Was Adam Made Holy

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Already done. :) Genesis 3:6
Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Adam was with Eve when he ate. Where does Scripture say Adam was with Eve when satan spoke his lies to her?



You stated:

Yet, Adam was right there with Eve when the serpent persuaded her to eat.


I asked you to provide proof that Adam was with Eve when satan deceived her.


I do not know of any verse in Scripture which states that Adam was with Eve when she and satan had their "discussion".
 
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I agree, humanity is saved through Christ, not childbearing women. That verse in Genesis 3:15 does not affirm or elaborate on the verse in 1st Timothy chapter 2:15
I believe 1 Tim 2:15 relates back to Gen 3:15. There is only One ever born of women Who can save.

That was Paul's point. He brought out the fact that Eve still shared in the transgression, even though she was deceived and Adam willfully transgressed.

vs 13 of 1 Tim 2 brings us back to the time of Adam and Eve

vs 14 of 1 Tim 2 brings us back to when satan deceived Eve. vs 14 further tells us that Adam was not deceived ... only Eve was deceived.

vs 15 of 1 Tim 2 brings us back to God's pronouncement to satan that the woman would bring forth a Seed Who would bruise satan's head.


No other child born of a woman can save anyone. Only the One ... the Lord Jesus Christ (Yeshua HaMashiach).



 
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yes completely different than anything as of today, a glorified earth and heaven with glorified beings.
Yes ... and reading John's description, it appears truly glorious ...


Revelation 21:

11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

vss 19-20 speak of the foundations garnished with all manner of precious stones.

And best of all, And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. :cool:



 

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How do we know this? Can you provide chapter / verse which states this?





According to 1 Tim 2:14 Adam was not deceived. And Adam was not deceived

I do not know that Adam "heard" directly from satan. I believe satan approached Eve when she was alone. No Adam there to persuade her to not eat. Divide and conquer.





We don't know that Adam was there when satan approached Eve. If you can show me a verse which specifically states that Adam was with Eve when satan spoke to her, I will fully agree with your statement that he was there with her, that he heard satan and Eve's discussion.

Although if that is the case, why would Adam remain silent? No "C'mon Eve, let's get out of here. Forget that serpent. Don't do it".





2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty ...


Again, if you have chapter and verse which states Adam was with Eve when satan spoke to her, please provide it. Thank you.
Adam means 'man' check out the Hebrew. So a man was in the garden with Eve which is Hebrew for mother of all.
 

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Yes ... and reading John's description, it appears truly glorious ...


Revelation 21:

11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.

vss 19-20 speak of the foundations garnished with all manner of precious stones.

And best of all, And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. :cool:
The glory of God is Jesus who is the light of the world with his bride, you and me, who are spoken of as 'she.'
 

UnoiAmarah

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If I recall correctly the scriptures refer unto rightly dividing the word of God, yet some confuse that with the NT scripture of 2 Tim 2:15 which refers unto the word of truth. However, how can one divide the word of truth if it is indivisible which all the various translations of 2 Tim 2:15 demonstrate:
  • 2 Timothy 2:15, NIV: "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth."
  • 2 Timothy 2:15, ESV: "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth."
  • 2 Timothy 2:15, KJV: "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
  • 2 Timothy 2:15, NASB: "Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth."
  • 2 Timothy 2:15, NLT: "Work hard so you can present yourself to God and receive his approval. Be a good worker, one who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly explains the word of truth."
  • 2 Timothy 2:15, CSB: "Be diligent to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who doesn't need to be ashamed, correctly teaching the word of truth."
The rightly dividing the LORD's word can be read in the passage of Isaiah 28, or at least IMO.

But back to the topic, so in the day the LORD made the male and female as one flesh, and called their name Adam.

Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. Gen 5:2

In Matthew 19:4-6 it continues that for this cause shall the male and female leave father and mother and cleave unto their help mate, and they too shall be one flesh. For they are no more two (plural) but one (singular). So therefore let 'them' that God made in the beginning be not put asunder. Which is interesting since it written that when men began to multiply upon the face of the earth that daughters were born unto them, but I digress.

So how could the female be deceived if the male wasn't deceived since they were no longer two but one flesh, not to mention that the male didn't call his helpmate's name Eve until after eating from the fig tree. Seems like if they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil then they would have to had sewn leaves of diver sorts together, you know the good leaves along with the evil leaves. But in either case that mean the male must have been there with the female at time since they covered themselves.

But then again is it written in Genesis 1:12 that man could eat of every of fruit tree being the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was its fruit? Or did it say in Gen. 1:29 that man could eat of ever tree, in the which the fruit is a tree yielding seed, known as nuts? FYI nuts are an excellent source of protein which is necessary for healthy diet lacking meat product.

Some claim that fruits are just a gateway chemical to processed sugars which end up in diabetes. :censored:

But I thought all scripture was, or maybe is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness the man of God (male or female) may be perfect before the LORD, being educated unto all good works.
 

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Both Eve and Adam were deceived by the serpent because as we read in verse 6, Eve ate of the forbidden fruit and then gave some to Adam who was with her.

