Universal Laws of Heavenly Bodies

[zone]

Yeah I know but sometimes our hearts are misguided in matters that we lack understanding in and we refuse to hear the truth, rather we would rely on something we can understand. Remember high school and calculus?
Couldn't figure out why basic math wasn't good enough back then but I do today.
When we were children we thought as children and drank milk.
Now as adults we drink wine and no longer rely on milk same goes for understanding of certain aspects of science which are hard to wrap our head around.
I still love him though regardless if we don't agree on everything and he has proven my beliefs wrong on other topics so I have to have patience and forgiveness on this one. I know God will open up his mind concerning this matter even if it takes a while.

He is still my brother in faith under God

psssstttt....musky.....doc's right dear.
don't say i didn't warn ya

 

[zone]

It's not a card. It's called, Philosophy.


Science is subject to philosophy.

(I could argue that you shouldn't believe anything reported by your five seneses is reliable, but I doubt you want to do that)

exactly jimmy.
and THEORY posited as truth. starting point A is a theory.....why is the destination a given?
all theory. darwin had one. eugenicists have one. "medical science" has many.....(life doesn't begin until birth?!? ) how stupid are we to rely on EXPERTS when the Marxists said they would conquer exactly that way? LOLOLOL.

and when did we begin to base 'reality" on computer modelling? GLOBAL WARMING SCAM anyone?

anyways...i know where this is going.....popcorn?

 

[Strangelove]

Scripture doesn't go against reality. Reality doesn't go against scripture. We have special revelation from God (e.g. cannonized scripture) and general revelation (e.g. nature) and they are in perfect harmony.

A perfect understanding is to understand how they are perfectly in union. So if you are using scripture to make assertions that go against nature, actually misrepresenting nature to fit your views, then you probably aren't going to get many of us who understand these subjects spending inordinate amounts of our valuable time contesting with you for very long (especially if your reputation is that of a recalcitrant trollish character [e.g. the strange one]).

We have people in other places and spaces that are interested in learning how the pieces really fit together that don't waste our time with nonsense.

Yet for the discussion's sake, it's important to introduce the discussion properly at some point and the Blue Letter Bible does a good job of that with it's presentation of the nine creation views in Christiandom:

Blue Letter Bible - Help, Tutorials, and FAQs

So, whats your position exactly?

Was the creation week actually 15 billion years?

 

[Strangelove]

Naw.. we understand him just fine: Narcisstic disruptive infantile troll always trying to be the center of attention.

Awww...AOK's getting exposed and only has namecalling left.

When you gonna rejoin the debate here:

LINK ::: Noahide laws and FEMA camps

??

 

[Strangelove]

Naw.. we understand him just fine: Narcisstic disruptive infantile troll always trying to be the center of attention.

Keep it up AOK, let everyone see your real fruit.

I can feel your frustration half a world away.

How about you get in a helicopter and hover there for a few hours and you'll be round here in no time to confront me face to face! Dont even need to pay for the mileage!

LOLZ!

Spinning earth budget travel! LOLOLOLOL....

 

[zone]

You believe your five senses eh?
hmmm........well how do you believe in God Doc.? You can't see him if you can I am sending a str8 jacket to your place stat.
You can't smell him
You can't hear him if you do revert to you can't see him for next course of action
You can't taste him
You can't touch him therefore you can't truly feel him with any of your 5 senses
Before you go into a semantical or philosophical argument of what I said really ponder the preceding words.
Think about this you believe in a books teachings that have been written, amalgamated, translated through many languages,disassembled, reassembled,printed in various forms and you still argue vehemently with those of like faith over doctrine of said book that you personally cannot corroberate.
Yet you absolutely deny heliocentricism on the basis of your own eyes convictions!

Now really really think about my words they are not meant to dissuade any who read this away from faith in God, rather to open ones mind to rational thinking rather than blind faith in an ideology you cannot possibly corroberate with your 5 senses for you were not there at anytime when the bible was being written or its amalgamation or the reformation years when it was being translated yet again.Therefore you cannot truthfully corroberate any of it!

