Universal Laws of Heavenly Bodies

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zone

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There are well thought out conspiracy theories which prove that man could not possibly have landed on the moon, ie scientifically impossible! Therefore, WHAT MIRRORS. Do we have 100% proof of mirrors on moon?
la dee da...
muching on chips....
boy, this is a cliff hanger!
 

Grandpa

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Shall I put you out of your misery and tell you why they refuse to tell us how the baseline is derived?

Or do you know already?

Your a smart fella I think you know.
What I've found is their baseline is just a proportion and a guess. It was quite disappointing actually.
I keep reading the studies that AOK posts and they seem like they prove everything until you read more and realize the assumptions they are making.
They post everything like it is fact and they don't realize the assumptions that are made.
 

Grandpa

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thats the idea aint it?
yea, hath God REALLY said....?
I felt this same way when I learned that evolution wasn't true. It made me wonder. Why would they teach things as fact when they are not fact? Pride, maybe?

People are just as astounded when you make fun of evolution. Its quite funny if you have that sort of sense of humor...
 

zone

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QUOTE~

Professor Eilam Gross of the Weizmann Institute of Science, described the "Big Bang" theory in terms amazingly consistent with the story of the Creation in the Torah and Kabbalah literature.

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We briefly review the reference to just some of these concepts in the Torah and the Kabbalah:

"The origin of the universe at a single point"

According to the Kabbalah of Ha'ari, the emergence of the worlds began at a single point that occurred after the first "contraction" of the "infinite light" that filled all space prior to the Creation. According to the Kabbalah, the beginning of the creation of the physical world was in the formation of the primal material, and immediately after its formation the dimension of time was created. The process continued with the formation of the different types of individual creatures, including the different materials of which they are composed and time allotted to each of them.

"The ancient light trapped within plasma"

As early as Rashi's commentary of Genesis, we find mention that the Creator hid the ancient light of the six days of the Creation. Since then, this light has been referred to in Kabbalah literature as "the hidden light" (or ganuz). The hidden light is revealed in the teachings of the Kabbalah and Jewish mysticism to those who learn it, and will be revealed to all humanity in the future.

"The universe spread out and cooled"

Kabbalah literature explains the interpretation of the name of the Creator,SH-D-I: she'amar le'olamo dai – He who told the world enough(!). According to Jewish-Kabbalah tradition about the creation of the world, in the beginning, the heavens stretched out infinitely, until the Creator told them "enough"(!) and stopped the spreading of the heavens and the entire universe – a process parallel to restriction, cooling and gelling.

SOURCE: The big Bang, Kabbalah in the wourld
wow.
learn something "new" everyday:rolleyes:
 

zone

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Naw.. we understand him just fine: Narcisstic disruptive infantile troll always trying to be the center of attention.
hi AoK.
i hope you are having a lovely day.
zone.
 

zone

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So now the thread has degraded into a we've never gone into space because some astronauts were members of one freemason order or another. Wonderful. Thanks zone. You and strange have polluted another great thread with your ridulous nonsense and his trollish behavior. I'm going to go find something else to do with my day.
ok.
i'll stay out of it.
carry on.
 

zone

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What I've found is their baseline is just a proportion and a guess. It was quite disappointing actually.
I keep reading the studies that AOK posts and they seem like they prove everything until you read more and realize the assumptions they are making.
They post everything like it is fact and they don't realize the assumptions that are made.
2 Corinthians 4:4
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God

2 Corinthians 2:11
in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes.

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
 

zone

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I felt this same way when I learned that evolution wasn't true. It made me wonder. Why would they teach things as fact when they are not fact? Pride, maybe?

People are just as astounded when you make fun of evolution. Its quite funny if you have that sort of sense of humor...
stay on this track Grandpa.

don't ever forget what we are up against.

1 John 5:19
We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
 
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Well that was my point. Let's say you were up in a shuttle and you were looking at the earth. You "saw" the earth rotate and the sun was behind you the whole time. It appeared to you as if the sun stayed still and the earth was rotating.

Lets now say you are in a car with a video camera. You point it out the window while the car is going 60mph. Now it looks like everything in the car is stationary and the scenery is going by at 60mph. But we know that the scenery is not moving, right?

