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So not wanting my Church to be persecuted for not performing and otherwise accepting transgenderism and homosexual marriage. And fighting against the removal of children from a Christian home because the parents refuse to acknowledge that their son demands to be referred to as a girl is forcing my morality on others!!?

Examine yourself brother. Your statements are becoming absurd.
and your statements are inaccurate.

No church can be compelled to marry anyone. jut recently it came out that a pastor refused to marry an interracial couple and that refusal is perfectly legal.

As for the removal of a child from a home, i don't know of any such removal for that reason. i am aware of several transgender youth being taken in by child protective services because of abuse and violence. There was a recent case in Indiana where the parents sues protective services claiming it was that the abuse they were inflicting on their transgender child was part of their right to free speech and free practice of their religious beliefs. (fortunately the court did not agree with them)
 
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NO we voted to keep millions of illegals flooding the borders
the highest rate of illegal immigration happened in 2006 during the Bush administration

to stop our youth from fentanyl overdoses,
Homeland security reports that the primary sources of fentanyl smuggling are by drug traffic organizations smuggling it through legal checkpoints and US citizens engaging in smuggling.



terrorists coming into the country,
Fact check


and sex trafficking to stop on the border and would build a wall to stop them.
and how would that work?



NO we voted for a president that would stand with parents, and not call them terrorists because they don't want their children sexualized, transgender being pushed and telling them they're all racists.
it's easy to stand up against something that isn't being done.

NO we voted for a president that wouldn't close down drilling, then blame the fuel companies for high gas, then go ask our enemies for gas because they depleted our reserves.
drilling in the US has increased 12% since Trump left office


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what about manufactured outrage?
Rape is?! I wouldn't think so. But if you do...



Almost 40% of transgender teens are sexually assaulted at their school.
"manufactured outrage" ;)


Ref: G Merchison School restroom and locker room restrictions and sexual assault risk among transgender youth.
The answer to that is not to put girls at risk. Maybe they could use the teachers bathroom and change there.


you mean confided in a teacher and teacher not outing the child because that child could reasonably face abuse in violence in their home if they were outed.
No one has a right to talk to my child behind my back about anything, let alone their sexuality.


Myths usually are disgusting
This is a Christian site. I can't post the videos here that would prove you wrong. So you go do an honest search about it, oh wait you won't. I will amend my statement this far, not all trans agree with what is being done and a small group have spoken out against it.



how about the fact that they aren't?
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2022/...acted-persons-outraging-victim-advocates.html

https://ecsa.lucyfaithfull.org/b4u-act


the ad was in bad taste but your inaccurate description of it is just as bad.
https://nypost.com/2022/11/21/balen...NT01yqylRZP91D3fFo4x_KvWfNR9eOlF_4oLlDYqkdvJ0
 
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Rape is?! I wouldn't think so. But if you do...
you were talking abotu girls sports and your personal dislike of transexuals. what rape?



"manufactured outrage" ;)
not outrage just facts.

though it makes me wonder why you aren't outraged at the 1000 plus rapes of transgender teens that have occurred in the schools last year.



The answer to that is not to put girls at risk. Maybe they could use the teachers bathroom and change there.
its the rest room restrictions that lead to the sexual assaults of trans youth.



No one has a right to talk to my child behind my back about anything, let alone their sexuality.
what about the kids who are being sexually abused in their homes. do they have the right to speak to someone?


This is a Christian site. I can't post the videos here that would prove you wrong. So you go do an honest search about it, oh wait you won't. I will amend my statement this far, not all trans agree with what is being done and a small group have spoken out against it.





https://www.pennlive.com/news/2022/...acted-persons-outraging-victim-advocates.html
what Miranda Galbreath, the psychologist in question here (and BTW she is a psychologist who works with sex offenders, not a sex therapist) actually said was that we need a way to differentiate between people how have abused children sexually and those who have never touched or harmed a child. Not quite the same thing is it?




i see a kid in a purple jumper not "little children in bondage gear."
 
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The constitution of the U.S. begins thus: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union..."

It's "We, the people.." who were made sovereign over this nation by this nation's laws. The ways of this nation necessarily reflect the will of the people because they were given the role as "sovereign".