Feeling or believing in God is a spiritual matter.
Understanding the mechanics of the Universe is an earthly matter and never the twain shall meet in life!
The evidence I have put forth in supposition of my position is well founded and documented if you chose to deny it that's your bag man!

The earth revolves around the sun not the other way around and the only way to prove it to you is to take you personally into space. since I do not have the financial means to accomplish this we are left with 1 option and that is accept the empiracal data of the last 500 years of research that man has put forth through divine inspiration from God and research of the laws of the universe that he put in place.
Your understanding of the laws pertaining to universal mechanics is seriously flawed and needs to be corrected before you continue spewing false doctrine of the nature of the universe.

KNOWING GOD EXISTS is something He Himself said He left us with the ability to do.
aside from The Holy Spirit (GOD) confirming for the saved (A WORK OF GOD), we have the scriptures which we believe to be truth.

yes, we believe in Christ Whom we have not YET seen, and this is faith. but FAITH HAS SUBSTANCE. its as real as Jesus Himself.

now.....you compare believing in God (by faith) to SCIENCE, which today is ALL theory.
empirical science was all but abandoned. why? YOU KNOW WHY! 2 thessalonians 2.

believing what MASONIC EXPERTS tell you with BOGUS imagery takes FAITH....in something....not GOD, but G.A.O.T.U.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans]Freemasons have always been in the forefront of the scientific community; from the founding of the British Royal Society to today’s NASA programme in the United States. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Sans]The following is a short and incomplete list 1 of Brethren who have contributed to the exploration of outer space. [/FONT][/FONT]

Freemasons in Space

SURPRISE!!!!
LOL

all the same families too bud....look em up

 

[zone]

Prove It Bud!

pssst...musky...careful waking the sleeping diggs giant.
you'll be sooooorrryy

 

[zone]

I've been looking on the internet for how astronomers calculate distances and it seems like they all assume at least one thing and then take that assumption and apply it to the rest of the solar system and universe.

I don't really understand exactly how they go about it but somehow they figure when Venus is tangential to the Earth and the sun that gives them a proportion for how much farther away the sun is from the earth than from Venus. They state Venus is 70% as far from the sun as Earth. And apparently some guy named Arius or something did the same thing except with the moon.

In geometry you have to know a distance before you use a sin or tangent. So someone is guessing at something it seems to me. Unless you really did run out there with your tape measure...

I don't know. I still say they assume too much.

love you gramps.
not assumption though.
deliberate deception.
don't forget the war we are in.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

So now the thread has degraded into a we've never gone into space because some astronauts were members of one freemason order or another. Wonderful. Thanks zone. You and strange have polluted another great thread with your ridulous nonsense and his trollish behavior. I'm going to go find something else to do with my day.

Freemasons in Space

SURPRISE!!!!
LOL

all the same families too bud....look em up

 

[zone]

Good one AOK I was beginning to think I was the only one here with any triginometry skills!

Of course in 3 dimensional calculations you need 3 points of referrence for calculations but that's another ball of wax..

LOL.
loving it

 

[zone]

Ha ha. I was going to ask that question.

you did.
you're just gentlemanly. i saw ya.

 

[Strangelove]

So now the thread has degraded into a we've never gone into space because some astronauts were members of one freemason order or another. Wonderful. Thanks zone. You and strange have polluted another great thread with your ridulous nonsense and his trollish behavior. I'm going to go find something else to do with my day.

WAIT AOK!!

So...Many....questions yet,,......to answer,......>>>>

WAAAAAAAAAAITTTTT!!!!

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Scripture doesn't go against reality. Reality doesn't go against scripture. We have special revelation from God (e.g. cannonized scripture) and general revelation (e.g. nature) and they are in perfect harmony.

