Values for christians (1 Peter 3:1-7)

[MikkoAinasoja]

1. In like manner, ye wives, be in subjection to your won husbands; that, even if any obey not the word, they may without the word be gained by the behavior of their wives;

2. beholding your chaste behavior coupled with fear.

3. Whose adorning let it not be the outward adorning of braiding the hair, and of wearing jewels of gold, or of putting on apparel;

4. but let it be the hidden man of the heart, in the incorruptible apparel of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

5. For after this manner aforetime the holy women also, who hoped in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection to their own husbands:

6. as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose children ye now are, if ye do well, and are not put in fear by any terror.

7. Ye husbands, in like manner, dwell with your wives according to knowledge, giving honor unto the woman, as unto the weaker vessel, as being also joint-heirs of the grace of life; to the end that your prayers be not hindered. (1 Peter 3:1-7)

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Verse 1 should read "your OWN husbands" and not "your WON husbands"...in case anybody's wondering what that's all about.

 

[posthuman]

♥ qualities ♥

make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love.
For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.
(2 Peter 1:5-9) ​

 

[oldthennew]

the true value of one who claims Christ will manifest itself
in how they walk-the-walk and how they talk-the-talk....

 

[zoii]

1. In like manner, ye wives, be in subjection to your won husbands; that, even if any obey not the word, they may without the word be gained by the behavior of their wives;

2. beholding your chaste behavior coupled with fear.

3. Whose adorning let it not be the outward adorning of braiding the hair, and of wearing jewels of gold, or of putting on apparel;

4. but let it be the hidden man of the heart, in the incorruptible apparel of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

5. For after this manner aforetime the holy women also, who hoped in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection to their own husbands:

6. as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose children ye now are, if ye do well, and are not put in fear by any terror.

7. Ye husbands, in like manner, dwell with your wives according to knowledge, giving honor unto the woman, as unto the weaker vessel, as being also joint-heirs of the grace of life; to the end that your prayers be not hindered. (1 Peter 3:1-7)

lemme see..subjugate myself, don't wear any gold or jewels, be meek and quiet, be fearful that I keep my chastity. This sounds like an advertisement to GIRLS RUN FOR YOUR LIVES......... Of all the Christian values u could have picked...why not talk about values of kindness and love, of forgiveness, of gentleness, of keeping the peace. Why this - which really how its expressed is misogynistic in our times when women can earn more than their partner and are more than capable of looking after themselves with no input from a man. Did you know in Australia, for the last eight years in a row, females out performed males in the Year 12 tertiary admission exams. So it seems like we are smarter as well.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

lemme see..subjugate myself, don't wear any gold or jewels, be meek and quiet, be fearful that I keep my chastity. This sounds like an advertisement to GIRLS RUN FOR YOUR LIVES......... Of all the Christian values u could have picked...why not talk about values of kindness and love, of forgiveness, of gentleness, of keeping the peace. Why this - which really how its expressed is misogynistic in our times when women can earn more than their partner and are more than capable of looking after themselves with no input from a man. Did you know in Australia, for the last eight years in a row, females out performed males in the Year 12 tertiary admission exams. So it seems like we are smarter as well.

So, the Word of God is "misogynistic"? Wow.

 

[zoii]

So, the Word of God is "misogynistic"? Wow.

Jesusisthechrist its always been a struggle for me these and similar sorts of verses. How is a teenager supposed to see such verses seriously. I'm told I am immoral or improper in some way if I wear jewellary or if I have my hair a certain way. The words indicating I should be meek implies things I do not like. I am raised by my parents to be strong and confident and to express my self with kindness yet assertiveness and this is telling me my parents are wrong (which I do not like). The overall thrust of the verses selected, and put up as values for Christians, suggested to me that I have to be a meek, plainly clothed teen and if I dont then I dont hold true to the values of christianity. Well I dont believe that and yes I suggest they are out of keeping with contemporary society and ultimately is insulting to teenage women let alone women in general.

