Veganism: Moral Superiority?

[idaho_miner]

This is actually a clever argument.

The best way to deal with non-Christians is usually to point out the inconsistencies in their OWN thinking.
You don't have to convince someone YOU are right, if you can point out their OWN thinking is inconsistent.

How is this a good thing? At best it's a zero-sum game which implies no benefit to either party.

I would then ask if the moral issue is a desire to take no life, are they pro abortion? I find it incongruous to be a vegan on the grounds of "take no life", yet be for abortion. If they eat no eggs, why would it be morally alright for a woman to abort her child?

Morever, eggs are not unborn chickens. It's an unfertilized embryo. This would be akin to saying every time a woman has a period she is killing what could have potentially been a child. Which is a completely asinine and ludicrous hypothesis. There is no direct correlation to sustain this as an argument, and only demonstrates how ignorant we as a society have become in regards to our food choices and basic understanding of how the world works.

 

[Tabitha4thelord]

I don't know?
but you are making me hungry for eggs

 

[idaho_miner]

@idaho_miner, welcome.

As you have gathered, we have a few vegans and vegetarians here, but the majority of us enjoy tasty meat. Personally, I prefer beef, pork, poultry and seafood, but I really enjoy an occasional plate of wild game. My favorites are alligator and venison, but it's hard to beat a plate of smoother fried squirrel or rabbit and dumplings.

A word of caution to you from a former vegetarian. Lack of protein and calcium are you worst enemy. Especially when you lead an active life. It almost cost me my life. Yes, I gave up meat and meat byproducts for several years. When I was told that I needed a calcium and a protein supplement, I found the best option was that good ole meat, milk and cheese that I had given up.

Please, if you plan to continue in your lifestyle, especially with the type of work that you do, make sure that you keep your protein and calcium levels up.

Again welcome.

Thanks for welcoming me! I have always kept an open mind and heart to all things. I truly believe this is what lead to to veganism in the first place. I personally have never heard of a single person who is eating an adequate amount of calories be deficient in protein. In fact, since going vegan, despite eating less protein than I did before, my muscles have grown leaner and stronger without any lifestyle changes beyond the abstinence of all animal products. As far as calcium goes, kale and other such dark, leafy greens are an incredibly rich source of calcium. 100g of kale has more calcium content than 100g of milk. It's a bit incongruous to me when I hear people laud the benefits of drinking milk, when countries with the highest milk consumption also have the highest rates of osteoporosis.

With 75% of the world, and 25% of the US being lactose-intolerant, it seems like bad advice to give as a 'general recommendation'.

suggested reading for why dairy is bad for health: What is Lactose Intolerance? | The Physicians Committee
suggested viewing for why dairy is bad in general: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI

 

[tourist]

I don't know?
but you are making me hungry for eggs

Will need some bacon too and hash browns. Buttered toast and OJ.

 

[tourist]

MMMMM can you smell it....sssssssssssssssss

Hopefully, that juicy steak is medium rare.

 

[Tabitha4thelord]

Will need some bacon too and hash browns. Buttered toast and OJ.

Yes Tourist, that sounds even better to me
Hahahaha!

 

[Tabitha4thelord]

Hopefully, that juicy steak is medium rare.

Oh my goodness
That looks sooooooooo Good
I think I may pass out!!!!! lol

 

[88]

MMMMM can you smell it....sssssssssssssssss

***careful this could cause Mad Cow Disease----someone is going to get mad over the cow...

 

[jaybird88]

why dont thy call them vegetarians anymore?

 

[maxwel]

Your previous post:

Originally Posted by maxwel

This is actually a clever argument.

The best way to deal with non-Christians is usually to point out the inconsistencies in their OWN thinking.
You don't have to convince someone YOU are right, if you can point out their OWN thinking is inconsistent.

How is this a good thing? At best it's a zero-sum game which implies no benefit to either party.

Since you don't understand the efficacy of pointing out the inconsistencies of a person's OWN WORDS, and showing how a person can CONTRADICT HIMSELF...
let's examine that.

I have a great idea, let's examine ONE OF YOUR OWN POSTS!

