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Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned [them];
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Timothy 4
1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having
itching ears.
4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
Doctrine: from the bible is the Holyspirits, instruction, information, and teaching what is truth.
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned [them];
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Timothy 4
1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having
itching ears.
4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
Doctrine: from the bible is the Holyspirits, instruction, information, and teaching what is truth.
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The greatest comandment is love, as Jesus said, all the laws are based in this.
Thankyou for this post, you have touched the heart of Jesus in looking to serving.
Remember when Jesus washed the feet of the apostles. Paul refusing, and Jesus saying, I must do this so thst you will understand.
The more one looks to Jesus, the more one will see that it is in His love, serving another, does one know Jesus and His message.
In Jesus, God bless.
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Thankyou for this post, you have touched the heart of Jesus in looking to serving.
Remember when Jesus washed the feet of the apostles. Paul refusing, and Jesus saying, I must do this so thst you will understand.
The more one looks to Jesus, the more one will see that it is in His love, serving another, does one know Jesus and His message.
In Jesus, God bless.
pickles
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Gods doctrine as spoken by the prophets, the messiah, Jesus. Doctrine as laid out by the apostles, saved by grace, justified by faith, sanctified then glorified. Anything outside the foundation that doesn't support this is false doctrine. The rest is interpretation of what God can and can't do during santification. Basic tenets is dividing law from grace, old from new and to walk a Godly life. Anything else is just religious interpretation of how to take a simple easy doctrine and turn it into do donts, follow me yada yada I have the truth doctrinal vomit which at best causes division at worst turns people away from Christ.
Encouraging people to seek truth for themselves comes second. Hence a whip is used by some and then they say "but Jesus used one" lol
Encouraging people to seek truth for themselves comes second. Hence a whip is used by some and then they say "but Jesus used one" lol
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Get a grip Alex. Youve become the most critical, dogmatic, unloving, insulting, offending, accusing person ive run into.
I suppose i see your position, yet your glasses need checked, and besides not only do I not agree with your position.
I just cant help but see you have mastered in deed the label your trying hard to stick on me.
I suppose i see your position, yet your glasses need checked, and besides not only do I not agree with your position.
I just cant help but see you have mastered in deed the label your trying hard to stick on me.
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Now if it says all of that out of the book YOU call scripture, why not believe also from the same book that says eternal life is NOT found in it? So then it is with a humble understanding that if this precious life is not found in the book that I deem to be scripture, it is not found in any other book as well.
It is then doctrine stemming from these books which lead to division.
Does miracles happen in the name of Allah? With millions of believers, I would have to say yes. Likewise for the Christian as well. Both sides saying that the other is false and therefore of the devil. But if Satan casts out Satan, how then can his kingdom stand?
ALL POWER AND AUTHORITY is of God. For the miracles of both come from the Father. In the flesh, there wil l always be doctrines of Jesus and Allah. But out of your own book, it says that though we knew Jesus according to the flesh, we know Him NO LONGER by the flesh. We are to know no man according to the flesh.
It is then doctrine stemming from these books which lead to division.
Does miracles happen in the name of Allah? With millions of believers, I would have to say yes. Likewise for the Christian as well. Both sides saying that the other is false and therefore of the devil. But if Satan casts out Satan, how then can his kingdom stand?
ALL POWER AND AUTHORITY is of God. For the miracles of both come from the Father. In the flesh, there wil l always be doctrines of Jesus and Allah. But out of your own book, it says that though we knew Jesus according to the flesh, we know Him NO LONGER by the flesh. We are to know no man according to the flesh.
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Israel, my faith is in the bible. And all its teachings.
The Koran is a different issue.
All miracles are not from God, and God can do miracles to whom He wishes for His own purposes. And satan can do lying signs and wonders.
Eternal life is a gift from God and is in the Gospel of Jesus Christ recorded in the bible, and preached in the world.
Yes doctrines cause divisions as they should. No difference in nature. Or in traffic.
The Koran is a different issue.
All miracles are not from God, and God can do miracles to whom He wishes for His own purposes. And satan can do lying signs and wonders.
Eternal life is a gift from God and is in the Gospel of Jesus Christ recorded in the bible, and preached in the world.
Yes doctrines cause divisions as they should. No difference in nature. Or in traffic.
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Mike, settle down, it's a forum remember, I post what I believe and interpret things just as you. Thank you for your comments bit they are unwarranted. So you believe the way you do, that's ok with me no skin off me, but I will always state my beliefs too. Did I point a finger at you?? Do I single you out for insult??
