using Yahweh when writing about God

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Yahweh_is_gracious

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I don't use the term Yahweh when referring to God. The only reason it is in my username is because the name John/Jon means "Yahweh is Gracious".
 
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I don't like the idea of using Yahweh, Jehovah, YHWH, or versions of those when writing about God.

because the Apostles never did it

and because Jesus Christ is the only name available to humans that can save us. If the name God used for himself is available to us now, then theoretically that would save us, too.
I also PREFER 'Jesus Christ' but I understand that it sounds different in other languages other than English. Technically they have a right to use that as long as it means Jesus. They mix language words all the time. Words like 'taco' or 'burrito' are not English words, they're Spanish. But we speak it all the time. Speaking in other languages was a gift of the Holy Spirit at one point, to teach others of Christ. And at that time they did not say "Jesus" in English, the bible was first written in Hebrew and Greek.

Letting go of these personal preferences is part of bearing with one another in Christian love.
 

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In turn, it is certain you are aware that Yahweh named Himself for Moses and the Children of Israel.

My own manner of thinking says clearly I have no power over anyone, not even over myself when it comes to Salvation, it is all the work of Jesus Christ. I do not want power over anything or anyone. My prayer is that God always be over me and all with which I ma to deal.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ and hear Him, amen.
yes! the name God gave himself! which we don't know anymore, we have to guess at it...



the apostles never use yhwh or yahweh.

have you learned something they didn't know? (serious question... maybe the spirit has shown you something new.)
 

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I also PREFER 'Jesus Christ' but I understand that it sounds different in other languages other than English. Technically they have a right to use that as long as it means Jesus. They mix language words all the time. Words like 'taco' or 'burrito' are not English words, they're Spanish. But we speak it all the time. Speaking in other languages was a gift of the Holy Spirit at one point, to teach others of Christ. And at that time they did not say "Jesus" in English, the bible was first written in Hebrew and Greek.

Letting go of these personal preferences is part of bearing with one another in Christian love.
oh yes, I'm with you that people can pronounce Jesus whatever in way their language works.

and 'yeshua' is fine too, I think... it has all the pieces it has in the Greek.

(though, I'm against the possible underlying idea that hebrew language or culture is somehow more Authentic than greek.)
 

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It is a very simple exercise to convert a verb into a gerund in any language. Yahweh is the gerund form of hayah, no mystery.

When Yahweh told Moses what to call Him, He used that form of the transitie verb in Hebrew of "to be."

The only variance in the pronuciation of Yahweh would mainly fall under the auspices of the person's accent. Yahweh, Yahve, Yahva, etc. The only blatant mispronuciation would be Jehovah since there is not J sound in Hebrew.

Just as Yahweh "named Himself," so did Yahweh name Yeshua, having given this name to Mary and Joseph for the Child to be born. Yeshua is not translated, it is only sounded out from the Hebbrew to Engilsh letters, alphabet.

Yeshua translates to English, The Salvation of Yahweh. Or the Salvagtion of the SElf-Existing. I also love the living God.

Nothing above changes the Salvation of any who are saved by the Blood of the Lamb of God, but to deny our faith in denying our heritage in the Israel of God is not good. It is never good.

God bless all in Jesus Christ, amen.

yes! the name God gave himself! which we don't know anymore, we have to guess at it...



the apostles never use yhwh or yahweh.

have you learned something they didn't know? (serious question... maybe the spirit has shown you something new.)
 

JaumeJ

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Here are some examples of changing a verb in English to a gerund..or...the noun form of the verb.

To talk would be talking, i.e. Talking is always good.

To walk would be walking. Walking is always good.

To read. Reading is always good.

Just as it is a simple matter to convert a verb to a gerund in English, so it is in Hebrew.......no mystery.
 

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I'm sure you know that in hebrew thought, naming something shows power over that thing...

"The man gave names to all livestock, and to the birds of the sky, and to every animal of the field"

of course, how it will be pronounced will vary from one person to another.

naming a thing does not give power over it, but rather empowers the creature, the Hebrew thought is not having power over others but rather an expression of empowerment from our Creator, if folks are more comfortable referring to Him with a title, that's certainly their choice, myself id rather have a more intimate relationship with Him and His son... I want to get as close as I can.
 

JaumeJ

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Just as Jesus Christ could not be caught up by the hypocrites cvoncerning the law, so also the Apostles, who are Children of Israel, would not be caught up in points of the law. All of them would have called Jesus by His name in the language of Israel and the Temple, Yeshua.

Keep in mind God named Himself Yahweh, and He named His only begotten Son, Yeshua. None of the Apostles would have called Him Jesus. This came in to being after the New Testament came into being, long after.

If the New Testament is first conceivd in Greek it is ony a natural move to transliterate the Hebrew name of our Lord, given Him by God into what was then Iesous, but this does not say any of Christ's contemporaries called Him by any name other than the name God gave to His parents by His Angel.

