Vaccination?

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If a Christian gets vaccinated for the covid Is this a lack of faith?

  • Getting the vaccination means the Christian lacks faith.

  • Getting the vaccination demonstrates love thy neighbor.

  • Other,I will explain.


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AandW

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What does having to force Native Americans, still fighting and attacking Settlers trying to advance Westward in relocation have to do with the Covid Vaccine?

Had the Native Americans been peaceful and allowed the Settlers to pass through rather than attack, kill, steal, the Calvary would have never been called to eradicate [even though the Native American's owned the portion of land eventually called the United States for thousands of years]..
 

AandW

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intruder lands of Europe :unsure::cautious:
I would imagine, to the Native American Peoples, the very sight of the [first ever] person from Europe they literally saw on their Land [the future USA], it was Viewed by Them as these People are INTRUDERS!

I just don't let strangers walk onto my property and into my home and me reacting by Welcoming them to their New Residence!

I'm sure the Native Peoples weren't very happy at all!
 
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Well I just found out that I was exposed to this so called fake virus for the 3rd time in the last month. Everyone in my office has been prety seriously ill. The one who tested positive today after being sick all day yesterday and us all telling him to go home had a fever of 102 last night.

I guess I will wait and see once again how sick I get, as yesterday was the closest contact I had with any of the 4 who got sick..
 

TheLearner

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Lies, damned lies and statistics............. The Delta mutation is far more contagious than the original COVID. Before my state (Victoria) woke up to the extent of the COVID problem initially, hospitals were swamped and 800 people died. There was no vaccine then. There have been close to 1200 deaths in total since the outbreak began. Right now, thousands of people have been infected via just one case that came in on an overseas flight. Deaths are starting to increase again.

Us your brain. If 100% of the population is vaccinated then 100% of hospital cases will have been vaccinated. As raw statistic, it means nothing. None of the vaccine suppliers claim 100% immunity. There is also a lag from the jab to the time antibodies peak. So yes, some vaccinated people may get the virus. I can assure you that 100% of unvaccinated people who come in contact with an infected person will catch it themselves.

Don't tell me a about natural immunity. You have to survive to have that. And don't tell me about population control. Letting the virus run wild will kill more than vaccinating people. It will be free as well. What's not to like? Darwinism at its best.

I visited a good friend in hospital earlier this year. She was on a ventilator for a non COVID illness. Not so long ago, there were not enough ventilators to help every patient. She was fortunate. And you don't want to be on a ventilator anyway. Converstations tend to be one sided when you have a tube shoved down your throat.

I don't care if people don't want to get vaccinated. It's their right. I do object to fake news, misleading statistics, conspiracy theories and downright lies being spread to deter people from choosing to be vaccinated.
friend, please follow the links I posted on natural immunity .
 

TheLearner

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Look closely at what I said:

"Furthermore, modern vaccines owe their existence to the research and development of stem cells from murdered babies."

Notice I didn't say that all modern vaccines contain stem cells or were necessarily derived directly from stem cells. I said that modern vaccines exist because of research and development on stem cells.

My question is, should vaccines that were not directly derived from stem cells, but were developed using knowledge of stem cells, be a moral of ethical problem for a Christian?
Hi friend, I was under the impression that links I gave supported what you wrote. Using knowledge in a positive context is not a problem in my opinion. I am too tired to think of examples from something different right now. Maybe you can come up with some.
 

AandW

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Well I just found out that I was exposed to this so called fake virus for the 3rd time in the last month. Everyone in my office has been prety seriously ill. The one who tested positive today after being sick all day yesterday and us all telling him to go home had a fever of 102 last night.

I guess I will wait and see once again how sick I get, as yesterday was the closest contact I had with any of the 4 who got sick..

What cracks me up most, is we just read of a man who died of heart failure [NOT COVID RELATED], but he was trying to be admitted into his local Emergency Room and was REFUSED not just in his local hospital, but EVERY hospital he tried in his home State of Residence plus his family drove him to nearby States and their hospitals and he was REFUSED Admittance and eventually died looking to be Admitted SOMEWHERE!

You know why ALL OF THESE HOSPITALS REFUSED his Admittance?

EVERY ROOM AND BED IN EVERY HOSPITAL HE TRIED TO BE ADMITTED TO WAS COMPLETELY FLOOR TO FLOOR, AND WALL TO WALL, FULL OF PEOPLE SICK FROM THIS FAKE COVID VIRUS THAT DOES NOT EXIST. BUT YET, HOSPITALS, ARE REFUSING ADMITTANCE TO ANYONE ELSE BECAUSE BEDS ARE FULL OF PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM THIS FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE VIRUS!



