VVhat is the Significance of Jesus' Divinity?

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FreeNChrist

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the scripture supports what you said about " being saved by Christ Himself" i think there is much more to it (slavation) as well. and it may support Jesus being the All High.
i dont see it supporting "Jesus teaches not believing He is the All High means you reject Jesus and His teachings."

one can still accept, believe and practice what Jesus taught and believe He was the Son sent from the Father but not accept He is the All High but rather the Son sent from the All High. there were many that did this before the church became roman. and many still do.
You are certainly free to believe anything you like, but the Jesus Christ who Christians believe in is God, and He alone has the life you need.
 
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jaybird88

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You are certainly free to believe anything you like, but the Jesus Christ who Christians believe in is God, and He alone has the life you need.
i do my best to believe what Jesus taught and not let ideas of man influence my decisions. what i believe should not influence how others believe and it certainly does not mean im right and your wrong.
 
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FreeNChrist

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i do my best to believe what Jesus taught and not let ideas of man influence my decisions. what i believe should not influence how others believe and it certainly does not mean im right and your wrong.
"Doing your best" is a program for failure. The wages of sin is death. Your dead and you need life, life that Christ alone has.
 
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jaybird88

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"Doing your best" is a program for failure. The wages of sin is death. Your dead and you need life, life that Christ alone has.
no "doing the best" is one trying to stay humble not being afraid to admit they have much more to learn rather than act and say everyone is wrong unless they believe and interpret the scriptures the exact same way i do.

Christ alone
i believe Christ above the group accepted man made doctrines
 
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i believe Christ above the group accepted man made doctrines
Hi Jaybird88

It is certainly not what Christ believed. Man-made doctrines that comes, as oral tradition of men (the mouth of men) were and remain Christ’s nemesis.

Never do the things of God become the things of men. Scriptures infallibly informs us they are an offence .

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Colossians 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

Christian faith is in respect to the faith or work of Christ. He alone is the anointing Holy Spirit of God.

When men have the faith of Christ in respect to their own selves through a doctrine of men they should expect to hear the warnings that goes along with their misguided faith .

Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Mat 23:32

There are two kinds of wisdom's .One in respect to the faith by which any man can believe God as a doctrine of God falls like rain inspired from heaven .

Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. "My doctrine" shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:Deu 32:1

And the other kind of wisdom the doctrines of men that rise from the earth as oral traditions of men are earthly inspired of the father of lies the god of this world.

Jam 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

Every person stands on the same fallow ground . You must decide this day whose wisdom you will serve .Up or down?

The doctrines of God or those of the generation of vipers? (No limbo in between)

Seeking the approval of men or the approval of God ? Whose authority will you humble yourself after?
 
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FreeNChrist

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no "doing the best" is one trying to stay humble not being afraid to admit they have much more to learn rather than act and say everyone is wrong unless they believe and interpret the scriptures the exact same way i do.

i believe Christ above the group accepted man made doctrines
A dead person "doing his best" is still a dead person.
 
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jaybird88

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A dead person "doing his best" is still a dead person.
its better than being an arrogant and haughty person that is so self conscious about their own beliefs they have to be sure everyone around them thinks and believes the exact same as they do because they can not think for themself.
 
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FreeNChrist

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its better than being an arrogant and haughty person that is so self conscious about their own beliefs they have to be sure everyone around them thinks and believes the exact same as they do because they can not think for themself.
This isn't a competition. I have already said that you are certainly free to believe anything you like. This is a Christian forum and I am explaining to you what Christians believe.
 
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1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

The Bible says in many places that Jesus is God.In the Old Testament,God Himself said,that He would come and save mankind,and when the Son comes,He will have no beginning,and the Son shall be called the mighty God,and from the fruit of David's body,the LORD shall sit upon his throne.

In the New Testament,the Word was God,who is Jesus,God was manifest in flesh,and Christ is the fulness of the Godhead bodily,and Jesus said before Abraham was,I am,and God was in Christ,reconciling the world unto Himself,and Jesus said He is the almighty.

So I believe we have to acknowledge the deity of Jesus,for to deny it,is to deny God,for He is God walking among humans in a bodily manifestation,and sits on the throne in heaven,in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

But of course we are only accountable for what we know,and if someone preaches Christ,and His shed blood,like in a foreign country,and they believe it,but His deity is not preached to them,and they do not come to understand His deity,no fault of their own,and they die,they are saved,for God is a just,and fair God,and will not condemn them for something out of their control.

But when they hear about His deity,and read about His deity,then they are accountable for it,if they deny His deity.
 
