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6pm might make a diff.
Have you not read this...
Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
Jesus Christ KNEW how long a day was, He created the day...
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
Jesus Christ KNEW how long a day was, He created the day...
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
No, He says that the evening and the morning (dark and light) are a day. He specifically tells us when His Feast Days begin...
Lev 23:32 It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath."
Lev 23:32 It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath."
If Jesus was not crucified on a Wednesday, He was a false prophet and should have been killed, as the O.T. says that if things do not happen EXACTLY as a prophet says they will, he is a false prophet and should be stoned to death. So here's the prophesy, Just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
According to scripture the women showed up at the tomb before dawn, while it was still dark. So, Friday means He would have been in the tomb:
1.) One Night: Friday night
2.) One Night and One Day: Add in Saturday day
3.) One Day, One Night, and, at most, "Part" of an additional night: Again, the "while it was still dark part.
Thursday ends up being:
Two Days, Two nights, and, at most part of an additional night.
If it was Thursday or Friday the result is easy: Jesus was a false prophet, deserving of death for his own sins, the N.T. is not reliable and trustworthy as it claims a false prophet was God.
So pick one: The N.T. is all a lie and untrustworthy for anything other than to line the bottom of a birdcage and Jesus was a false prophet deserving of death, and you are still in your sins, or Jesus died on a Wednesday day and was buried at dusk on Wednesday. Interestingly, if Jesus was the Son of God, and not a false prophet, then He rose at dusk on Saturday, which, by the way was early on the first day of the week ... for a Jew.
Hint: Look up the verse that talks about that day being a "High Day" and read the O.T. passages about the "high days" surrounding the feast, and what days of the week that "High Sabbath" could occur?
Low Sabbaths always occur on Friday, by the way, but that wasn't the Sabbath Jesus died on.
According to scripture the women showed up at the tomb before dawn, while it was still dark. So, Friday means He would have been in the tomb:
1.) One Night: Friday night
2.) One Night and One Day: Add in Saturday day
3.) One Day, One Night, and, at most, "Part" of an additional night: Again, the "while it was still dark part.
Thursday ends up being:
Two Days, Two nights, and, at most part of an additional night.
If it was Thursday or Friday the result is easy: Jesus was a false prophet, deserving of death for his own sins, the N.T. is not reliable and trustworthy as it claims a false prophet was God.
So pick one: The N.T. is all a lie and untrustworthy for anything other than to line the bottom of a birdcage and Jesus was a false prophet deserving of death, and you are still in your sins, or Jesus died on a Wednesday day and was buried at dusk on Wednesday. Interestingly, if Jesus was the Son of God, and not a false prophet, then He rose at dusk on Saturday, which, by the way was early on the first day of the week ... for a Jew.
Hint: Look up the verse that talks about that day being a "High Day" and read the O.T. passages about the "high days" surrounding the feast, and what days of the week that "High Sabbath" could occur?
Low Sabbaths always occur on Friday, by the way, but that wasn't the Sabbath Jesus died on.
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the wednesday crucifixion theory is literally -impossible-...it is not merely a difference of opinion...it is an absolute factual impossibility on the same level as saying that two plus two equals five...it is entirely indefensible and there is simply no excuse for teaching it...God will hold those who spread this false teaching accountable...
the only scenario that actually -works- is the longstanding understanding that jesus died friday afternoon and rose sunday morning...
the wednesday cruci-fiction is primarily being pushed by those who have fallen into the 'dark side' of the hebrew roots movement...the cultish end of that movement that likes to reject the majority of christianity past and present as 'pagan'...and claims to represent the only true remnant church... ironically their embrace of this wednesday scenario indicates that they don't really know much about the hebrew roots of christianity and they are doing many of their cherished 'hebrew' things -incorrectly-
the only scenario that actually -works- is the longstanding understanding that jesus died friday afternoon and rose sunday morning...
the wednesday cruci-fiction is primarily being pushed by those who have fallen into the 'dark side' of the hebrew roots movement...the cultish end of that movement that likes to reject the majority of christianity past and present as 'pagan'...and claims to represent the only true remnant church... ironically their embrace of this wednesday scenario indicates that they don't really know much about the hebrew roots of christianity and they are doing many of their cherished 'hebrew' things -incorrectly-
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Is dawn in the passage morning or evening ?
[h=1]Matthew 28 King James Version (KJV)[/h]28 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
[h=1]Matthew 28 King James Version (KJV)[/h]28 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
Yeah, everybody knows that you can count three days and three nights form Friday sunset to before dawn on Sunday morning.
