Unity in sound doctrine

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Abiding

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Love is more important than petty differences, but what happens when “petty” becomes “any”? What happens when “petty” includes salvation, man’s sin nature, heaven and hell, the deity of Christ, the creation of the world, God’s role as a just judge, and any number of other beliefs clearly delineated in Scripture?

I find it particularly interesting that in one of the great passages about unity in the church, where Paul compares us to a body, with various parts fitting together to make a functioning whole, he includes the importance of sound doctrine.

And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming; but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ, from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love (Eph. 4:11-16, [emphasis added]).

So if we’re supposed to grow up into Christ, think for a moment about Christ and tolerance. Would we hear Him say, Can’t we all just get along? Not likely.

I suspect He saw a good bit of bickering from His disciples. After all, they discussed who would be the greatest in the kingdom, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee tried to do an end-around to get her boys into privileged positions.

That kind of self-promotion was the thing Jesus wanted them to do away with, I believe. Leadership was to mean servanthood, and the greatest was to get on his knees beside a basin of water to wash his brother’s feet.

Nowhere do I see Jesus telling His disciples to take a soft stand on truth. Instead, He was rather in-your-face about the matter. He spoke regularly and authoritatively from Scripture, and His pronouncements divided people. He knew this would be the case.

What He wanted, though, was those believing the truth to stand together, to serve each other, to look out for one another’s interests, not just their own.

That’s the love the church needs, not the “Can’t we all just get along,” pseudo love the world calls tolerance. That’s the love that will let people know what “Christian” really means.

Unity between true and false doctrine is a fairytale.
 
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Nowhere do I see Jesus telling His disciples to take a soft stand on truth. Instead, He was rather in-your-face about the matter. He spoke regularly and authoritatively from Scripture, and His pronouncements divided people. He knew this would be the case.

What He wanted, though, was those believing the truth to stand together, to serve each other, to look out for one another’s interests, not just their own.

That’s the love the church needs, not the “Can’t we all just get along,” pseudo love the world calls tolerance. That’s the love that will let people know what “Christian” really means.

Unity between true and false doctrine is a fairytale.
I couldnt agree more.
 
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DiscipleWilliam

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Love is more important than petty differences, but what happens when “petty” becomes “any”? What happens when “petty” includes salvation, man’s sin nature, heaven and hell, the deity of Christ, the creation of the world, God’s role as a just judge, and any number of other beliefs clearly delineated in Scripture?

I find it particularly interesting that in one of the great passages about unity in the church, where Paul compares us to a body, with various parts fitting together to make a functioning whole, he includes the importance of sound doctrine.

And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming; but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ, from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love (Eph. 4:11-16, [emphasis added]).

So if we’re supposed to grow up into Christ, think for a moment about Christ and tolerance. Would we hear Him say, Can’t we all just get along? Not likely.

I suspect He saw a good bit of bickering from His disciples. After all, they discussed who would be the greatest in the kingdom, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee tried to do an end-around to get her boys into privileged positions.

That kind of self-promotion was the thing Jesus wanted them to do away with, I believe. Leadership was to mean servanthood, and the greatest was to get on his knees beside a basin of water to wash his brother’s feet.

Nowhere do I see Jesus telling His disciples to take a soft stand on truth. Instead, He was rather in-your-face about the matter. He spoke regularly and authoritatively from Scripture, and His pronouncements divided people. He knew this would be the case.

What He wanted, though, was those believing the truth to stand together, to serve each other, to look out for one another’s interests, not just their own.

That’s the love the church needs, not the “Can’t we all just get along,” pseudo love the world calls tolerance. That’s the love that will let people know what “Christian” really means.

Unity between true and false doctrine is a fairytale.
Yes sir...Amen Brother very well said. I also like how you used that Rodney King quote, "can't we all just get along?" lol good word brother :)
 
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Crazy4GODword

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#4
Why can't we get along? What is up with denominations and separation? We Baptist, Lutheran, Pentecostals and more should fellowship and bond as brothers and sister. Forget man's doctrine and get in the word and understand not by man's opinion.
 
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Consumed

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#5
Jesus showed how to love all at the cross, even the ones who hung Him on it, that pseudo love??
Love thy neighbor isn't love my doctrine or is it??
Every person we look at we should be looking thru Jesus eyes, with love.

2000yrs and still arguing over the gospel. How wise are we when we leave out what it's all about, God is love.
I'm sure a "ism" or "ist" is forthcoming for taking this view. Jesus was a idealist who brought the ideal to realism. I'll take those ist and ism any day.
 
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Crazy4GODword

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Jesus showed how to love all at the cross, even the ones who hung Him on it, that pseudo love??
Love thy neighbor isn't love my doctrine or is it??
Every person we look at we should be looking thru Jesus eyes, with love.

2000yrs and still arguing over the gospel. How wise are we when we leave out what it's all about, God is love.
I'm sure a "ism" or "ist" is forthcoming for taking this view. Jesus was a idealist who brought the ideal to realism. I'll take those ist and ism any day.
Ever had those people say "Your Going to Hell because you drank alcohol!" or Something like that?
 
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Consumed

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Ever had those people say "Your Going to Hell because you drank alcohol!" or Something like that?
Sure have, I'm going to hell because I don't adhere to "their sound doctrine" lol. Yet scripture says don't say who is going where
 
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Sure have, I'm going to hell because I don't adhere to "their sound doctrine" lol. Yet scripture says don't say who is going where
Can you show me that scripture, please???????
 