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jaybird88

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This isn't a competition. I have already said that you are certainly free to believe anything you like. This is a Christian forum and I am explaining to you what Christians believe.
i never said it was. i dont care for you attempting to lecture me on something you failed to explain nor back up with scripture. now your telling me im dead because i am doing my best to learn. one can either do their best, worst or be perfect. i would never belittle someone for doing their best as i would know that would only damage that person and make me look foolish for misleading them.
 
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FreeNChrist

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i never said it was. i dont care for you attempting to lecture me on something you failed to explain nor back up with scripture. now your telling me im dead because i am doing my best to learn. one can either do their best, worst or be perfect. i would never belittle someone for doing their best as i would know that would only damage that person and make me look foolish for misleading them.
Nobody is lecturing you. I told you the wages of sin is death, you need the scripture for that? Here ya go....

"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6:23

Note that the solution to death is life, not doing your best. Also note that the life that is the solution to death is IN Christ Jesus.
 
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jaybird88

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Nobody is lecturing you. I told you the wages of sin is death, you need the scripture for that? Here ya go....

"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 6:23

Note that the solution to death is life, not doing your best. Also note that the life that is the solution to death is IN Christ Jesus.
doing my best was a reference in how i study what Jesus taught. to me Jesus and what He taught is greater than salvation and only salvation, its a way of life. its not about putting my faith/life in Jesus and ending my walk there and going no further.
 
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FreeNChrist

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doing my best was a reference in how i study what Jesus taught. to me Jesus and what He taught is greater than salvation and only salvation, its a way of life. its not about putting my faith/life in Jesus and ending my walk there and going no further.
I understand. Good luck with that.
 
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Today I've been chatting vvith an individual that doesn't believe in the Trinity (in the Trinitarian sense). He believes in Father God, Jesus the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit. He doesn't believe in Jesus' divinity. He does believe in Jesus' sacrifice and that His sacrifice is sufficient for salvation, for those that vvould believe and repent of their sins.

The question is, vvhat is the significance of Jesus being divine? VVhat is the significance of Jesus being God, instead of not being God? If Jesus isn't God, and He isn't divine, does that change anything? If He is, then vvhat repercussions are there for those that don't believe He is, but proclaim belief in Him as Savior (believing He died for them and resurrected, lived a sinless life by the povver of the Holy Spirit, etc)?

I suppose the question that arises is, is belief in Jesus as God a necessity for salvation? Can one be a born-again Christian vvithout the belief that Jesus is God?

Yes...you must believe that Jesus is The Triune God as revealed in scripture...and you must worship Him as The Triune God in order to be Saved.

True Christians are Trinitarian.


 
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RobbyEarl

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Yes...you must believe that Jesus is The Triune God as revealed in scripture...and you must worship Him as The Triune God in order to be Saved.

True Christians are Trinitarian.


Wow I thought you was a muslim
 
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Chuckt

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Wow I thought you was a muslim
There are phobias with what people don't understand.
When you witness enough to people, the phobia should go away as understanding comes.
 
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jaybird88

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Yes...you must believe that Jesus is The Triune God as revealed in scripture...and you must worship Him as The Triune God in order to be Saved.
True Christians are Trinitarian.
exactly and if the friend asks why Jesus or His Father never taught it just let him know its irreverent because man made doctrine overrules any of that.
 
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Chuckt

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exactly and if the friend asks why Jesus or His Father never taught it just let him know its irreverent because man made doctrine overrules any of that.
The Godhead is taught in the scriptures where Jesus is God, the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible is God-breathed so it is taught by God and it overrules any man made doctrine. The trinity is a doctrine that is discovered by reading God's word so it overrules man made thoughts against God.
 
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jaybird88

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The Godhead is taught in the scriptures where Jesus is God, the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible is God-breathed so it is taught by God and it overrules any man made doctrine. The trinity is a doctrine that is discovered by reading God's word so it overrules man made thoughts against God.
where can i find a scripture that teaches this doctrine requirement for salvation?
 
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Chuckt

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where can i find a scripture that teaches this doctrine requirement for salvation?
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins."

The word "he" is in italics (John 8:24) which means it isn't in the original. Unless you believe "I am" (Ego eimi), you shall die in your sins. So what is Jesus saying?

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Jesus is saying He is the "I AM" of Exodus 3:14 that only applies to God.


This is the basic teaching. The teaching for the Trinity is also in scripture and who God is.

Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Acts 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Acts 5:3-4 basically says the Holy Spirit is God.

Ephesians calls God our Father:

Ephesians 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

John 1:1 Says the Word is God.

Colossians 2:9 says in him (Jesus) dwells the fulness of the Godhead bodily:

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

There are a lot more verses but the Bible calls the Father God, the Son (Jesus) God, and the Holy Spirit God.

The Biblical term is the Godhead and the common term for this is the Trinity.

So when Hebrews says that those who come to him must believe that He is, who is He? Whom do you have to believe that He is?

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.