If you can explain to me why I need my hair a certain way to be a decent christian then perhaps I can change my view - otherwise yes its misognist.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Jesusisthechrist its always been a struggle for me these and similar sorts of verses. How is a teenager supposed to see such verses seriously. I'm told I am immoral or improper in some way if I wear jewellary or if I have my hair a certain way. The words indicating I should be meek implies things I do not like. I am raised by my parents to be strong and confident and to express my self with kindness yet assertiveness and this is telling me my parents are wrong (which I do not like). The overall thrust of the verses selected, and put up as values for Christians, suggested to me that I have to be a meek, plainly clothed teen and if I dont then I dont hold true to the values of christianity. Well I dont believe that and yes I suggest they are out of keeping with contemporary society and ultimately is insulting to teenage women let alone women in general.

If you can explain to me why I need my hair a certain way to be a decent christian then perhaps I can change my view - otherwise yes its misognist.

Peter's focus was on the "inward adorning" of a WIFE as opposed to the "outward adorning" because that is what truly is of great price in the sight of the Lord. When it comes to marriage, as Paul taught in Ephesians chapter 5, a husband is to lay down his life for his wife as Christ laid down His life for the church and a wife is to reverence her husband as the church reverences Christ. If that is against what your parents have taught you, then you're faced with the decision of either believing your parents or Christ and the correct choice would be Christ. Marriage was originally designed by God to mirror the union between Christ and His church. A husband who refuses to lay down his life for His wife is misrepresenting Christ and His church to the world and similarly a wife who refuses to reverence her husband is misrepresenting Christ and His church to the world. Of course, there are circumstances where abuse and the like bring in other variables as described in the Word, but, generally speaking, that is God's blueprint for marriage.

Btw, and excuse my plainness of speech, but if you don't like meekness, then you like pride. It's one or the other for all of us.

 

[zoii]

jesusisthechrist - the verses though directly state what can be worn and how the woman should look. YOU may interpret it as an inner person thingy - but its not how its said. Its the words I object to and I think in its day it DID refer to the outward appearance.

Now as for my parents - I think they do a good job so....
moving on - meek versus pride - I dont see them as one or the other but meek has terrible connoations to me. Do I have pride - oh yes defintiely I am proud of a lot of things I have done because I work hard for the things I have achieved especially at school. I have a counsellor who tells me time and time again to be proud of myself - so yes I guess I do have pride. I'm not sure but it seems like your saying I shouldnt be and its a bad thing.

As for marriage and women to submit and be meek and revere my husband. OK you got me there because I see marriage as a partnership and I honestly struggle with the idea of headship and the woman submitting .... I understand everyone's points on it - goodness knows I've read 100s of posts in a dozen different threads ... all I can say is thats where I am at - I cant accept it and I dare say then that most here will say that I therefore cant be christian..... I do realise the issue in front of me

 

[Magenta]

Btw, and excuse my plainness of speech, but if you don't like meekness, then you like pride. It's one or the other for all of us.

Meekness is to be understood as primary an attitude toward God, promising a spiritual reward and/or prosperity (as opposed to worldly), and only secondarily relates to our attitudes toward others, in that we be gentle and humble. These qualities need not preclude being confidently assertive when appropriate.

 

[Magenta]

jesusisthechrist - the verses though directly state what can be worn and how the woman should look. YOU may interpret it as an inner person thingy - but its not how its said. Its the words I object to and I think in its day it DID refer to the outward appearance.

Now as for my parents - I think they do a good job so....
moving on - meek versus pride - I dont see them as one or the other but meek has terrible connoations to me. Do I have pride - oh yes defintiely I am proud of a lot of things I have done because I work hard for the things I have achieved especially at school. I have a counsellor who tells me time and time again to be proud of myself - so yes I guess I do have pride. I'm not sure but it seems like your saying I shouldnt be and its a bad thing.

