Italy, the Papacy was restored to existence, literally described as a "deadly wound healed" in newspapers. https://lightbearers.org/blog/why-a-new-pope-is-good-news/ . "He that was, is not, and yet is". And since then the USA has broadcast each new pope that has entered the office of the papacy as an important event to all citizens.

- Revelation says the beast from the earth will cause all to receive a mark on their foreheads or hand so that they could not buy or sell except for having the mark or the name or the number of his name. The beast's name is the United States of America, and its currency is the world's reserve currency for oil. Because the US currency is established and loaned out by and through the Federal Reserve private banking system, anyone who wants to transact business must believe in (i.e. mark on forehead) or work for (i.e. mark in hand) the US.

- Revelation 13 says "Those who have wisdom count the number of the beast for it is a number of a man and that number is 666". Well, our fractional reserve banking system, which has been duplicated and expanded into the world's IMF, was started by one family: Mayer Amschel Bauer, a german-jewish banker who changed his name to Rothschild which is German for "the red shield", which is the 6-sided, 6-triangled, 6-pointed star. So his name is literally a number.

This image - called "the star of David" and "the seal of Solomon" - is originally the star of Remphan, and represented the idol worship that Stephen mentioned certain Pharisees were involved in before he was stoned, as referenced in Amos 5:26-27:

Acts 7:43
Ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

https://www.meredithgould.com/star-of-remphan/

Additionally, our fractional reserve banking is based on interest (i.e. usery) which is condemned by Messiah. This family controls all major currencies of the world.

 

[Melach]

american delusions again. the bible says nothing about america. and revelation 12 is about Jesus

 

[Dino246]

This sounds like recycled material from Herbert W. Armstrong.

 

[Magenta]

Interesting theory. There are a lot of different perspectives and interpretations regarding the United States'
role (if any) in end time events, and we just need to be careful about making firm predictions/statements.

Scripture makes it very clear that we don't know when Christ will return and even Jesus himself said:

"Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh" (Matt. 25:13).

Psalm 84:10-11 plus 27-4

 

[posthuman]

Ezekiel 38:13
Sheba, Dedan, the merchants of Tarshish, and all their young lions will say to you, 'Have you come to take plunder? Have you gathered your army to take booty, to carry away silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods, to take great plunder?'


here is America in prophecy.
merely one of the colonial young lions of the UK, making noise about Turkey/Iran/Russia when they come down to attack and plunder Israel, but doing nothing material to stop them.

 

[posthuman]

i thank God for the privileges and freedoms i have being born an american.
but i mourn our vain idiocy.

 

[Wansvic]

american delusions again. the bible says nothing about america. and revelation 12 is about Jesus

Time will tell.

 

[SilverFox7]

This sounds like recycled material from Herbert W. Armstrong.

Insightful observation.

Herbert Armstrong certainly put a lot of prophetic emphasis on the United States and Great Britain in prophecy. He drew some interesting but unorthodox conclusions that got him and the World Wide Church of God into a lot of trouble.

I attended the church in my early 20s while I was attending college. I came in after Mr. Armstrong died, and Joseph Tkach succeeded him. Tkach provided fantastic leadership bringing the church from a marginal organization to rejoining mainstream Christianity.

Plain Truth Ministries best represents Joseph Tkach's vision for a Christ centered ministry (see link below), and Greg Albrecht is one of the great Christian authors of our time.

Christianity Without the Religion/Plain Truth Ministries (ptm.org)

Yes, PTM may have swung to the opposite end of the spectrum from legalism/literalism under Mr. Armstrong to liberalism under Mr. Tkach, but it sure is a breath of fresh air in this sin-saddened-society.

 

[Wansvic]

This sounds like recycled material from Herbert W. Armstrong.

I am not familiar with the teachings of the individual you mention.

 

[SilverFox7]

I am not familiar with the teachings of the individual you mention.

There is a wealth of documented scholarship on Herbert Armstrong (see below as a start).

I recommend reading with caution and only looking at it from a Biblical, Christ-centered scholarly perspective.

Who Was Herbert W. Armstrong? (rcg.org)

 

[Dino246]

I am not familiar with the teachings of the individual you mention.

He was most active in the ‘50’s through the 70’s. He passed away many years back.

 

[cv5]

There is a wealth of documented scholarship on Herbert Armstrong (see below as a start).

I recommend reading with caution and only looking at it from a Biblical, Christ-centered scholarly perspective.

Who Was Herbert W. Armstrong? (rcg.org)

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.....