Get a grip mike I'm not the enemy of God
Ps lol I had my eye prescription filled last week, that made me laugh when you said check my glasses. Lighten up brother, so we don't agree on things, we both agree in Jesus
Get a grip mike I'm not the enemy of God
Ps lol I had my eye prescription filled last week, that made me laugh when you said check my glasses. Lighten up brother, so we don't agree on things, we both agree in Jesus
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Actually God offered salvation only through the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That is truth. There are
doctrines that define that truth. And the Spirit of God will guide you to it.
If you dont pursue that then the difference between the gospel of Jesus Christ and the Koran
and Allah wont matter. If you do heed to the gospel, then youll find out the difference yourself.
doctrines that define that truth. And the Spirit of God will guide you to it.
If you dont pursue that then the difference between the gospel of Jesus Christ and the Koran
and Allah wont matter. If you do heed to the gospel, then youll find out the difference yourself.
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Mike, not so much in my defense but just clarify. The stoning comment was in reference to all prophets are false. So if they all are even when a true one showed up just being fixated they are all false you can see why I say that, and even then it was a response that you thought they killed all prophets and you were tuckered out fighting them. I apologize for the offense you took by it.
The whip, brother you used the scripture not me as justification. I commented how some people do, not pointing you out, been around long enough to have heard every justification under the sun using scripture as the basis to doctrine and forcibly preaching it.
I know you have a love for Jesus, you mean well. Your not the first nor the last person I come across that preaches doctrinal truth yada yada yada yet the heart of the gospel, God is love, all powerful all knowing ever present, caring and didn't come to condemn but save.
We aren't perfect but we press on.
I do humbly apologize, I still think you have a issue with me you haven't settled yet by your tirade of abuse and insult, I forgive you mike, truly do, no offense taken. Shalom
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The whip, brother you used the scripture not me as justification. I commented how some people do, not pointing you out, been around long enough to have heard every justification under the sun using scripture as the basis to doctrine and forcibly preaching it.
I know you have a love for Jesus, you mean well. Your not the first nor the last person I come across that preaches doctrinal truth yada yada yada yet the heart of the gospel, God is love, all powerful all knowing ever present, caring and didn't come to condemn but save.
We aren't perfect but we press on.
I do humbly apologize, I still think you have a issue with me you haven't settled yet by your tirade of abuse and insult, I forgive you mike, truly do, no offense taken. Shalom
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Me again... Please hear me out. I do not intrepet the Word, I am not clever enough. And the wisdom I am about to share with you is not mine own. I am just not that wise...
Unity of ANY two people can only be PERFECT in ONE BODY! And that Body in the HOLY SPIRIT! Jesus says to Father... John 17...
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;
This is the only ONENESS gaurenteed not to even argue one single point! And guess what there is a Church (Body) like that right here on earth now! It is a PERFECT church, where Jesus is the head, and ALL in that church is PERFECT AS GOD IS PERFECT! Jesus and God does not disagree on ONE SINGLE POINT, and neither does Jesus and HIS BROTHERS!
Look at how One they are...They are as one as this... One mind, One Spirit (Life) One Faith (doctrine that builds the faith) (a HOLY FAITH) All united in GOD!!! and in God there is NO STRIFE!
That Body is not unity in anything BUT IN CHRIST JESUS!
Father They in me and Me in them and thou in me ... So that they may be PERFECTLY ONE!!!!
How do I know? Well every day God shows me how cimilar His work is in the members that WILL BE PERFECTED TO HIS MEASURE AND STATURE! I met quite a few people the last three years that believes EXACTLY like me, and I did not attend a single church for 14 years. I do not read anything but the Bible, for 14 years. And now?
I am surprised that there are people that believes EXACTLY like me. I praise God that HIS Truth are once again taught!
If we can get to this command we will NEVER not be united, nor not be a unity, nor not be one!
Matthew 5:48... Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
God willing SOON His teachings will be posted in plain mature words for all to read and see how easy it is to be perfect! One tip... Just die off all the Holy Spirit tells you too!!!! So this is the easy part... Just die off ALL sin the Holy Spirit shows you... The more easy part I will share from God's Word with you, SOON...God willing..
Lord Jesus Christ, Our Father in heaven, let thou will be done in me as in heaven... Amen!!
Unity of ANY two people can only be PERFECT in ONE BODY! And that Body in the HOLY SPIRIT! Jesus says to Father... John 17...
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;
This is the only ONENESS gaurenteed not to even argue one single point! And guess what there is a Church (Body) like that right here on earth now! It is a PERFECT church, where Jesus is the head, and ALL in that church is PERFECT AS GOD IS PERFECT! Jesus and God does not disagree on ONE SINGLE POINT, and neither does Jesus and HIS BROTHERS!