As for marriage and women to submit and be meek and revere my husband. OK you got me there because I see marriage as a partnership and I honestly struggle with the idea of headship and the woman submitting .... I understand everyone's points on it - goodness knows I've read 100s of posts in a dozen different threads ... all I can say is thats where I am at - I cant accept it and I dare say then that most here will say that I therefore cant be christian..... I do realise the issue in front of me

I hope you have seen some of the recent threads I have seen, where men and women are exhorted to submit themselves to each other, with the man laying down his life for his wife (as Christ {the groom} did for us, the Church {bride}) and the wife submitting to her husband with the trust that is due to him. Some people are really able to express what this relationship is supposed to be like -according to Scripture- quite beautifully.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Meekness is to be understood as primary an attitude toward God, promising a spiritual reward and/or prosperity (as opposed to worldly), and only secondarily relates to our attitudes toward others, in that we be gentle and humble. These qualities need not preclude being confidently assertive when appropriate.

Moses was the meekest man on the face of the earth, but he certainly was assertive when he needed to be.

 

[RickyZ]

Verse 1 should read "your OWN husbands" and not "your WON husbands"...in case anybody's wondering what that's all about.

A misprint... with yet a taste of truth in it!

 

[Dino246]

When the Word of God is taken out of context, it can appear to say something other than what it truly says. The thread title is "Values for Christians" yet the OP was six verses for wives and one for husbands; many of us are neither. These are values for Christian spouses specifically. They come across differently in other translations.

Zoii, good on you for speaking your mind. One quick correction, "subjection" and "subjugation" are not the same thing.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

A misprint... with yet a taste of truth in it!

And how are they to be "won"? Without the word and by beholding the chaste behavior of their wives coupled with fear. I doubt that that "recipe for success" is employed too much nowadays. Instead of "meek and quiet", it's often "loud and proud". Before anybody throws any stones at me, I fully recognize that many men are anything but the types of men that they should be, so I'm not defending one sex over the other. Both sexes ought to do their parts, but, more often than not, I doubt that they do...and it shows in the societal breakdown of families in relation to divorce and messed up children, to name just two.

 

[RickyZ]

Did you know in Australia, for the last eight years in a row, females out performed males in the Year 12 tertiary admission exams. So it seems like we are smarter as well.

See, now, that's part of the problem. God set things in an order and that order has been reversed. Just like everything else in this world. Relationships are a partnership, but one has to lead and the other support in order to move in the right direction. God gave that lead role to man (it was Adam before Eve). And that's not to say that a woman shouldn't take advantage of the opportunities of today. But if you're going to be in a relationship with someone, the man should take the lead.

That stuff about the hair and jewelry - harlots and whores have a certain dress and bling that's been consistent thru all generations. The point of these passages is, don't dress like the harlots and whores. Don't act like them either.

There's no reason you need to dress like an Amish woman, there's no reason you need to kneel to every man who crosses your path. Do your part, and let your man be your lead if and when you find one.

 

[RickyZ]

And how are they to be "won"? Without the word and by beholding the chaste behavior of their wives coupled with fear. I doubt that that "recipe for success" is employed too much nowadays. Instead of "meek and quiet", it's often "loud and proud". Before anybody throws any stones at me, I fully recognize that many men are anything but the types of men that they should be, so I'm not defending one sex over the other. Both sexes ought to do their parts, but, more often than not, I doubt that they do...and it shows in the societal breakdown of families in relation to divorce and messed up children, to name just two.

I'm sorry, did I deliver that one wrong or do you not appreciate a little humor. Her typo made me think of that saying, he chased her until she caught him. That's the sense of 'won' I was thinking of. lol? Ok, I won't give up my day job.

You know what scares me? A cop with no sense of humor.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

I'm sorry, did I deliver that one wrong or do you not appreciate a little humor. Her typo made me think of that saying, he chased her until she caught him. That's the sense of 'won' I was thinking of. lol? Ok, I won't give up my day job.

You know what scares me? A cop with no sense of humor.

What? I wasn't "policing" you. I thought that you were referring to what I went on to address because the text itself talks about how husbands are to be "won". Sheesh. This hasn't been my day on this forum. Well, at least nobody has delivered me over to Satan in about a week... Btw, how've you been?

 

[RickyZ]

Too busy and too tired, obviously

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Too busy and too tired, obviously

It's pretty much the same at my end. I can hear my pillow calling me as I type...