 

[cv5]

Interesting theory. There are a lot of different perspectives and interpretations regarding the United States' role (if any) in end time events, and we just need to be careful about making firm predictions/statements.

Scripture makes it very clear that we don't know when Christ will return and even Jesus himself said:

"Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh" (Matt. 25:13).

There is no doubt that we could be living in the end times, the tribulation may be near, and Jesus will be returning soon (the sooner the better for sure!).

However, if you look at Christian history, there have been a multitude of Christians who predicted end time events only to be discouraged and in despair because it never happened.

I was a member of a prominent church in the 1980s that believed the EU was the beast led by Germany and united with the Catholic Church. England and the United States were viewed as modern day Israel descended from the 10 northern tribes that were swept away into Assyria after the united kingdom of Israel fell apart after Solomon's reign.

Look at WWII as another prime example. Everything looked like the end of the world with the Nazis under Hitler making a mad dash to take over the European continent and the rise of the "red hoards" under Stalin.

End time prophecy is interesting to discuss on a theoretical level, but we need to be careful that we don't fall into the "prediction addiction" trap that my church did back in the latter part of the 20th century.

The nation Israel itself is a sign. Think in terms of the nation Israel being Gods time piece. Ezekiel 37 dry bones is being fulfilled (in phases per Scripture) in real-time, right now today.

Furthermore the captivity of the nation Israel beginning at the first siege of Nebuchadnezzar 606 BC (Ezekiel 4 & Lev 26 minus 70 years time served equals 2520 years......May 14 1948) and "seven more times" judgments are over.

Furthermore it is my opinion that just as in the days of Noah, fallen angels are (RIGHT NOW) collaborating and cohabitating with the race of men. IMO, the great end time deception will be connected with some kind of UFOs/aliens reveal, and tampering with human DNA, creating inhuman hybrids like Goliath was......and the Antichrist will be.

BTW.......the the evil nephilim hybrid champion warrior Goliath was an extremely relevant type of the Antichrist defeated by David who is himself one of the preeminent types of Jesus.

Goliath blasphemes the God of Israel just as the antichrist does in Revelation 13:5,6. David defeats Goliath effortlessly and kills him with a sword and saves his people Israel, just as Jesus does in Revelation 19.

Of course, only now, in this generation, have we AI, digital money, the internet, high speed travel, instantaneous global communications.........all of which ingredients are necessary for the fulfillment of endtime prophecy as well.

Frankly I am shocked at the prevalence and magnitude of Biblical illiteracy such that many are so confused regarding the signs of the times.

 

[cv5]

Insightful observation.

Herbert Armstrong certainly put a lot of prophetic emphasis on the United States and Great Britain in prophecy. He drew some interesting but unorthodox conclusions that got him and the World Wide Church of God into a lot of trouble.

I attended the church in my early 20s while I was attending college. I came in after Mr. Armstrong died, and Joseph Tkach succeeded him. Tkach provided fantastic leadership bringing the church from a marginal organization to rejoining mainstream Christianity.

Plain Truth Ministries best represents Joseph Tkach's vision for a Christ centered ministry (see link below), and Greg Albrecht is one of the great Christian authors of our time.

Christianity Without the Religion/Plain Truth Ministries (ptm.org)

Yes, PTM may have swung to the opposite end of the spectrum from legalism/literalism under Mr. Armstrong to liberalism under Mr. Tkach, but it sure is a breath of fresh air in this sin-saddened-society.

I waded through a few of the Q&A's on that link. Extremely the weak sauce. Little more than sound bites. Sophomoric, noncommittal and vapid.

Frankly I would avoid anything connected to the Armstrongs (bowel) movement. Past present or future.

 

[ChristsChild]

Germany does not have an official national imal mascot.

Their nations coat of arms does feature the Reichsadler, eagle.

 

[SilverFox7]

I waded through a few of the Q&A's on that link. Extremely the weak sauce. Little more than sound bites. Sophomoric, noncommittal and vapid.

Frankly I would avoid anything connected to the Armstrongs (bowel) movement. Past present or future.

Unfortunately, as someone who lived and breathed it as a young, naive seminary student, I agree.

 

[GaryA]

In Daniels vision the eagles wings are plucked out of the Lion. In the Revelation account. the wings are no longer on the Lion. Why? Because America was part of Great Britain until 1776. In 1776, America stood on its own. Think "Uncle Sam." This is further revealed in Daniel 7:4:

"The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it."

It is the lion - sans wings - that is lifted up, etc. (not the wings)

 

[iamsoandso]

She is plucked out of the lion, the remaining bride that is healed out of the harlot that played the harlot with the wild beast...