Should we not have expected this? Did we think the great falling away was for the world except the U.S.? All it takes is for "the people" to turn from God and that is what we are seeing. I mean, this isn't even a profound mystery. This is so obvious. The only way one could not see it is to have some misplaced affection for the U.S. or to think the U.S. is a "Christian nation". God's nation cannot have, as its sovereign, the people.
Did you know that The People have a right to impeach the President. We dont have to wait for congress or the house .
You brung up a very good point "WE THE PEOPLE" problem is that we gave voice to those that are not "WE THE PEOPLE" by giving special rights and concerns.
When you favor one over another you take away from one so that another may have...follow me?
God is not a respecter of persons... as scripture reads all are one in CHRIST JESUS.
Divide and conquer is satans tool....where the Lord sets the table for all.
I agree that the biggest famine in the west is the lack of the true gospel preached and taught, memorized and walked. But i ask you who responsibility is that?
The media only focusses on those who want change. In truth that is only 3 to 5 percent of the population but they want you to believe its a huge number. Another lie.
The title of this post proves it...Im a US citizen im not in favor of gay marriage.
 
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Did you know that The People have a right to impeach the President. We dont have to wait for congress or the house .
You brung up a very good point "WE THE PEOPLE" problem is that we gave voice to those that are not "WE THE PEOPLE" by giving special rights and concerns.
what special rights? and to who?


The media only focusses on those who want change. In truth that is only 3 to 5 percent of the population but they want you to believe its a huge number. Another lie.
how big does a minority have to be before discrimination becose wrong? What is the magic number? 10%? 12%?

The title of this post proves it...Im a US citizen im not in favor of gay marriage.
then don't have one
 
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the highest rate of illegal immigration happened in 2006 during the Bush administration


And what does that have to do with what I said? Bushes were Rinos.





https://nypost.com/2022/07/25/over-500k-immigrant-gotaways-at-border-may-be-in-us-report/


and how would that work?


You think real hard on that complicated question and come up with an answer. I have faith in you. How can closing the border to coyotes would work. Ooops I think I gave it away.



drilling in the US has increased 12% since Trump left office


Biden just said " No more drilling" about a week ago.
 
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I'm not arguing in favor - to me there's nothing more horrifying and it's beyond shocking the cultural changes that have occurred in my lifetime..

But we DO have to have a biblical response, understanding clearly that the state/government system is completely separate from "the church".

That said, I think there's a lot we can and should do politically - I am appalled at what young people are dealing with these days trying to get an education so they can enter the workforce and attempting to raise children in such an environment.

My stepson enrolled in college and the first day, the second he hit the campus he was told he had to attend a mandatory class for new male students.

In this one day class they made mandatory he was berated as a rapist (he's actually a young Christ centered man), and told exactly how evil these people thought he was based on the fact he was a man.

He tried attending regular classes after this but it was all so crazy he left (dropped all classes) college within a week. He just couldn't stomach the constant propaganda.

Things like this are serious social issues - how can we live in such a society and what's our future here?

At the same time we aren't here creating a theological state.

When the majority was Christian society was far different - clearly Christianity is no longer the majority. And as a minority group inside this country - we have to determine the best way forward IN Christ... Not just reacting in the flesh.
I totally hear you!!!

The problem is good people (conservatives, normal, rational people, critical thinkers) which includes Christians withdrew from their role in society especially within academia and the liberals and far left slowly took over indoctrinating the students and now it has filtered down to elementary school.

I so feel for your stepson, it is a crazy world within education. I think the battle is lost, too many people have been indoctrinated and some are on this web site as evidence.

How western civilization will fall apart, I am not sure, it could go in a few different directions.

It is just sad when professing Christians have bought into post modern liberalism/ libertarianism//wokism.

There are some "bright lights" here and there but not sure it will be enough.
 
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Good point. How much unrighteousness should we support?



How does not voting for the basest of men equate to abdicating our role as salt and light?
I have no idea where the threshold is for support. I think we each have to grapple with that, how much weight we put on past bad behaviour and how much that will affect how they handle themselves in office.

I think a lot of that philandering is behind him, so not sure if we should judge the person based on past behaviour.

They are all compromised on some level, very few get to hold high office without forming alliances with sinister people and accepting dark money.

I still think when it comes to moral decay, we can be active on a local level, it may be a sinking ship but if we can slow the process and rescue some from harm it is worth it to try.
 
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so they are, whatever the prevailing moral ethics are. The sad fact is that bible believing Christians are now a minority.

This battle can only be won by prayer ... and soul winning.

How far down the church has fallen alas. We will hope in God.
I disagree, I think we can work locally within our communities and organize. It takes a long time for change, but when I look at the pro life movement look how they have worked tirelessly to raise public awareness and there are young people in my community who have held awareness demonstrations at their schools.