A perfect understanding is to understand how they are perfectly in union. So if you are using scripture to make assertions that go against nature, actually misrepresenting nature to fit your views, then you probably aren't going to get many of us who understand these subjects spending inordinate amounts of our valuable time contesting with you for very long (especially if your reputation is that of a recalcitrant trollish character [e.g. the strange one]).

We have people in other places and spaces that are interested in learning how the pieces really fit together that don't waste our time with nonsense.

Yet for the discussion's sake, it's important to introduce the discussion properly at some point and the Blue Letter Bible does a good job of that with it's presentation of the nine creation views in Christiandom:

Blue Letter Bible - Help, Tutorials, and FAQs

I understand all that, and am well-versed on the various views of cosmology. I'm not a scientific concordist, though, and I don't think scripture gets a backseat to science just because it's not a textbook.

I just want you or someone else to answer the valid basic trig question Strange presented. You have answered his question about space, and affirm it is substance; meaning space is "something" as opposed to being "nothing".

 

[zone]

I got it from the NIV 1984 version and from the NASB. I now notice the KJV, NKJV use "throne". Just wondering why 2 versions use "moon" and the other 2 use "throne".

Okay, maybe not convincing enough! However, surely you can see, though, that if "moon" is correctly translated how a moving sun could be used in that same picturesque way too, ie as it appears from our perspective from the ground?

published by?

 

[zone]

The speed of light has been calculated based on the "said" distance between two planets. YOU CANNOT calculate the speed of light if you do not know the distance between two planets. How do they calculate the distance, they use the speed of light. Every internet page I have looked up comes up with similar type of data., It is circular reasoning.

HELLO....LOVE IT.
the elect shall not by any means be deceived.

 

[Strangelove]

I understand all that, and am well-versed on the various views of cosmology. I'm not a scientific concordist, though, and I don't think scripture gets a backseat to science just because it's not a textbook.

I just want you or someone else to answer the valid basic trig question Strange presented. You have answered his question about space, and affirm it is substance; meaning space is "something" as opposed to being "nothing".

Shall I put you out of your misery and tell you why they refuse to tell us how the baseline is derived?

Or do you know already?

Your a smart fella I think you know.

 

[zone]

Earth's Rotation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_rotation

Strangelove's rotation:

As you can see, stragelove's head rotates exactly in the opposite direction as the earth. This is the reason for his loss of brains and constant nonsensical ramblings and false assertions.

The resulting stress on his brain due to +g-forces caused it to eek out of his skull over time and today we have a babbling moron left. Nature is cruel at times.

well,
what can be said about this sort of post?

is this acceptable?

hmmmmmmmm

 

[zone]

Kewl thread. I'm wanting to see SL's 4 experiments, but Musker won't answer the question about space being something or nothing.

hi buddy
exciting ya?

the theorists are toast.

and if you get invoved...and jimmy wakes up....well......

bye bye FREEMASONIC SCIENCE FAIR! LOLOLOL

 

[Strangelove]

well,
what can be said about this sort of post?

is this acceptable?

hmmmmmmmm

AOK's gone out for the day Z-girl.

Apparently he's "got better things to do".

Probably gone to Rothie HQ to consult Alinskys handbook on how to combat awakened Christians using Marxist ridicule techniques.

 

[Grandpa]

Why don't you go up in a shuttle and see for yourself?

Well that was my point. Let's say you were up in a shuttle and you were looking at the earth. You "saw" the earth rotate and the sun was behind you the whole time. It appeared to you as if the sun stayed still and the earth was rotating.

Lets now say you are in a car with a video camera. You point it out the window while the car is going 60mph. Now it looks like everything in the car is stationary and the scenery is going by at 60mph. But we know that the scenery is not moving, right?

So when you were in your shuttle all it meant was that you were going the same apparent speed as the sun and that made the earth appear as if it were moving. It doesn't prove which was moving. You have to assume you weren't moving to think the earth was. The other assumption would be the earth stayed still and you and the sun rotated around it.