Ever here of the Quartodeciman controversy and Polycarp? from Wikipedia...
Of the disputes about the date when the Christian Pascha should be celebrated, disputes known as Paschal/Easter controversies, the Quartodeciman is the first recorded.
In the mid–second century, the practice in the Roman province of Asia was for the pre-Paschal fast to end and the feast to be held on the 14th day (the full moon) of the Jewish lunar month of Nisan, the date on which the Passover sacrifice had been offered when the Second Temple stood, and "the day when the people put away the leaven".[5] Those who observed this practice were called Quartodecimani, Latin for "fourteenthers", because of holding their celebration on the fourteenth day of Nisan.
The practice had been followed by Polycarp, bishop of Smyrna (c. 69 – c. 155), one of the seven churches of Asia, and a disciple of John the Apostle, and by Melito of Sardis (d. c. 180).[5] Irenaeus says that Polycarp visited Rome when Anicetus was its bishop (c. 153–68), and among the topics discussed was this divergence of custom. Irenaeus noted:
Neither could Anicetus persuade Polycarp not to observe what he had always observed with John the disciple of our Lord, and the other apostles with whom he had associated; neither could Polycarp persuade Anicetus to observe it, as he said that he ought to follow the customs of the presbyters that had preceded him.[6]
So, Polycarp kept the Passover and Anicetus kept the customs of the presbyters. Guess who won out?
Ever here of the Quartodeciman controversy and Polycarp? from Wikipedia...
Of the disputes about the date when the Christian Pascha should be celebrated, disputes known as Paschal/Easter controversies, the Quartodeciman is the first recorded.
In the mid–second century, the practice in the Roman province of Asia was for the pre-Paschal fast to end and the feast to be held on the 14th day (the full moon) of the Jewish lunar month of Nisan, the date on which the Passover sacrifice had been offered when the Second Temple stood, and "the day when the people put away the leaven".[5] Those who observed this practice were called Quartodecimani, Latin for "fourteenthers", because of holding their celebration on the fourteenth day of Nisan.
The practice had been followed by Polycarp, bishop of Smyrna (c. 69 – c. 155), one of the seven churches of Asia, and a disciple of John the Apostle, and by Melito of Sardis (d. c. 180).[5] Irenaeus says that Polycarp visited Rome when Anicetus was its bishop (c. 153–68), and among the topics discussed was this divergence of custom. Irenaeus noted:
Neither could Anicetus persuade Polycarp not to observe what he had always observed with John the disciple of our Lord, and the other apostles with whom he had associated; neither could Polycarp persuade Anicetus to observe it, as he said that he ought to follow the customs of the presbyters that had preceded him.[6]
So, Polycarp kept the Passover and Anicetus kept the customs of the presbyters. Guess who won out?
Please show us how to count this. Take the time for us who have fallen to the "dark side" to enlighten us how to count this scripture...
Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Show me the three days and three nights please.
Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Show me the three days and three nights please.
Don't know what a high day is huh?
Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
C'mon, don't hand me that, you know good and well what a high day is...
A high day is a Sabbath attached to the Feasts & Festivals of YHWH.
You will note that the first & last days of the 7 day Feasts in Lev 23
are Sabbaths & a high day is a Sabbath that is not a weekly Sabbath.
The one being refered to in John 19:31 is the first day of Unleavened
Bread. This significant because there were 2 Sabbaths that week &
the day that Messiah Y'shua was crucified was before the high day,
which was the evening of Passover.
From a person on Yahooanswers.com.
Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
C'mon, don't hand me that, you know good and well what a high day is...
A high day is a Sabbath attached to the Feasts & Festivals of YHWH.
You will note that the first & last days of the 7 day Feasts in Lev 23
are Sabbaths & a high day is a Sabbath that is not a weekly Sabbath.
The one being refered to in John 19:31 is the first day of Unleavened
Bread. This significant because there were 2 Sabbaths that week &
the day that Messiah Y'shua was crucified was before the high day,
which was the evening of Passover.
From a person on Yahooanswers.com.
I am not understand your point. The Sabbath was ALWAYS the seventh day of the week. The Passover was ALWAYS preceded by a Sabbath day followed by seven days of feasting and concluded with another Sabbath. Any Seventh day which preceded the Passover was regarded as a High Sabbath. Jesus was buried on the evening preceding the Sabbath, "Therefore because of the Jewish day of preparation, since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there."
They prepared the spices before the Sabbath. Luke 23:54-56, "It was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.Now the women who had come with Him out of Galilee followed, and saw the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment."
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