Adam was not deceived
(1 Timothy 2:14)

Yet, Adam was right there with Eve when the serpent persuaded her to eat. They were both deceived, and Adam was actually complicit in disobedience having heard the same persuasive tongue of the serpent as did Eve.
And unto Adam he said, because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree
(Genesis 3:17)
Adam didn't listen to the Serpent. he listened to Woman.
Adam wasn't deceived.

 

posthuman

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She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
she taketh of its fruit and eateth, and giveth also to her husband with her, and he doth eat
(Genesis 3:6 YLT)
it doesn't say "to her husband, who was with her"
it says, "
also to her husband, with her"

it means he joined her in eating; not that he was standing right beside her the whole time stupidly doing and saying nothing.
Adam was no idiot. he was not deceived.
God did not say 'because you stood by and watched her eat without stopping her'
Adam did not say 'the serpent deceived me'
Adam did not say 'the Woman deceived me'

where does Woman get the idea that she was not to even touch the tree? did God say that or did Adam add that when he told her?
if Adam added this, why?
what does it tell us about Adam if he adds this to her instruction?
what does it tell us about how he viewed his relationship with her?
what does it tell us about how he viewed her character? does he consider her 'the weaker vessel' ? does he consider himself responsible for her?
 

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The account of the Garden of Eden is an Old Testament parable that faithfully represents life through the ages.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents our own free-will and decision-making.

Adam represents humankind.

Eve represents the Bride of Christ who came from the wound made in the side of the second Adam, Jesus Christ. She is not always correct in her thinking, like five of the Ten Virgins.

The talking snake represents the thoughts that come into our mind. They appear rational, so we act accordingly but in point of fact they are subtlety misleading.

The fig leaves are the lies and excuses we girdle around ourselves as a cover up. The innocent do not need to cover up.

The Tree of Life is Jesus Christ.
 

posthuman

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Adam means 'man' check out the Hebrew. So a man was in the garden with Eve which is Hebrew for mother of all.
Eve is Hebrew for 'life' or 'living' - not for 'mother of all'

Technically Adam was not in the garden with Eve. Her name was 'Woman' at that time; he changed it when he heard God's judgment, and God made coverings for them.
 

Dino246

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The account of the Garden of Eden is an Old Testament parable that faithfully represents life through the ages.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents our own free-will and decision-making.

Adam represents humankind.

Eve represents the Bride of Christ who came from the wound made in the side of the second Adam, Jesus Christ. She is not always correct in her thinking, like five of the Ten Virgins.
This line of thinking undermines the credibility of the entire Bible, and of the Christian faith. Jesus spoke of Adam and Eve in Matthew 19:4-6 "“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” In your view, Jesus must have been deluded, and if He was deluded in this matter, He was likely deluded in other matters as well.
 

Dino246

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she taketh of its fruit and eateth, and giveth also to her husband with her, and he doth eat
(Genesis 3:6 YLT)
it doesn't say "to her husband, who was with her"
it says, "
also to her husband, with her"

it means he joined her in eating; not that he was standing right beside her the whole time stupidly doing and saying nothing.
The NIV says, "her husband, who was with her", as do many more recent translations. :)
 

John146

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Eve is Hebrew for 'life' or 'living' - not for 'mother of all'

Technically Adam was not in the garden with Eve. Her name was 'Woman' at that time; he changed it when he heard God's judgment, and God made coverings for them.
Adam was with her in the garden, but not standing right next to her.
 

posthuman

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God alone dwells in immortality. A&E were not created immortal. Created to BE immortal perhaps, but they had to eat of the Tree of Life to attain that status, and we know they did not :)
We know they didn't after they had sin, but we don't know they didn't before they had sin.
We don't know how long they lived before their fall; we don't even know if the passage of time was the same before sin entered the world and the ground was cursed. But we know they were never commanded not to eat of the tree of life, only 'prevented' when they were cast out of the garden.
 

Dino246

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Adam was with her in the garden, but not standing right next to her.
On which verse do you base this? Or is it just baseless speculation to support a preconceived conclusion?
 

posthuman

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The NIV says, "her husband, who was with her", as do many more recent translations. :)
That's why I quoted 'Youngs literal' - it is closer to the actual Hebrew, with few additional words added that are coming from interpretation.
The Hebrew does not say he was there with her when she ate. That's an interpretation, but it's one that conflicts with other things about this event that we know.
 

John146

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On which verse do you base this? Or is it just baseless speculation to support a preconceived conclusion?
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

The garden was a big place. Adam was with her in the garden. If he were standing next to her, he would have saved Eve from the serpent right away because he was not deceived.
 

posthuman

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On which verse do you base this? Or is it just baseless speculation to support a preconceived conclusion?
The fact he wasn't deceived, that he listened to her, not to the Serpent, that he says she gave it to him, not the Serpent, the fact that the indications of the text about his character don't support the implications that narrative would make, the fact that he is not mentioned in the conversation, the fact that Satan speaks directly to her and not to him, tho God speaks directly to him even when they are together, and the record in scripture overwhelmingly shows that when a man and a woman are together the man is the one addressed, etc etc etc

And what supports the narrative that he's sitting there in the background stupidly in complicit, thoughtless silence the whole time?
One ambiguous word that many modern translations introduce interpretive additions around?
I think I have a much stronger case than you, bro