I know personally from first hand experience, in my State, when a friend of mine had surgery and the pain meds were taking longer to wear off, they FORCED ME to take her home and follow instructions to insure her complete Recovery.
Want to know why a Woman, who can afford Top Service and Private Rooms at whim whenever entering the Hospitals around here was [FORCED] to leave before she fully Recovered?
BECAUSE TEXANS AND ARIZONIANS, WHOM THOUGHT AND BELIEVED COVID VIRUS WAS FAKE FAKE FAKE LIKE DON'T EXIST, ARE BEING DRIVEN BY AMBULANCE AND FLOWN BY CHOPPERS FROM THEIR STATE TO MINE AND FILLING UP MY STATES HOSPITAL BEDS FULL OF PEOPLE SICK FROM THIS FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE VIRUS!


Want to know what's crazy about that?
Texas and Arizona are generally 100% Right Wing and know these Reports about Covid were FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE NEWS!
 

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Well I just found out that I was exposed to this so called fake virus for the 3rd time in the last month. Everyone in my office has been prety seriously ill. The one who tested positive today after being sick all day yesterday and us all telling him to go home had a fever of 102 last night.

I guess I will wait and see once again how sick I get, as yesterday was the closest contact I had with any of the 4 who got sick..
Praying for you.
Praying for all here....
 
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Praying for you.
Praying for all here....
I am more worried about my coworker. He is older than me an Unvaccinated. I just pray he got it like my one coworker who had no symptoms. And not the other two who were very sick. Not sure him and or his wife would do well.

Thank you for your prayers.
 

Nehemiah6

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...FILLING UP MY STATES HOSPITAL BEDS FULL OF PEOPLE SICK FROM THIS FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE VIRUS!
You have totally missed the point of the fakery. It is the vaccinated people who are filling up the hospitals!
Why Did CDC Stop Recording Vax Breakthrough Cases On May 1st?
https://principia-scientific.com/why-did-cdc-stop-recording-vax-breakthrough-cases-on-may-1st/
"At the time the CDC stopped tracking the incidents of vaccinated persons contracting COVID-19 and being hospitalized, many people wondered why? Obviously if you stop recording vaccinated persons who are hospitalized, it will look like only unvaccinated persons are being hospitalized by the variants in the CDC records."

Also, hospitals would have remained empty if the medical establishment had not (1) SABOTAGED, (2) ATTACKED, (3) SUPPRESSED AND (4) BANNED the HCQ combo pack and Ivermectin. They continue to attack these since they want people to die.

And do you know for a fact that the people in hospitals are actually suffering from coronavirus? Influenza has been sending people to hospitals for years, and there is very little difference between the flu and this bogeyman virus. Plus, deaths from any and all causes have been attributed to this "scary" virus. Will you ever get the truth? Very doubtful.
 

iamsoandso

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What cracks me up most, is we just read of a man who died of heart failure [NOT COVID RELATED], but he was trying to be admitted into his local Emergency Room and was REFUSED not just in his local hospital, but EVERY hospital he tried in his home State of Residence plus his family drove him to nearby States and their hospitals and he was REFUSED Admittance and eventually died looking to be Admitted SOMEWHERE!

You know why ALL OF THESE HOSPITALS REFUSED his Admittance?

EVERY ROOM AND BED IN EVERY HOSPITAL HE TRIED TO BE ADMITTED TO WAS COMPLETELY FLOOR TO FLOOR, AND WALL TO WALL, FULL OF PEOPLE SICK FROM THIS FAKE COVID VIRUS THAT DOES NOT EXIST. BUT YET, HOSPITALS, ARE REFUSING ADMITTANCE TO ANYONE ELSE BECAUSE BEDS ARE FULL OF PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM THIS FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE VIRUS!



I know personally from first hand experience, in my State, when a friend of mine had surgery and the pain meds were taking longer to wear off, they FORCED ME to take her home and follow instructions to insure her complete Recovery.
Want to know why a Woman, who can afford Top Service and Private Rooms at whim whenever entering the Hospitals around here was [FORCED] to leave before she fully Recovered?
BECAUSE TEXANS AND ARIZONIANS, WHOM THOUGHT AND BELIEVED COVID VIRUS WAS FAKE FAKE FAKE LIKE DON'T EXIST, ARE BEING DRIVEN BY AMBULANCE AND FLOWN BY CHOPPERS FROM THEIR STATE TO MINE AND FILLING UP MY STATES HOSPITAL BEDS FULL OF PEOPLE SICK FROM THIS FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE VIRUS!


Want to know what's crazy about that?
Texas and Arizona are generally 100% Right Wing and know these Reports about Covid were FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE NEWS!