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SirEdward

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#9
We need unity in Christ. Witches can have unity. Atheist can have unity. But, we as Christians must be united on good and true doctrine and in purpose. I find that calls for unity are often used to gain acceptance for bad doctrine, by unsaved or week Christians. Also when leaders take inappropriate actions they will call for unity. Only when you have good doctrine and purpose, will unity promote the kingdom of God.
 
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Crazy4GODword

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Sure have, I'm going to hell because I don't adhere to "their sound doctrine" lol. Yet scripture says don't say who is going where
Hey wonder what the Jehovah witnesses (no offense) say if you don't believe them? Because they don't believe in a hell.
 
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Consumed

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#11
Hey wonder what the Jehovah witnesses (no offense) say if you don't believe them? Because they don't believe in a hell.
I'm not looking up their doctrine to find out. They must have few vacancies on the 144,000 getting in
 

wattie

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Wait.. what is unity in the body of Christ?

there is a body at Ephesus in the New Testament

a body at Phillipi

a body at Corinth etc

Is not the unity in a local assembly/congregation rather than across every believer in the world?

This is what Paul was saying with being 'tightly-knit' 'built up together' etc... it can only be possible if it is about the local assembly you fellowship with

Other churches can have unity also.. and again.. beginning in the local assemblies.

So

Do you mean unity in your local assembly? Or across every believer in the entire world..? Which is a logistical nightmare and a near impossibility

And yah.. Abiding is right .. it is not a sappy kind of tolerant love.. it is real love that is grace and truth combined. Jesus came in and caused much division.. Paul was adamant with the Pharisees.. so was Peter.. John was redefining how we are to serve God to the Jews.. etc..

But you know--

I see 'unity in the body of Christ' as unity in the local assembly someone fellowships at.. because that is the body of Christ..

local and visible assembly of saved baptised believers covenanted together to carry out the great commandment and great commission

If you want unity across every believer-- that would unity in the Family or Kingdom of God.. not unity in the body of Christ... they are not the same entities.
 
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Consumed

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#13
Great deduction wattie, but then is unity about only one house and throw stones at others and call it done in love. Even not everyone in a house agrees with each other, do we throw outt the ones who don't, tares amongst wheat. Love isn't judgmental yet God is the judge not man. Jesus didn't come to condemn but save.
Honor and respect regardless, you cam still disagree with someone or thing thats ok, yet let God do what He does best.
 
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Israel

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Unity is only possible in the spirit as doctrines are merely opinion oriented interpretations of words on paper. It is an elevation of consciousness to where we dont concentrate on HOW someone is worshiping as to the fruit of the individual.

What is the difference between a Muslim and a Christian? If we focus on doctrine, we then focus on the flesh and are of a carnal mind, where there will always be envy and strife. But in the spirit there lives is no different than the other.
 
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Abiding

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Jesus showed how to love all at the cross, even the ones who hung Him on it, that pseudo love??
Love thy neighbor isn't love my doctrine or is it??
Every person we look at we should be looking thru Jesus eyes, with love.

2000yrs and still arguing over the gospel. How wise are we when we leave out what it's all about, God is love.
I'm sure a "ism" or "ist" is forthcoming for taking this view. Jesus was a idealist who brought the ideal to realism. I'll take those ist and ism any day.
This thread has nothing to do with Love. Unity is the subject. Of coarse Jesus loves, of coarse we love.
But this not in view here.

John 2:23 Now when He was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in His name, when they saw the miracle He did. BUT Jesus did not commit Himself unto them, becuase he knew all men.

By the way He just left the temple with His whip which was by no means a show of unity. Im seeing some naughty, naughty doctrinal error going on. And
its going on today.
 
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Abiding

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Unity is only possible in the spirit as doctrines are merely opinion oriented interpretations of words on paper. It is an elevation of consciousness to where we dont concentrate on HOW someone is worshiping as to the fruit of the individual.

What is the difference between a Muslim and a Christian? If we focus on doctrine, we then focus on the flesh and are of a carnal mind, where there will always be envy and strife. But in the spirit there lives is no different than the other.
Im only talking about Gods doctrine here. Not man made doctrine
 
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Consumed

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#17
To be in unity goes hand in hand with love.
And Jesus never told us to take a whip up or did I miss something.

Unity, one mind and accord, that Jesus is Lord, saved by grace not by works, Jesus is the lamb of God, live a Godly life as outlined by the apostles, foundation to our walk. Doctrinal simplicity. Anything against that truth challenge with love at heart that God will reveal that truth and remove the veil from their eyes, plugs from their ears and soften their heart to receive.

We all do and see things different :)
 
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Abiding

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Love does not cause unity. And a lack of unity doesnt change the Love.God destroyed a world in Noahs day yet God so loved the world.
This thread as i said is about unity.

God speaking......Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

The Unity of the Spirit in Ephesians 4:1 to about v16 shows how this is done. Esp v13-15
 
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Consumed

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So it's a thread about lovers of the same doctrinal beliefs, ok as in cessationists. Well I do apologize, I believe Gods spirit is alive and well and doing what Jesus promised us He would do according His will.

Noahs day, everyone lived for themselves un godly lives, a testimony to what would happen to all that do. Noah abhorred evil and walked in righteousness according to God
 
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Abiding

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So it's a thread about lovers of the same doctrinal beliefs, ok as in cessationists. Well I do apologize, I believe Gods spirit is alive and well and doing what Jesus promised us He would do according His will.

Noahs day, everyone lived for themselves un godly lives, a testimony to what would happen to all that do. Noah abhorred evil and walked in righteousness according to God

Is there a question, or a statement here?