Look at how One they are...They are as one as this... One mind, One Spirit (Life) One Faith (doctrine that builds the faith) (a HOLY FAITH) All united in GOD!!! and in God there is NO STRIFE!
That Body is not unity in anything BUT IN CHRIST JESUS!
Father They in me and Me in them and thou in me ... So that they may be PERFECTLY ONE!!!!
How do I know? Well every day God shows me how cimilar His work is in the members that WILL BE PERFECTED TO HIS MEASURE AND STATURE! I met quite a few people the last three years that believes EXACTLY like me, and I did not attend a single church for 14 years. I do not read anything but the Bible, for 14 years. And now?
I am surprised that there are people that believes EXACTLY like me. I praise God that HIS Truth are once again taught!
If we can get to this command we will NEVER not be united, nor not be a unity, nor not be one!
Matthew 5:48... Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
God willing SOON His teachings will be posted in plain mature words for all to read and see how easy it is to be perfect! One tip... Just die off all the Holy Spirit tells you too!!!! So this is the easy part... Just die off ALL sin the Holy Spirit shows you... The more easy part I will share from God's Word with you, SOON...God willing..
Lord Jesus Christ, Our Father in heaven, let thou will be done in me as in heaven... Amen!!
This post has lots of discernment and good doctrine concerning the unity that we are to have in the faith. Why is this such a sore spot with so many believers and why are posts like this one put off and shunned? When we see this kind of unity in the local assembly in action, there are things that happen with that local assembly in the lives of the believers and the fruit of that ministry that only could come from God. I believe it falls under the blessings of (Ps 133). When their is unity among the leadership and believers in a local assembly their is a stability of love among the believers and a great joy among those that serve one another and obey by faith the great commission.
They are likeminded and do not allow for divisions or contentions because they have sound doctrine and the same love one for another. In that unity there is no jealousy or envy or strife in the camp and they actually share one another's burdens and you see believers laying their life down for one another through the grace of God. That is what sound doctrine promotes through the Holy Spirit in the hearts of the believers and through this unity, Jesus Christ is magnified in the house of God as they grow up together as a habitation of God through the Spirit and produce much fruit as one body with many members.
They are likeminded and do not allow for divisions or contentions because they have sound doctrine and the same love one for another. In that unity there is no jealousy or envy or strife in the camp and they actually share one another's burdens and you see believers laying their life down for one another through the grace of God. That is what sound doctrine promotes through the Holy Spirit in the hearts of the believers and through this unity, Jesus Christ is magnified in the house of God as they grow up together as a habitation of God through the Spirit and produce much fruit as one body with many members.
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Cobus, yes Jesus prayed for this, someday it will be a reality. And in the Spirit we are all one.
If we are all saved.
This thread was about unity in sound doctrine. You know you and i have kept the love
between us and a pretty good amount of respect. If there was any disunity it would be in
doctrine.
Others in this forum its the same thing..love, respect, and where the doctrine difference
leads to tear that down. We stay apart. No unity.
Cobus, do you agree? isnt it doctrine that hurts the unity. Cant be the love.
If we are all saved.
This thread was about unity in sound doctrine. You know you and i have kept the love
between us and a pretty good amount of respect. If there was any disunity it would be in
doctrine.
Others in this forum its the same thing..love, respect, and where the doctrine difference
leads to tear that down. We stay apart. No unity.
Cobus, do you agree? isnt it doctrine that hurts the unity. Cant be the love.
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Love has doctrine. This thread isnt about love. Love is essential.
But without doctrine even Love would become dissimulated and sensual.
Satan has warred against doctrine since it was written. Its easy to scoff
at church history like it was all just idiots fighting because they liked it.
Men and woman gave their lives to preserve the word we have. Jesus
talked about the war. And today the war goes on.
But without doctrine even Love would become dissimulated and sensual.
Satan has warred against doctrine since it was written. Its easy to scoff
at church history like it was all just idiots fighting because they liked it.
Men and woman gave their lives to preserve the word we have. Jesus
talked about the war. And today the war goes on.
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Hi Abiding, How are you this morning?