I agree,,,today here in Texas we did a little better than our 7 day average(13,874 today which seems to be coming down) but the daily deaths are going up(463 today) https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/ed483ecd702b4298ab01e8b9cafc8b83
 

SophieT

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Well I just found out that I was exposed to this so called fake virus for the 3rd time in the last month. Everyone in my office has been prety seriously ill. The one who tested positive today after being sick all day yesterday and us all telling him to go home had a fever of 102 last night.

I guess I will wait and see once again how sick I get, as yesterday was the closest contact I had with any of the 4 who got sick..
I pray God keeps you and that you do not get sick, but if you do, I pray you are quickly restored to health. sick people need to go home and better yet...do not go to work
 

SophieT

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What cracks me up most, is we just read of a man who died of heart failure [NOT COVID RELATED], but he was trying to be admitted into his local Emergency Room and was REFUSED not just in his local hospital, but EVERY hospital he tried in his home State of Residence plus his family drove him to nearby States and their hospitals and he was REFUSED Admittance and eventually died looking to be Admitted SOMEWHERE!

You know why ALL OF THESE HOSPITALS REFUSED his Admittance?

EVERY ROOM AND BED IN EVERY HOSPITAL HE TRIED TO BE ADMITTED TO WAS COMPLETELY FLOOR TO FLOOR, AND WALL TO WALL, FULL OF PEOPLE SICK FROM THIS FAKE COVID VIRUS THAT DOES NOT EXIST. BUT YET, HOSPITALS, ARE REFUSING ADMITTANCE TO ANYONE ELSE BECAUSE BEDS ARE FULL OF PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM THIS FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE VIRUS!



I know personally from first hand experience, in my State, when a friend of mine had surgery and the pain meds were taking longer to wear off, they FORCED ME to take her home and follow instructions to insure her complete Recovery.
Want to know why a Woman, who can afford Top Service and Private Rooms at whim whenever entering the Hospitals around here was [FORCED] to leave before she fully Recovered?
BECAUSE TEXANS AND ARIZONIANS, WHOM THOUGHT AND BELIEVED COVID VIRUS WAS FAKE FAKE FAKE LIKE DON'T EXIST, ARE BEING DRIVEN BY AMBULANCE AND FLOWN BY CHOPPERS FROM THEIR STATE TO MINE AND FILLING UP MY STATES HOSPITAL BEDS FULL OF PEOPLE SICK FROM THIS FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE VIRUS!


Want to know what's crazy about that?
Texas and Arizona are generally 100% Right Wing and know these Reports about Covid were FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE NEWS!

I am sure that will be the most comforting reply

I am sure things are not quite that way

I was admitted to hospital TWICE myself in the height of covid...for not covid related things...there were covid patients in the hospital kept separate...I had the best of care, two operations and one out patient procedure...and some interesting conversations with 2 nurses at different times, one around 2 in the am and the other as I was being dismissed the last time

neither of them wanted anything to do with the covid shot and they are the ones that brought up the topic

oh....and I was in a private room after the first operation because I simply said I could not stay in a room with an elderly patient who was yelling around and snoring, because I needed rest. during the night, I felt God close to me and I was praising him and thanking him because the pain was gone and I had been well taken care of

you are the 'expert' here on everything covid. not

let's try to keep things in perspective

EVERY ROOM AND BED IN EVERY HOSPITAL HE TRIED TO BE ADMITTED TO WAS COMPLETELY FLOOR TO FLOOR, AND WALL TO WALL, FULL OF PEOPLE SICK FROM THIS FAKE COVID VIRUS THAT DOES NOT EXIST. BUT YET, HOSPITALS, ARE REFUSING ADMITTANCE TO ANYONE ELSE BECAUSE BEDS ARE FULL OF PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM THIS FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE VIRUS!
this is exaggeration. covid patients are kept separate and not dispersed throughout an entire hospital.. that would be like creating one of those super spreader events. I have seen what goes on and the precautions taken. calm down
 

Aidan1

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You have totally missed the point of the fakery. It is the vaccinated people who are filling up the hospitals!
Why Did CDC Stop Recording Vax Breakthrough Cases On May 1st?
https://principia-scientific.com/why-did-cdc-stop-recording-vax-breakthrough-cases-on-may-1st/
"At the time the CDC stopped tracking the incidents of vaccinated persons contracting COVID-19 and being hospitalized, many people wondered why? Obviously if you stop recording vaccinated persons who are hospitalized, it will look like only unvaccinated persons are being hospitalized by the variants in the CDC records."

Also, hospitals would have remained empty if the medical establishment had not (1) SABOTAGED, (2) ATTACKED, (3) SUPPRESSED AND (4) BANNED the HCQ combo pack and Ivermectin. They continue to attack these since they want people to die.