It is not good to teach the traditions of man as though they are written in stone by God. Folks, lighten up, all of His neames are correct when the heart is in the right place.

It is not necessary to call Jesus, Yeshua, but please do not chide or think you may correct anyone for calling Him Yeshua, neither name is translated to English..........The Salvation of Yahweh.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, and who hear Him, amen.
 

Dan_473

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It is a very simple exercise to convert a verb into a gerund in any language. Yahweh is the gerund form of hayah, no mystery.

When Yahweh told Moses what to call Him, He used that form of the transitie verb in Hebrew of "to be."

The only variance in the pronuciation of Yahweh would mainly fall under the auspices of the person's accent. Yahweh, Yahve, Yahva, etc. The only blatant mispronuciation would be Jehovah since there is not J sound in Hebrew.

Just as Yahweh "named Himself," so did Yahweh name Yeshua, having given this name to Mary and Joseph for the Child to be born. Yeshua is not translated, it is only sounded out from the Hebbrew to Engilsh letters, alphabet.

Yeshua translates to English, The Salvation of Yahweh. Or the Salvagtion of the SElf-Existing. I also love the living God.

Nothing above changes the Salvation of any who are saved by the Blood of the Lamb of God, but to deny our faith in denying our heritage in the Israel of God is not good. It is never good.

God bless all in Jesus Christ, amen.
thanks for the answer, I don't think you answered this part:

have you learned something they didn't know? (serious question... maybe the spirit has shown you something new.)
 

Dan_473

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naming a thing does not give power over it, but rather empowers the creature, the Hebrew thought is not having power over others but rather an expression of empowerment from our Creator, if folks are more comfortable referring to Him with a title, that's certainly their choice, myself id rather have a more intimate relationship with Him and His son... I want to get as close as I can.
have you learned something the apostles didn't know? (serious question... maybe the spirit has shown you something new.)
 

JaumeJ

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It has been going over and over again in my heart and mind, and I really do b elieve if God names anything or anyone, that name should be acceptable by all.

God not only gave His name to Moses, but He also told Mary and Joseph what to name the Child tob be born to them.

God gave the names Yahweh and Yeshua.........no other name did He give.

Gentiles (me and most of you) later changed teh nature of Yeshua to Iesous, then Yesu, and then Jesus.

Yeshua may be translated as the Salvation of Yahweh.

Again it does not matter which name one uses, but to deny the name god gave Himself and His Only Begotten Son is just a little bit over the top as per the authority of man..
 

Dan_473

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Just as Jesus Christ could not be caught up by the hypocrites cvoncerning the law, so also the Apostles, who are Children of Israel, would not be caught up in points of the law. All of them would have called Jesus by His name in the language of Israel and the Temple, Yeshua.

Keep in mind God named Himself Yahweh, and He named His only begotten Son, Yeshua. None of the Apostles would have called Him Jesus. This came in to being after the New Testament came into being, long after.

If the New Testament is first conceivd in Greek it is ony a natural move to transliterate the Hebrew name of our Lord, given Him by God into what was then Iesous, but this does not say any of Christ's contemporaries called Him by any name other than the name God gave to His parents by His Angel.

It is not good to teach the traditions of man as though they are written in stone by God. Folks, lighten up, all of His neames are correct when the heart is in the right place.

It is not necessary to call Jesus, Yeshua, but please do not chide or think you may correct anyone for calling Him Yeshua, neither name is translated to English..........The Salvation of Yahweh.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ, and who hear Him, amen.

imo, the name Jesus is kind of a different topic than yhwh...

we can certainly talk about it after we finish the yhwh issues...

short version: for me, either Jesus or Yeshua is fine.
 

JaumeJ

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The post is quite valid here for it stresses that God named Himself to Moses and His People (we are His people), and He named Jesus Christ.

Again, I will stress, any name used with understanding and reverence in reference to God is totally acceptable, but it is not acceptable to bar anyone's use of a name just because itis from the Hebrew. It seem people are only too happy to use Greek translations of words but as soon as they hear the word, Hebrew, it is yikes I am outta here......

Jesus teaches teh faith of Abraham, really, it's in the Book.

imo, the name Jesus is kind of a different topic than yhwh...

we can certainly talk about it after we finish the yhwh issues...

short version: for me, either Jesus or Yeshua is fine.
 

Dan_473

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The post is quite valid here for it stresses that God named Himself to Moses and His People (we are His people), and He named Jesus Christ.

Again, I will stress, any name used with understanding and reverence in reference to God is totally acceptable, but it is not acceptable to bar anyone's use of a name just because itis from the Hebrew. It seem people are only too happy to use Greek translations of words but as soon as they hear the word, Hebrew, it is yikes I am outta here......

Jesus teaches teh faith of Abraham, really, it's in the Book.

I'll be happy to talk about Jesus/Yeshua just a soon as we finish with "yhwh"...

I'm hoping you'll answer this...
have you learned something the apostles didn't know? (serious question... maybe the spirit has shown you something new.)
 