Contrary to what you're insinuating, I'm not vegan for the moral superiority. Vegan for the animals, the environment, and my own health maybe. Their is nothing self-aggrandizing about choosing compassion. It's the opposite. Jesus wasn't self-aggrandizing when he said to 'do unto others...' If you feel guilty about contributing to the needless torture and suffering of animals that has evolved in the last 100 years, that's your own conscious. I didn't have problems with 'eating animals' until we started torturing and exploiting them all along the way, which goes against God's will. That started around the 1950's and 60s and has gotten worse and worse on a global scale every year. If you aren't part of that solution, you are part of the problem. It's gotten to the point that that really is no middle ground, unless maybe you have your own little farm... but that's certainly not sustainable on a global level.

In your above post, you START by claiming "I'm not a vegan for moral superiority", and then you spend the ENTIRE POST giving a MORAL ARGUMENT to support your position!

In fact, you openly ridicule those with a different point of view as being, "part of the problem", and saying that "exploiting" animals is "against God's will"... clearly showing your own moral superiority.

Your post is a perfect example of the contradictions within a person's own words.

* You claim you aren't a vegan to show "moral superiority", and then you argue on and on about how morally superior you are.

* Well done.


Welcome to CC.

 

[idaho_miner]

why dont thy call them vegetarians anymore?

Vegetarian is a diet. Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose. While vegetarians abstain from meat, they will often consume milk and other dairy, eggs, honey etc. Veganism is all-encompassing, not just relegated to diet.

 

[Tabitha4thelord]

***careful this could cause Mad Cow Disease----someone is going to get mad over the cow...

Hahahahaha!
I don't know about that
but I for sure would fight with someone
over that cut of beef yuuuummmmmm!

 

[jaybird88]

Vegetarian is a diet. Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose. While vegetarians abstain from meat, they will often consume milk and other dairy, eggs, honey etc. Veganism is all-encompassing, not just relegated to diet.

what were the hippies back in the 60s?

 

[idaho_miner]

Since you don't understand the efficacy of pointing out the inconsistencies of a person's OWN WORDS, and showing how a person can CONTRADICT HIMSELF...
let's examine that.

I have a great idea, let's examine ONE OF YOUR OWN POSTS!





In your above post, you START by claiming "I'm not a vegan for moral superiority", and then you spend the ENTIRE POST giving a MORAL ARGUMENT to support your position!

In fact, you openly ridicule those with a different point of view as being, "part of the problem", and saying that "exploiting" animals is "against God's will"... clearly showing your own moral superiority.

Your post is a perfect example of the contradictions within a person's own words.

* You claim you aren't a vegan to show "moral superiority", and then you argue on and on about how morally superior you are.

* Well done.


Welcome to CC.

Whoa, buddy easy on the all caps and large font; my eyes work just fine.

I'm not vegan simply because I think it is morally superior. I defend animal rights because it is a moral issue. I choose veganism because it minimizes animal suffering. I don't do it to feel better about myself. Sure, I feel good about not contributing to suffering and violence, but that is merely a side effect. I would agree that it is a better way to live. Superior, even. But those are just words and not at all the heart of the issue which veganism seeks to address

 

[Magenta]

Vegetarian is a diet. Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose. While vegetarians abstain from meat, they will often consume milk and other dairy, eggs, honey etc. Veganism is all-encompassing, not just relegated to diet.

Veganism does not necessarily entail anything beyond abstaining from any and all animal products and/or by products in one's diet. The obvious is meat but extends to eggs, milk, cheese, honey, gelatin, etc. A vegan could wear a leather jacket, though. They are not eating it, after all. The associated philosophy of veganism includes the diet and also extends beyond it to oppose the use of animals for any purpose. Even meat eaters are opposed to cruelty to animals. Businesses that operate using ethical and humane means of growing and killing their livestock thrive because meat-eating people do care about such things. Maybe not all, but enough to sustain enterprises that offer such products.

 

[dcontroversal]

MMMMMMM look at these appetizers..........yummy.......

 

[dcontroversal]

MMMMMMMMMM making my mouth water.....

 

[Tabitha4thelord]

MMMMMMM look at these appetizers..........yummy.......

Oh my goodness what are you people doing to me
Im home alone right now
Im going to end up going out to a fast food joint
Im trying to stay calm!
Hahahahahaha

 

[dcontroversal]

Wilbur............

 

[Magenta]

MMMMMMMMMM making my mouth water.....

That's a pretty big bird! I do prefer poultry to beef or pork, and even seafood.