Values for christians (1 Peter 3:1-7)
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Numbers 12:1-9
Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite. "Has the LORD spoken only through Moses?" they asked. "Hasn't he also spoken through us?" And the LORD heard this. (Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth.)
At once the Lord said to Moses, Aaron and Miriam, “Come out to the tent of meeting, all three of you.” So the three of them went out. Then the Lord came down in a pillar of cloud; he stood at the entrance to the tent and summoned Aaron and Miriam. When the two of them stepped forward, he said, “Listen to my words:“When there is a prophet among you,
I, the Lord, reveal myself to them in visions,
I speak to them in dreams.
But this is not true of my servant Moses;
he is faithful in all my house.
With him I speak face to face,
clearly and not in riddles;
he sees the form of the Lord.
Why then were you not afraid
to speak against my servant Moses?”
The anger of the Lord burned against them, and he left them.
Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite. "Has the LORD spoken only through Moses?" they asked. "Hasn't he also spoken through us?" And the LORD heard this. (Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth.)
At once the Lord said to Moses, Aaron and Miriam, “Come out to the tent of meeting, all three of you.” So the three of them went out. Then the Lord came down in a pillar of cloud; he stood at the entrance to the tent and summoned Aaron and Miriam. When the two of them stepped forward, he said, “Listen to my words:“When there is a prophet among you,
I, the Lord, reveal myself to them in visions,
I speak to them in dreams.
But this is not true of my servant Moses;
he is faithful in all my house.
With him I speak face to face,
clearly and not in riddles;
he sees the form of the Lord.
Why then were you not afraid
to speak against my servant Moses?”
The anger of the Lord burned against them, and he left them.
I have some problems with this - just who decides that I dress like a harlot? If I decide I want to wear a skirt to a party are you saying some men may judge me as looking cute and therefore in your eyes I would be sinning and ungodly?... What if I actually think I look good and dont give a dam what men think and nor care for their attention.
And what if I dont want the man to lead - what if I think I am far more capable to lead OR that I want to be a partner. I really do understand peoples opinion here - that a woman cant lead - its just I seriously can't see myself thinking that way and so I'm not sure in the opinion of christianity what that means - am I being told I am not christian? Re-expressing that I have to be sbmissive and that its men are the ones who are capable of leading and NOT women isnt going to help - I understood the views here and on other threads. Its just I cant accept it
And what if I dont want the man to lead - what if I think I am far more capable to lead OR that I want to be a partner. I really do understand peoples opinion here - that a woman cant lead - its just I seriously can't see myself thinking that way and so I'm not sure in the opinion of christianity what that means - am I being told I am not christian? Re-expressing that I have to be sbmissive and that its men are the ones who are capable of leading and NOT women isnt going to help - I understood the views here and on other threads. Its just I cant accept it
J
Actually, it does make sense. As Magenta already showed you, here's what I was referring to in relation to Moses' meekness:
"(Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)" (Numbers 12:3)
As far as the Egyptian whom Moses killed is concerned, we read:
"But when the time of the promise drew nigh, which God had sworn to Abraham, the people grew and multiplied in Egypt, Till another king arose, which knew not Joseph. The same dealt subtilly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live. In which time Moses was born, and was exceeding fair, and nourished up in his father's house three months: And when he was cast out, Pharaoh's daughter took him up, and nourished him for her own son. And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds. And when he was full forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brethren the children of Israel. And seeing one of them suffer wrong, he defended him, and avenged him that was oppressed, and smote the Egyptian: For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not. And the next day he shewed himself unto them as they strove, and would have set them at one again, saying, Sirs, ye are brethren; why do ye wrong one to another? But he that did his neighbour wrong thrust him away, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge over us? Wilt thou kill me, as thou diddest the Egyptian yesterday? Then fled Moses at this saying, and was a stranger in the land of Madian, where he begat two sons. And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush. When Moses saw it, he wondered at the sight: and as he drew near to behold it, the voice of the Lord came unto him, Saying, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Then Moses trembled, and durst not behold. Then said the Lord to him, Put off thy shoes from thy feet: for the place where thou standest is holy ground. I have seen, I have seen the affliction of my people which is in Egypt, and I have heard their groaning, and am come down to deliver them. And now come, I will send thee into Egypt. This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush." (Acts 7:17-35)
Moses' killing of the Egyptian was intended to show the children of Israel that God would deliver them by the hand of Moses, but the Israelites initially thrust Moses away and said, "Who made you a ruler and a judge over us?" I'd strongly suggest to you that the Israelites initial rejection of Moses as their deliverer foreshadowed what would transpire at Christ's first coming. IOW, in the same manner that Moses wasn't accepted by many of his own brethren at his first coming, so, too, was Christ rejected by the majority of His brethren at His first coming. Anyhow, if one who is meek cannot be a deliverer in your way of thinking, then I guess that you'd better renounce Christ because He's both meek and our Deliverer.
"(Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)" (Numbers 12:3)
As far as the Egyptian whom Moses killed is concerned, we read:
"But when the time of the promise drew nigh, which God had sworn to Abraham, the people grew and multiplied in Egypt, Till another king arose, which knew not Joseph. The same dealt subtilly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live. In which time Moses was born, and was exceeding fair, and nourished up in his father's house three months: And when he was cast out, Pharaoh's daughter took him up, and nourished him for her own son. And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds. And when he was full forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brethren the children of Israel. And seeing one of them suffer wrong, he defended him, and avenged him that was oppressed, and smote the Egyptian: For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not. And the next day he shewed himself unto them as they strove, and would have set them at one again, saying, Sirs, ye are brethren; why do ye wrong one to another? But he that did his neighbour wrong thrust him away, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge over us? Wilt thou kill me, as thou diddest the Egyptian yesterday? Then fled Moses at this saying, and was a stranger in the land of Madian, where he begat two sons. And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush. When Moses saw it, he wondered at the sight: and as he drew near to behold it, the voice of the Lord came unto him, Saying, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Then Moses trembled, and durst not behold. Then said the Lord to him, Put off thy shoes from thy feet: for the place where thou standest is holy ground. I have seen, I have seen the affliction of my people which is in Egypt, and I have heard their groaning, and am come down to deliver them. And now come, I will send thee into Egypt. This Moses whom they refused, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge? the same did God send to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the angel which appeared to him in the bush." (Acts 7:17-35)
Moses' killing of the Egyptian was intended to show the children of Israel that God would deliver them by the hand of Moses, but the Israelites initially thrust Moses away and said, "Who made you a ruler and a judge over us?" I'd strongly suggest to you that the Israelites initial rejection of Moses as their deliverer foreshadowed what would transpire at Christ's first coming. IOW, in the same manner that Moses wasn't accepted by many of his own brethren at his first coming, so, too, was Christ rejected by the majority of His brethren at His first coming. Anyhow, if one who is meek cannot be a deliverer in your way of thinking, then I guess that you'd better renounce Christ because He's both meek and our Deliverer.