Thanks for spending some time with me last night. your right I feel much better
Praise the Lord for His many blessings. His grace, His forgiveness, His understanding and mercy to renew the heart and minds of His children. May we seek to use these earthly bodies and limited human lives to the glory of His name so that when eternity comes God will look upon us and say "I am well pleased"
Jesus may You keep us from temptation and deliver us from evil, we may not always have the words to pray. we may not even have the knowledge we are in need of prayer but YOU are our intercessor. Our great High Priest and we praise your Holy name and thank you every day for the living water that flows from your heart into ours and the daily bread of Your words that enters the mind and builds up the temple of our hearts dedicated to Your love and Your laws and Your truth. Allow us to be Your hands and feet, Your mouth, Your body to shine forth as lights unto this world and lead people from their sinful lives and bonds and chains of Satan into the Freedom and Knowledge and Peace of YOUR REST Lord. Allow us to share with others the beauty of what being a true child of God really means. May all be done to the Glory of Your Name Lord. In Jesus we pray, Amen.
i've got too much to do today to read everything said so if I repeat anyone else's words. please take it as an affirming note and a second witness to the truth you spoke
I believe in Unity in Christ with the recognition that everyone is on a different point in their walk with Christ.
We all come from a different place in life and have different task to accomplish in this world before these bodies die and we spend eternity with our Lord and Savior.
IT is for a purpose for if you did not live your life, if you did not have a Test you would have not Testimony to share with others. to help others come out of the sin and the transgressions that Jesus saved you from.
IF you say you have NEVER sinned in your WHOLE life, then you are deluding yourself and need to either read the Bible again and learn what the laws of GOD truly are and how you fall so short and how you really NEED Jesus to have died on the cross for the propiation of your sins, or you need to ask someone you trust and love who will tell you the TRUTH what your faults are.
sorry I'm babbling Abiding.
as for doctrine... well i remember listening to a sermon from Spurgeon that if people truly sought JESUS there would be no demoninations but truly ONE church united under JESUS and reading in the BIble that dissension is due to the FLESH not because the Bible is hard to understand but that people try to understand the BIble through their FLESH and not through the guidance of the HOLY SPIRIT. they do not relie on JESUS and His words and inspiration to teach but use their preconceived notions to bring others into subjectation to themselves and not placing themselves and their OWN thoughts and strongholds into subjecation to Christ and HIS knowledge.
yeah my spelling needs to be checked but I got to go ttyl love u bro.
Thanks for spending some time with me last night. your right I feel much better
Praise the Lord for His many blessings. His grace, His forgiveness, His understanding and mercy to renew the heart and minds of His children. May we seek to use these earthly bodies and limited human lives to the glory of His name so that when eternity comes God will look upon us and say "I am well pleased"
Jesus may You keep us from temptation and deliver us from evil, we may not always have the words to pray. we may not even have the knowledge we are in need of prayer but YOU are our intercessor. Our great High Priest and we praise your Holy name and thank you every day for the living water that flows from your heart into ours and the daily bread of Your words that enters the mind and builds up the temple of our hearts dedicated to Your love and Your laws and Your truth. Allow us to be Your hands and feet, Your mouth, Your body to shine forth as lights unto this world and lead people from their sinful lives and bonds and chains of Satan into the Freedom and Knowledge and Peace of YOUR REST Lord. Allow us to share with others the beauty of what being a true child of God really means. May all be done to the Glory of Your Name Lord. In Jesus we pray, Amen.
i've got too much to do today to read everything said so if I repeat anyone else's words. please take it as an affirming note and a second witness to the truth you spoke I believe in Unity in Christ with the recognition that everyone is on a different point in their walk with Christ.
We all come from a different place in life and have different task to accomplish in this world before these bodies die and we spend eternity with our Lord and Savior.
IT is for a purpose for if you did not live your life, if you did not have a Test you would have not Testimony to share with others. to help others come out of the sin and the transgressions that Jesus saved you from.
IF you say you have NEVER sinned in your WHOLE life, then you are deluding yourself and need to either read the Bible again and learn what the laws of GOD truly are and how you fall so short and how you really NEED Jesus to have died on the cross for the propiation of your sins, or you need to ask someone you trust and love who will tell you the TRUTH what your faults are.
sorry I'm babbling Abiding.
as for doctrine... well i remember listening to a sermon from Spurgeon that if people truly sought JESUS there would be no demoninations but truly ONE church united under JESUS and reading in the BIble that dissension is due to the FLESH not because the Bible is hard to understand but that people try to understand the BIble through their FLESH and not through the guidance of the HOLY SPIRIT. they do not relie on JESUS and His words and inspiration to teach but use their preconceived notions to bring others into subjectation to themselves and not placing themselves and their OWN thoughts and strongholds into subjecation to Christ and HIS knowledge.
yeah my spelling needs to be checked but I got to go
ttyl love u bro.