So when you were in your shuttle all it meant was that you were going the same apparent speed as the sun and that made the earth appear as if it were moving. It doesn't prove which was moving. You have to assume you weren't moving to think the earth was. The other assumption would be the earth stayed still and you and the sun rotated around it.
This reminds me of a Martin Luther quote...

"There was mention of a certain astrologer [the sun worshipper Copernicus] who wanted to prove that the earth moves and not the sky, the sun, and the moon. This would be as if somebody were riding on a cart or in a ship and imagined that he was standing still while the earth and the trees were moving.

So it goes now. Whoever wants to be clever must agree with nothing that others esteem. He must do something of his own. This is what that fellow does who wishes to turn the whole of astronomy upside down. Even in these things that are thrown into disorder I believe the Holy Scriptures, for Joshua commanded the sun to stand still and not the earth [Jos. 10:12].”
 

zone

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This reminds me of a Martin Luther quote...

"There was mention of a certain astrologer [the sun worshipper Copernicus] who wanted to prove that the earth moves and not the sky, the sun, and the moon. This would be as if somebody were riding on a cart or in a ship and imagined that he was standing still while the earth and the trees were moving.

So it goes now. Whoever wants to be clever must agree with nothing that others esteem. He must do something of his own. This is what that fellow does who wishes to turn the whole of astronomy upside down. Even in these things that are thrown into disorder I believe the Holy Scriptures, for Joshua commanded the sun to stand still and not the earth [Jos. 10:12].”

GOD BLESS MARTIN LUTHER
 
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I felt this same way when I learned that evolution wasn't true. It made me wonder. Why would they teach things as fact when they are not fact? Pride, maybe?

People are just as astounded when you make fun of evolution. Its quite funny if you have that sort of sense of humor...
Science is built upon nature. If you wish to present an argument built entirely upon nature, a scientist would be much more willing to address your stance.

The fact that we know there is more than just nature doesn't change the science of things. Thus science by its very nature MUST rely on nature and only nature. Once supernature becomes involved, it is no longer science.

Complain all you want about the philosophy of science. Maybe you'd rather science be something else, but it isn't.
 
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What I've found is their baseline is just a proportion and a guess. It was quite disappointing actually.
I keep reading the studies that AOK posts and they seem like they prove everything until you read more and realize the assumptions they are making.
They post everything like it is fact and they don't realize the assumptions that are made.
In fact the baseline they use to calcualte star distances (and therefore 'prove' the Earth is spinning by claiming the stars are too distant to orbit the Earth in 24 hours) is the very image of circular reasoning.

The baseline is derived from their ASSUMPTION of the earths orbit of the sun...which is totally unproven. So they take a measurement of parallax and then six months later take another measurement ASSUMING the Earth has travelled 186 million miles to the other side of its (unproven) orbit.

Lolz...thats some majorly assumed baseline.



This is the method upon which all star distances are calculated.

It's total rubbish.
 
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I felt this same way when I learned that evolution wasn't true. It made me wonder. Why would they teach things as fact when they are not fact? Pride, maybe?

People are just as astounded when you make fun of evolution. Its quite funny if you have that sort of sense of humor...
Thing is Gramps, its all connected.

You simply CANNOT have darwinian evilution without HELIOCENTRICITY.

Thats why Copernicus and the murdering witch Kepler had to come before Charlie.
 
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2 Corinthians 4:4
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God

2 Corinthians 2:11
in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes.

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
If I may add Timmy...

(1 Timothy 6:20) O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

(1 Timothy 6:21) Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
 
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stay on this track Grandpa.

don't ever forget what we are up against.

1 John 5:19
We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
Oh but that cant possibly include the scientific establishment and NASA!




Could it?
 
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Shall I put you out of your misery and tell you why they refuse to tell us how the baseline is derived?

Or do you know already?

Your a smart fella I think you know.
I think you should state the facts and let them attempt to refute the trigonometric reality.
 
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hi buddy
exciting ya?

the theorists are toast.

and if you get invoved...and jimmy wakes up....well......

bye bye FREEMASONIC SCIENCE FAIR! LOLOLOL
The "Free" Masons aren't any more "free" than man's will. (And I'm not even Calvinist!)