Wake up church the time has come.

oyster67 · Dec 11, 2020

1 Peter

1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1:3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

2:7 Unto you therefore which believe [he is] precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, [even to them] which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
2:10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

I believe this holy nation is all who believe and call Him precious. All of the born again believers. We can all be of the number who have obtained mercy now. PTL! Doesn't matter where we started anymore, to all it is said "ye must be born again".

KJV1611 · Dec 11, 2020

CS1 said:

You changed the context Paul quoted King David then asked the question in verse 11

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

They had already fallen Roman ruled them when Paul said this. Yet you again take one verse to make what you want to see.

Is verse 11 the end of the chapter? no.

Let me post the rest so you don't continue to cherry-pick:

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

You have failed to see God's gifts are without repentance and HIS promises to Israel are to be kept as they are for us. It speaks to God's faithfulness when men are not. Sin will produce its reward But God raises up the nation and bring another down as raise up it again. Nothing Paul has said in Roman 11 states the nation of Israel is done and gone you are in error.

Where did Paul quote David?

oyster67 · Dec 11, 2020

CS1 said:

We all need to be born again.

KJV1611 · Dec 11, 2020

oyster67 said:

1 Peter

1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1:3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

2:7 Unto you therefore which believe [he is] precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, [even to them] which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
2:10 Which in time past [were] not a people, but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

I believe this holy nation is all who believe and call Him precious. All of the born again believers. We can all be of the number who have obtained mercy now. PTL! Doesn't matter where we started anymore, to all it is said "ye must be born again".

Amen, always has been and always will be.

Blik · Dec 11, 2020

KJV1611 said:

You have taken the facts of God creating Israel as a nation to show and keep His words and distorted them. They are God's chosen people, chosen at a time the nations of the world had forgotten God, chosen to show God to these nations who had forgotten him.

God will never forsake them, God will always thank them for what they did for us, the gentiles.

You also are not understanding who Israel is, even though you quoted a passage telling us. Exo_19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

Israel in God's eyes are those who keep his covenant. Gal. 3:29 confirms this. "And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

KJV1611 · Dec 11, 2020

Blik said:

You have taken the facts of God creating Israel as a nation to show and keep His words and distorted them. They are God's chosen people, chosen at a time the nations of the world had forgotten God, chosen to show God to these nations who had forgotten him.

God will never forsake them, God will always thank them for what they did for us, the gentiles.

You also are not understanding who Israel is, even though you quoted a passage telling us. Exo_19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

Israel in God's eyes are those who keep his covenant. Gal. 3:29 confirms this. "And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

I agree somewhat. Those who keep Gods covenants are spiritual Israel, the Israel of God.

oyster67 · Dec 11, 2020

Blik said:

Many of them will fuel the fires of hell forever. "you must be born again".

TheDivineWatermark · Dec 11, 2020

KJV1611 said:

Genesis uses this word ("seed") 58x (see at links below, two pages' worth):

[page 1] https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=seed&version=KJV
[page 2] https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=KJV&quicksearch=seed&startnumber=26

or here [nearly 1 page (tho I think there's a typo and should read "Genesis - 58x" not 48x--I hand-counted, so to speak

)]: https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=seed&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1

... at THOSE sites ^ (Bible Gateway and BlueLetterBible), it doesn't tell you outright (or, it is not readily apparent) just which ones are which (SINGULAR or PLURAL), although the CONTEXT (in many cases) can tell you this just by examining that (surrounding)... but for the instances where it is not entirely clear, one can make a study of it using BibleHub instead (where it will tell you whether the Hebrew word is either singular or plural in any given text):

[EXAMPLE - Gen21:13 "And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed [SINGULAR]." https://biblehub.com/text/genesis/21-13.htm NOTE: this [though indeed SINGULAR] is not the "seed [SINGULAR]" that Paul was referring to in Gal3

... but there are likely those out there that misconstrue it to mean this... I am merely providing the LINK to BibleHub so you can continue the "SEARCH" though all "58x 'SEED'" as used in Genesis... and, right away, you can set aside the ones having to do with "plants, plantings" (the kind that go in the dirt to be harvested), for we are centering the STUDY on what "seed" (whether SINGULAR or PLURAL) has to do relating to PEOPLE, instead]

It is entirely up to you whether you want to embark on such a study (which I am strongly suggesting and encouraging you to do), but I am not going to do the work FOR you

(I've placed some tools here for your benefit, in this regard, however... It remains to be seen whether you DO the study so you can SEE FOR YOURSELF just WHERE the "seed [SINGULAR]" and "seed [PLURAL]" are used in Genesis--which I believe will greatly help you, on this Subject [under discussion], and any one else who cares to look into it

)

I don't think you would benefit much at all by my just telling you the answer, here.

I'm pointing this out, though, so you can be AWARE of this issue, and then go on to study it YOURSELF to see whether these things be so, and HOW SO (i.e. which is which and what is what.

