Video - Faith or Faith plus Works?

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PennEd

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Salvation has been secured by Jesus.. But only those who accept the Gift of salvation will have it.. we must believe Jesus and trust in the Atonement He secured for us and hold onto that Belief and Trust unto death.. Jesus does not force us to stay in Him.. People can and sometimes do fall away into unbelief..

Believing something and trusting something is not a Works..

They are not works of religion..
They are not good works..
They are not works of sin avoidance..
Well Scipture TELLS me there is NOTHING that can separate me from Him.

And of course, how could there be? I am IN HIM, AND HE IN ME. We are INSEPARABLE!
 

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Well Scipture TELLS me there is NOTHING that can separate me from Him.

And of course, how could there be? I am IN HIM, AND HE IN ME. We are INSEPARABLE!
Read those verses again and Note that all the things that are mentioned that cannot seperate us from the LORD are external third parties...
 

John146

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Read those verses again and Note that all the things that are mentioned that cannot seperate us from the LORD are external third parties...
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


That "any other creature" includes myself. Even I cannot separate myself from the Lord.
 

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38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


That "any other creature" includes myself. Even I cannot separate myself from the Lord.
Other creature.. He is talking about other creatures.. Not talking about Himself..
 

PennEd

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Read those verses again and Note that all the things that are mentioned that cannot seperate us from the LORD are external third parties...
Maybe you need to glance at the ALL encompassing list again

Are YOU not a created thing?

Also, you did not address that Christ is in you and you in Him.
He would have to deny Himself,
 
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I never said that those who have the Faith will have no Works.. If one believes Jesus one will believe it is good to do good Works and will do them... Not out of the desire to earn Salvation but simply because of the love of the truth of Jesus and the love of ones neighbor..

What i am saying that all the good works of the saved are a joy for God they play no part in us being saved.. Our salvation is exclusively from believing Jesus and trusting in the Atonement He secured for our salvation..

So yeah if you hear of or see someone who claims to be a believer but has No good works then they are fakes because they do not really believe Jesus..

I would agree . But would be careful seeing only God can look into the heart and see if he has begun the good work of salvation in us. (Philipians1:6)

Remember the foolish Galatians in chapter 3. God calls every person who does not believe God in their heart a fool. If we were to judge them it would be foolish of us .There is not outward dividing line by which we could say that one is no Christian, or the other one is .Its a life time work of forming Christ in these bodies of death .Our responsibility is to plant the seed and water it with the doctrines of God .He can cause growth if it is His will to do so .

Man looks on the outside. God looks and moves the person heart giving them a desire to please Him.

If he has begun the work he will finish it in the end of the matter .. We all receive the same reward as promised "eternal life". There will always be those who murmur as if God would forget the good works they have offered towards his name.

If I was to stand it would be on the side of grace . In the end he will sort it out .

Because we are yoked with Christ he make "easy believism" possible . Without him we have no faith by which we could believe.
 
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That does have a nice ring to it, I agree.

But grace is not alone because faith is also present. Faith is not alone because grace is also present. Grace and faith at work in a person's life will produce works. Salvation is a complicated matter (and yet profoundly simple) and cannot be explained by just one
word!

To the glory of God alone - No quibble with that - unless I argue that God is not alone because He is a Trinity! ;)
What I mean when I say Grace alone Is that everythng we have Is because of Grace although the vehicle so to speak to salvation Is through faith,:)that’s what It mean by Grace alone.
 
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What I mean when I say Grace alone Is that everythng we have Is because of Grace although the vehicle so to speak to salvation Is through faith,:)that’s what It mean by Grace alone.
Yes grace alone through the work of Christ's faith alone .He is the rewarder of our faith. He paid the full eternal price as a labor of His great love and mercy.