VVhat is the Significance of Jesus' Divinity?

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Armini3

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just curious is your letter (w) button on your keyboard broke :)?
BenFTW said:
Today I've been chatting vvith an individual that doesn't believe in the Trinity (in the Trinitarian sense). He believes in Father God, Jesus the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit. He doesn't believe in Jesus' divinity. He does believe in Jesus' sacrifice and that His sacrifice is sufficient for salvation, for those that vvould believe and repent of their sins.

The question is, vvhat is the significance of Jesus being divine? VVhat is the significance of Jesus being God, instead of not being God? If Jesus isn't God, and He isn't divine, does that change anything? If He is, then vvhat repercussions are there for those that don't believe He is, but proclaim belief in Him as Savior (believing He died for them and resurrected, lived a sinless life by the povver of the Holy Spirit, etc)?

I suppose the question that arises is, is belief in Jesus as God a necessity for salvation? Can one be a born-again Christian vvithout the belief that Jesus is God?
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Armini3 said:
just curious is your letter (w) button on your keyboard broke :)?
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Yes...he told us that either in this thread or another one. He's using the " double v" to do his "w's".....ingenuity eh?..:)
 
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jaybird88

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so is there any significance to believing Jesus is the Lord most High? and if so can someone explain how it would change the teachings of Jesus.
 
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FreeNChrist

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jaybird88 said:
so is there any significance to believing Jesus is the Lord most High? and if so can someone explain how it would change the teachings of Jesus.
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Yes, there is great benefit in believing in the Jesus who is the Lord most High. For one thing you will no longer limit the "teachings of Jesus" to merely the red letters in your Bible.
 
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jaybird88

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FreeNChrist said:
Yes, there is great benefit in believing in the Jesus who is the Lord most High. For one thing you will no longer limit the "teachings of Jesus" to merely the red letters in your Bible.
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With due respect that explains nothing.
Don't murder. How does this change if believed to be taught by Jesus the Son or Jesus the Lord most High?
 
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FreeNChrist

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jaybird88 said:
With due respect that explains nothing.
Don't murder. How does this change if believed to be taught by Jesus the Son or Jesus the Lord most High?
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It's not about change it's about fulfilling. Jesus is the dynamic of His own demands.....because He is God.
 
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jaybird88 said:
With due respect that explains nothing.
Don't murder. How does this change if believed to be taught by Jesus the Son or Jesus the Lord most High?
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It goes from subjectivity to objectivity for one. If Jesus is the Lawgiver, then what He says is objective and isn't moral relativism.
 
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jaybird88

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FreeNChrist said:
It's not about change it's about fulfilling. Jesus is the dynamic of His own demands.....because He is God.
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If there is a significance in believing one or the other then there would have to be a difference, a change. So what is the difference? Give me an example in scripture
 
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FreeNChrist

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jaybird88 said:
If there is a significance in believing one or the other then there would have to be a difference, a change. So what is the difference? Give me an example in scripture
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The significance is that in denying the Jesus who is God you are denying Jesus....because Jesus is God. You aren't saved by His teachings, you are saved by Him....and He is God.
 
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jaybird88

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FreeNChrist said:
The significance is that in denying the Jesus who is God you are denying Jesus....because Jesus is God. You aren't saved by His teachings, you are saved by Him....and He is God.
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Wow and where does Jesus say this? I have never heard of this teaching.
 
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jaybird88

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FreeNChrist said:
The significance is that in denying the Jesus who is God you are denying Jesus....because Jesus is God. You aren't saved by His teachings, you are saved by Him....and He is God.
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A scripture where Jesus teaches what u r saying in this quote
 
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FreeNChrist

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jaybird88 said:
A scripture where Jesus teaches what u r saying in this quote
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“You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to Me! Yet you refuse to come to Me to receive life.” John 5:39-40
 
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jaybird88

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FreeNChrist said:
“You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to Me! Yet you refuse to come to Me to receive life.” John 5:39-40
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I don't see Jesus confirming what u said at all. I don't think there are is a scripture where Jesus teaches not believing He is the All High means you reject Jesus and His teachings.
 
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FreeNChrist

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jaybird88 said:
I don't see Jesus confirming what u said at all. I don't think there are is a scripture where Jesus teaches not believing He is the All High means you reject Jesus and His teachings.
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That scripture supports what I said about being saved by Christ Himself, not the teachings of Christ. It also supports Jesus being God, as God alone gives life. What you are calling "teachings" all exist to point you to Christ, so that He can save you.
 
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FreeNChrist said:
That scripture supports what I said about being saved by Christ Himself, not the teachings of Christ. It also supports Jesus being God, as God alone gives life. What you are calling "teachings" all exist to point you to Christ, so that He can save you.
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Amen..we are definitely saved by His life that is in us.

Romans 5:10-11 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

[SUP]11 [/SUP] And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

Romans 8:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
 
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jaybird88

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FreeNChrist said:
That scripture supports what I said about being saved by Christ Himself, not the teachings of Christ. It also supports Jesus being God, as God alone gives life. What you are calling "teachings" all exist to point you to Christ, so that He can save you.
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the scripture supports what you said about " being saved by Christ Himself" i think there is much more to it (slavation) as well. and it may support Jesus being the All High.
i dont see it supporting "Jesus teaches not believing He is the All High means you reject Jesus and His teachings."

one can still accept, believe and practice what Jesus taught and believe He was the Son sent from the Father but not accept He is the All High but rather the Son sent from the All High. there were many that did this before the church became roman. and many still do.
 
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RobbyEarl

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Jesus is God
 
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