JaumeJ

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Are you not aware when we speak of Yeshua we spaek of the Father, the Ruler of Peace, the Comforter, God Almighty and so many more titles of His Kingship.

Yahweh declares in the Old Testament, "I am your Savior, and I am your King." This may only be Yeshua, Who actually is Yahweh. They are One.

If you believe you are discussing someone other than God when we discuss His name, then you are right, start another thread as though Yeshua and Yahweh are separate, but I can have nothing to do with that one.
 

Dan_473

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Are you not aware when we speak of Yeshua we spaek of the Father, the Ruler of Peace, the Comforter, God Almighty and so many more titles of His Kingship.

Yahweh declares in the Old Testament, "I am your Savior, and I am your King." This may only be Yeshua, Who actually is Yahweh. They are One.

If you believe you are discussing someone other than God when we discuss His name, then you are right, start another thread as though Yeshua and Yahweh are separate, but I can have nothing to do with that one.

sure, we can talk about Yeshua first.

my understanding is that it's hebrew/aramaic for "Jah is salvation" or "Jah saves"

is that your feeling, too?
 

JaumeJ

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The translation was with the original text when the Angel of Yahweh told Mary and Joseph to call the Child Yeshua (Jesus) for He will save His people. It has been available since the time of the Apostles, yet ignored.

As for being albe to pronouce the name, Yahweh, in addition wo what I have already posted in this thread about gerunds and how it applies to the name Yahweh from the verb Hayah, there is also other well-known yet ignored evidence as t how to pronouce the name.

Elijah is pronounced in Hebrew, Eliyahu. Yah is the short for Yahwe. Yeshiyahu or Isaiah is just one more example of being able to at least pronouce the shortened name Yah, with accuracy. Of course a gerund from Hayah is pronounc3ed according to Hebrew language rules, or, Yahweh.

There are many with urg3ent-to them cause who would say the name cannot be pronounced but what they are erally saying is the Rabbinical laws forbid pronouncing the name

It is odd thsi rabbinical law came about since God, Yahweh's fame is to be proclaimed among the nation. It gives much upon wich to meditate, but people tend to prefer to ignore the elephant in the room

sure, we can talk about Yeshua first.

my understanding is that it's hebrew/aramaic for "Jah is salvation" or "Jah saves"

is that your feeling, too?
 

JaumeJ

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I am going to hit the hay soon, it is almost 8 pm here, but I would like to leave all with a glorious wonder.

Yahweh means Self-Existing One Who Is.

Yeshua means the Salvation of Yah(weh):

Come the great tribulation , and someone who is not yet save calls in earnest to "Whoever you are, save me." If this person is in earnest, he will be saved by our Lord, Jesus Christ right there. Now is this not the glor of Love, I mean Love that is God?

The prophet Joels said it, "It shall be in that time that whosoever calls upon the name of Yahweh will be saved." Now this is amazing and truly exposes the great mercy of God Almight to all who truly believe.

God bless all who are in Jesus Christ.
 
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FreeNChrist

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It has been going over and over again in my heart and mind, and I really do b elieve if God names anything or anyone, that name should be acceptable by all.

God not only gave His name to Moses, but He also told Mary and Joseph what to name the Child tob be born to them.

God gave the names Yahweh and Yeshua.........no other name did He give.

Gentiles (me and most of you) later changed teh nature of Yeshua to Iesous, then Yesu, and then Jesus.

Yeshua may be translated as the Salvation of Yahweh.

Again it does not matter which name one uses, but to deny the name god gave Himself and His Only Begotten Son is just a little bit over the top as per the authority of man..
The problem isn't with the name, the problem is in thinking that the language the name is spoken in makes any difference to God or to man.
 

Dan_473

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The translation was with the original text when the Angel of Yahweh told Mary and Joseph to call the Child Yeshua (Jesus) for He will save His people. It has been available since the time of the Apostles, yet ignored.

As for being albe to pronouce the name, Yahweh, in addition wo what I have already posted in this thread about gerunds and how it applies to the name Yahweh from the verb Hayah, there is also other well-known yet ignored evidence as t how to pronouce the name.

Elijah is pronounced in Hebrew, Eliyahu. Yah is the short for Yahwe. Yeshiyahu or Isaiah is just one more example of being able to at least pronouce the shortened name Yah, with accuracy. Of course a gerund from Hayah is pronounc3ed according to Hebrew language rules, or, Yahweh.

There are many with urg3ent-to them cause who would say the name cannot be pronounced but what they are erally saying is the Rabbinical laws forbid pronouncing the name

It is odd thsi rabbinical law came about since God, Yahweh's fame is to be proclaimed among the nation. It gives much upon wich to meditate, but people tend to prefer to ignore the elephant in the room
yes, Jah is used as part of names, like Elijah, in the NT... also I think two occurrences of HalleluJah in Revelation.

can you find a place in the NT where yahweh is used when quoting the OT?