And do you know for a fact that the people in hospitals are actually suffering from coronavirus? Influenza has been sending people to hospitals for years, and there is very little difference between the flu and this bogeyman virus. Plus, deaths from any and all causes have been attributed to this "scary" virus. Will you ever get the truth? Very doubtful.
Thats not true. The almost all sick covid patients in my hospital are unvaccined.
The propaganda which you and others spread may be the reason why people are unvaccined and get sick. From a virus which not exist. Bravo!
 
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Yes, seems my family took the vax for all the same propaganda you quoted. Now my sister is pretty much disabled unless the Lord sees fit to heal her.

But hey guess it doesn't matter to you how many are disabled or killed by a vaccine that has not been studied enough to conclude anyone's safety... At least, you might get to have your knee surgery....????

You were free to choose to do what you wanted to do... quit trying to take other's choice away.

They keep pushing propaganda and mandates and we will soon see how that goes. As far, as I can tell it is going to end badly. So many nurses quit their jobs due to the new mandate in New York that one hospital had to completely close down their maternity ward.
Thank you.....AMEN! Those who have not placed their trust in the Lord, shall suffer the consequences of their decisions. Because this has always been a "Death jab" agenda. And this FAKE covid virus, has NEVER been isolated, so that means it does not nor has ever existed! It's all a fraud.
I know of Christians, (questionable) who have taken the jab and one in particular has nerve damage and now has "Parkinson's" which she never had before, and her health has been going down consistently and she is now on more medication than ever.
I will trust what the Lord by the Holy Spirit has led me to believe, it's all a deceptive lie, and that I am to place my Trust in Him, and not to take this death jab willingly......."IF" however they tie me down and forcebly give it to me, then the Lord will be my protector because I would not and did not take it voluntarily!
Choices we make without the Lord's guidance only ends in sorrow.
The Lord bless you!
 
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You are free to take all the vaccines and booster shots you like., you and your family are free to do so based on your own personal experiences and personal health issues. But seeking to virtue signal any and all who disagree with you is pathetic. There is absolutely NO virtue in that. So wear your mask and get your vaccines and take care of your business.

In light of your virtue signaling maybe you should also talk to people who decide to over eat and are in the hospitals because of their own poor health choices that effect other people and cause insurance rates to go up..

Maybe you should also talk to diabetics who refuse to take their insulin eating whatever they want and having their limbs amputated? Causing hospital staff to treat them even when some staff who think like you could be treating people who they "agree" with in life about your personal morally and politics instead.....????

Maybe you should also advocate with your virtue signaling to refuse healthcare to alcoholics and aids patients and others treated in our hospitals for their life style choices that cause insurance rates to go up and are a danger to hospital staff and others in society?

If you want to follow your poor logic through to the end., you will see many other people will suffer for yours and others personal virtue signaling.

There's something called the Hippocratic Oath that physicians take that outlines the duties and responsibilities of the health care are sworn to give to their patients.. I'm GRATEFUL to say (that for now) your opinions on virtue do not count. But you're not alone, the biden regime is on your side.
I agree with you, however disciples of the Lord need to go to Him concerning this fake pandemic, because it is truly based upon Fraudulent Criminal Activity. This "virus" CVD-19 has never been isolated, so it has never existed. And the Lord's word instructs us that the Pharmaceutical Corporations, which are run by Satanist's, and Eugenic scientist's is all sorcery;

Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Here is a link which is 42 pages in length published by a Pastor who has researched out the foundation upon which the Medical Corporations are founded upon, and it is all Witchcraft.

http://ernestlmartin.com/images/Pharmacy, Drugs, Sorcery, IG Farbin.pdf

So as true disciple who are we taught to believe? Is it the Lord? Or are we to bow down to the evil workings of wicked and sinful men in Governmental leadership, Health services, police forces?
God's Word informs me, that HE is my King, HE is my High Tower, HE is my protector,(as long as we are walking in His Truth and obeying it) we are not here to bow to the whims of the Devil and his walking dead servants!
Are we taught by the Lord that we are to live according to unbeliever's FEAR? We are not, unbeliever's fear dying because they are condemned already, their sins are not forgiven. So are we to placate to the FEARS of the unbeliever's I think not whatsoever! One can not support that presumption from God's Standpoint.

Now to those who truly are the Lord's children and take the vaccine and in ignorance, are we commanded to treat them unlovingly? NO, we treat them with compassion, because they will come to know they made a decision not based upon the Lord and His Word but through fear, and unbelief. They shall receive forgiveness from the Lord and be cleansed from their sin of unbelief and so shall we also forgive them. So we just love them and assist in giving them comfort where and when we can, as the Lord will's it.

Lord bless you for your stance......
In His Love....