The Gospel is always important, however, holding back evil is not any less significant to protect society from itself. I think the resistance movement in Germany during WWII is a good example
 
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And what does that have to do with what I said? Bushes were Rinos.
that the rate of illegal immigration has been falling since 2006 at a steady rate and that rate didn't change during the Trump administration





You think real hard on that complicated question and come up with an answer. I have faith in you. How can closing the border to coyotes would work. Ooops I think I gave it away.

well according to homeland security almost all known cases of human trafficking entering the United States came in either through Canada or through eastern seaboard ports so i'm really not sure what any sort of wall on the Mexican border would accomplish...



Biden just said " No more drilling" about a week ago.
actually he was responding to a question about the creation of more federal land drilling permits and he said that his administration would approve no more such permits because there are over 9000 such permits currently available but the oil companies have let these sit unclaimed for years.
 

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There is a delusion but it is not the last days.

Delusion has always existed, now we have the internet and other sources to make more ubiquitous.
2 Thessalonians 2:2-12

"2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
 

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Did you know that The People have a right to impeach the President. We dont have to wait for congress or the house .
You brung up a very good point "WE THE PEOPLE" problem is that we gave voice to those that are not "WE THE PEOPLE" by giving special rights and concerns.
When you favor one over another you take away from one so that another may have...follow me?
God is not a respecter of persons... as scripture reads all are one in CHRIST JESUS.
Divide and conquer is satans tool....where the Lord sets the table for all.
I agree that the biggest famine in the west is the lack of the true gospel preached and taught, memorized and walked. But i ask you who responsibility is that?
The media only focusses on those who want change. In truth that is only 3 to 5 percent of the population but they want you to believe its a huge number. Another lie.
The title of this post proves it...Im a US citizen im not in favor of gay marriage.
I agree with everything you wrote in red.

I don't understand what you mean by
"problem is that we gave voice to those that are not "WE THE PEOPLE" by giving special rights and concerns."

Are you talking about homosexuals? Transexuals? In the kingdom of God there is no place for the sexually immoral. But U.S. law rejects discrimination based upon a person's choice of legal sexual behavior. According to elections, just looking at blue vs red, it would seem that about half of the population agrees with the blue ideal. But we mustn't conflate the kingdom of God and the US. they are two often diametrically opposed kingdoms. In fact, democracy might be THE form of government most unlike the rule of a king.
 
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that the rate of illegal immigration has been falling since 2006 at a steady rate and that rate didn't change during the Trump administration
Nope, not under Biden.



well according to homeland security almost all known cases of human trafficking entering the United States came in either through Canada or through eastern seaboard ports so i'm really not sure what any sort of wall on the Mexican border would accomplish...
There is both rape and sex trafficking happening at the border, that is a fact.



actually he was responding to a question about the creation of more federal land drilling permits and he said that his administration would approve no more such permits because there are over 9000 such permits currently available but the oil companies have let these sit unclaimed for years.
He said no more drilling because of their commitment to climate change. Why would oil companies even bother when he plans to shut them all down? Why invest?
 

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There is a delusion but it is not the last days.

Delusion has always existed, now we have the internet and other sources to make more ubiquitous.
I don't know if Jesus is close to returning or anything - but the delusion of this day is new - and very spiritual.

My husband and I are very politically active - probably our main hobby together - and we were both on a large political discussion forum back in 2010 and beyond...

It was awesome because it was very large, everyone was intelligent and the discussions were lengthy, well thought out and well written. All views were represented - right, left and center and everything in between yet back then it was all very cordial. Not like today.

At any rate after 2012 something odd occurred. It was sudden, almost seemingly overnight - everything changed.

Many people who used to argue politics on our side (conservative republican) suddenly changed their tune and started arguing from a far left point of view, and others that had always been left leaning suddenly started arguing on our side.

One guy who we had determined was mentally ill suddenly became perfectly sane (that one was completely freaky).

I wasn't immune either - during this time period when everyone was seemingly changing is also the time period I was saved.

If it hadn't happened to so many people at the same time - all this becoming whoever we were going to be - I wouldn't have noticed. But it was far too many people and the changes so extreme (like me going from being Muslim to becoming Christian is an extreme change) that no matter who you were you took notice that something very spiritual occured.

And that spiritual occurrence is the main cause of all we are seeing today. A delusion? On one side yes .. and that delusion was and still is exceedingly powerful - but He brought many others home too, like myself.

But what happened isn't normal... Not the way it happened.
 
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2 Thessalonians 2:2-12

"2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."


2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.

Matthew 24:34

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

The audience who heard this is the generation to whom it applied.
How would these people have understood this otherwise, he states very clearly "soon" to them.
The temple was destroyed in 70 AD. Jesus spoke about this directly.