)

KJV1611 · Dec 11, 2020

TheDivineWatermark said:

Genesis uses this word ("seed") 58x (see at links below, two pages' worth):

[page 1] https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=seed&version=KJV
[page 2] https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=KJV&quicksearch=seed&startnumber=26

or here [nearly 1 page (tho I think there's a typo and should read "Genesis - 58x" not 48x--I hand-counted, so to speak

)]: https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=seed&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1

... at THOSE sites ^ (Bible Gateway and BlueLetterBible), it doesn't tell you outright (or, it is not readily apparent) just which ones are which (SINGULAR or PLURAL), although the CONTEXT (in many cases) can tell you this just by examining that (surrounding)... but for the instances where it is not entirely clear, one can make a study of it using BibleHub instead (where it will tell you whether the Hebrew word is either singular or plural in any given text):

[EXAMPLE - Gen21:13 "And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed [SINGULAR]." https://biblehub.com/text/genesis/21-13.htm NOTE: this [though indeed SINGULAR] is not the "seed [SINGULAR]" that Paul was referring to in Gal3

... but there are likely those out there that misconstrue it to mean this... I am merely providing the LINK to BibleHub so you can continue the "SEARCH" though all "58x 'SEED'" as used in Genesis... and, right away, you can set aside the ones having to do with "plants, plantings" (the kind that go in the dirt to be harvested), for we are centering the STUDY on what "seed" (whether SINGULAR or PLURAL) has to do relating to PEOPLE, instead]

It is entirely up to you whether you want to embark on such a study (which I am strongly suggesting and encouraging you to do), but I am not going to do the work FOR you

(I've placed some tools here for your benefit, in this regard, however... It remains to be seen whether you DO the study so you can SEE FOR YOURSELF just WHERE the "seed [SINGULAR]" and "seed [PLURAL]" are used in Genesis--which I believe will greatly help you, on this Subject [under discussion], and any one else who cares to look into it

)

I don't think you would benefit much at all by my just telling you the answer, here.

I'm pointing this out, though, so you can be AWARE of this issue, and then go on to study it YOURSELF to see whether these things be so, and HOW SO (i.e. which is which and what is what.

)

Thanks I’ll check them out.

CS1 · Dec 11, 2020

KJV1611 said:

just before you cut it off and post that lol the above verse. Let's stop you from having an issue jews and I am not wanting to have a debate with you. I answered your questions you then move on to something out of context from cherry-picked verses. You are in error

pottersclay · Dec 11, 2020

So I ask the question why would God choose the church over Israel.
Please answer in your own words......why.

oyster67 · Dec 11, 2020

pottersclay said:

They rejected the Cornerstone as a Nation, but individual Jews are still offered Salvation through the precious blood of Jesus to this very day.

KJV1611 · Dec 11, 2020

CS1 said:

I agree this discussion is going nowhere in a hurry. I do find it odd that every time I pick a verse that is straight forward and easy to understand you blow it off as if it has nothing to do with the topic.

KJV1611 · Dec 11, 2020

pottersclay said:

What is your definition of the church? My definition is anyone who calls on the name of the Lord from Adam to present, Jew and Gentile.

CS1 · Dec 11, 2020

pottersclay said:

I don't know who you are asking but they are two different things

The church is collectively all who have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ Death, burial, and resurrection. Jews too.

the Nation Israel is a witness to the living God that HE is the one true God that all other nations have seen. God has chosen to reveal Himself through this nation. The word and the prophets all came from there. What has God shown us through Israel?

His calling to follow him
His blessing and covenant
His Judgment and mercy
His turning over to and restoring of
His word spoken to and that which is to come
salvation, healing, and deliverance
His ability to protect

God can bless a nation and keep a nation, yet can not be saved eternally. I can tell you this world will be destroyed before the nation of Isreal disappears again. America will fall before Israel does.

CS1 · Dec 11, 2020

KJV1611 said:

no you just use it out of context because you form a bias to support your unbiblical position.

KJV1611 · Dec 11, 2020

CS1 said:

Thats a ridiculous statement. The context of this verse is what it is. People who obey Gods voice and keep his covenant are Gods chosen people. If that’s not the context please tell me what the real context is.

Exo 19:5 (KJV) Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

KJV1611 · Dec 11, 2020

For those of you how aren’t aware. The church didn’t start at the resurrection or at Pentecost. The church came out of her closet at that time.

The church has existed ever since God made the covenant of grace with Abraham. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were Christians. These Christians and all other Christians are Gods chosen people.

CS1 · Dec 11, 2020

KJV1611 said:

lol first you would need to look in the word of God where the word Church was said and what does that word mean

the first time is used is found in Matthews 16:18 the Person who said it was the Lord Jesus telling Peter HIS statement given to him BY THE Holy Spirit is what the church ekklesia will be built on the word church means an assembly of Christians gathered for worship in a religious meeting or in the natural sense: the assembly of the Israelites The church was born on the day of Pentecost as Jesus said it would be.

ekklēsia

KJV1611 · Dec 11, 2020

CS1 said:

Believe what you want but this is what the Bible says.

Gal 3:8 (KJV) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Act 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Wake up church the time has come.

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