Was Jesus crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday?

[JesusIsAll]

Please don't misunderstand, I don't know, know things like whether a partial day qualifies as a day, but it seems that, to be compared to Jonah, it would best indicate Wednesday, to be three days and three nights in the tomb.

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jonah 1:17 Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

Certainly, Friday has always been problematic, to have our Lord Jesus risen by Sunday morning, better subscribed to if you're math challenged.

 

[oldhermit]

You are not counting oldhermit.

The text does not say He rose on the first day of the week.

You are not being honest, John. "Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week..." This is the inspired record of Mark. Was Mark wrong?

I explained the idiom of the "heart of the earth" and how "earth" is very often used in the NT and you have nothing to say to this? All you can say is "count three days?" You are so consumed by this one phrase that you are blinded to everything else even to the point of denying statements made in scripture. I don't know what else to say to you John.

 

[john832]

John, sometimes I think you are completely impossible to reason with.

When it comes to reasoning around what Christ plainly said, yes I am as adamant as flint.

The text tells us under no uncertain terms that Jesus rose on the first day of the week.

No, the text does not ell us in no uncertain terms it was the first day of the week. What it says in no uncertain terms is that on the first day of the week, before dawn, the tomb was empty.

I think what you are having trouble with is the phrase Jesus used in Matt. 12. When Jesus uses the term "Heart of the earth" he is not talking about the tomb.

What do you suppose He is referring to? A space shuttle?

He does not use the term for grave or tomb. He uses the word γῆς which is used very often in scripture to refer to the human collective. This is how it is used in Rev13:3 for example. Jesus is talking about the time of his suffering which began Thursday with his arrest in the garden and ended when he rose on Sunday. In other words, Jesus was three days and three nights in the hands of men. "Heart of the earth" is an idiom.

Now you are reasoning around the scripture. To say that He was referring to a time of suffering that was to last three days and three nights, when it only lasted from around the time He was taken from Gethsemane until His death on the stake (less than 24 hours) is simply a distortion of the scripture.

 

[john832]

You are not being honest, John. "Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week..." This is the inspired record of Mark. Was Mark wrong?

I explained the idiom of the "heart of the earth" and how "earth" is very often used in the NT and you have nothing to say to this? All you can say is "count three days?" You are so consumed by this one phrase that you are blinded to everything else even to the point of denying statements made in scripture. I don't know what else to say to you John.

You are reading something into a verse that is just not there...

All the scriptures put together show a Wednesday crucifixion, a burial at/about sunset, three days and three nights in the tomb and a late Sabbath afternoon resurrection.

Mar 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Jesus was already risen and early the first day of the week. You keep repeating one scripture and hang your hat on it. A scripture that is missing from the earliest texts at that.

 

[oldhermit]

When it comes to reasoning around what Christ plainly said, yes I am as adamant as flint.
No, the text does not ell us in no uncertain terms it was the first day of the week. What it says in no uncertain terms is that on the first day of the week, before dawn, the tomb was empty.

John, did you even read Mark's account. I quoted it exactly as it is written and still you say it does not say this. ???????????

Now you are reasoning around the scripture. To say that He was referring to a time of suffering that was to last three days and three nights, when it only lasted from around the time He was taken from Gethsemane until His death on the stake (less than 24 hours) is simply a distortion of the scripture.

I give up John. Jesus never said he would be three days and three nights in the tomb. You are so consumed by this one phrase that you are even denying scripture itself.

 

[oldhermit]

Jesus was already risen and early the first day of the week. You keep repeating one scripture and hang your hat on it. A scripture that is missing from the earliest texts at that.

John, are you sure you want to go there with me in this?

 

[JesusIsAll]

But something which also seems important, just in my opinion, I've never had a problem with remembering our Lord's suffering and death on Good Friday. I've never had a problem with celebrating His resurrection on Easter Sunday, nor remembering His birth December 25, Christmas day. Friday and December 25, at least, are pretty much in the bag not accurate, but is it better to worship the Lord with others on these special days the Catholics came up with, or better to bicker over days and create divisions, think ourselves having some pretense of holiness, over our reading of a calendar? I've actually been told I'm doing something Satanic to celebrate Easter or Christmas, and have always found every person this ilk, or preachy of jots and tittles, very cultish or Judaizing, as well as mean and dark.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Matthew 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

I even like Good Friday, Easter and Christmas. If I don't fight the epic battle against these days, if I don't care what day the Lord Jesus died on and find it more important to remember His work, every day, also because I can't really know some of these days, any more than even His birth or death year with absolute certainty, what's the point?

Philippians 2:14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings.

Hebrews 6:1-3 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit.

 

[john832]

John, are you sure you want to go there with me in this?

Frankly, I don't want to go anywhere with you. LOL.

 

[oldhermit]

Frankly, I don't want to go anywhere with you. LOL.

LOL. O.k!!!!!! I think it is safe to say that we are never going to agree on this so perhaps we should leave it here.

 

[john832]

LOL. O.k!!!!!! I think it is safe to say that we are never going to agree on this so perhaps we should leave it here.

That is absolutely correct, I am intractable about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. It was done according the Feast Days as they foreshadowed and not according to pagan holidays such as Ishtar.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Ever here of the Quartodeciman controversy and Polycarp? from Wikipedia...

Of the disputes about the date when the Christian Pascha should be celebrated, disputes known as Paschal/Easter controversies, the Quartodeciman is the first recorded.

In the mid–second century, the practice in the Roman province of Asia was for the pre-Paschal fast to end and the feast to be held on the 14th day (the full moon) of the Jewish lunar month of Nisan, the date on which the Passover sacrifice had been offered when the Second Temple stood, and "the day when the people put away the leaven".[5] Those who observed this practice were called Quartodecimani, Latin for "fourteenthers", because of holding their celebration on the fourteenth day of Nisan.

The practice had been followed by Polycarp, bishop of Smyrna (c. 69 – c. 155), one of the seven churches of Asia, and a disciple of John the Apostle, and by Melito of Sardis (d. c. 180).[5] Irenaeus says that Polycarp visited Rome when Anicetus was its bishop (c. 153–68), and among the topics discussed was this divergence of custom. Irenaeus noted:


Neither could Anicetus persuade Polycarp not to observe what he had always observed with John the disciple of our Lord, and the other apostles with whom he had associated; neither could Polycarp persuade Anicetus to observe it, as he said that he ought to follow the customs of the presbyters that had preceded him.[6]

So, Polycarp kept the Passover and Anicetus kept the customs of the presbyters. Guess who won out?

this controversy was about whether to commemorate the resurrection near the day of the hebrew month when it happened...or to celebrate the resurrection on the day of the week when it happened...

it had nothing to do with the false teaching of a wednesday crucifixion...or any dispute over the meaning of 'three days and three nights'...

i have no doubt that you knew this already...but your intention is to deceive...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Please show us how to count this. Take the time for us who have fallen to the "dark side" to enlighten us how to count this scripture...


Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.


Show me the three days and three nights please.

here is how the bible counts days...

friday...one...
saturday...two...
sunday...three...

for scriptural proof that this is the biblical method of counting days see acts 10...

of course you know about this already...but your intent is to deceive...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Apparently not. You do know that the First Day of Unleavened Bread is a Sabbath, don't you? And you do know that it is not the weekly Sabbath, don't you? You do know that the First Day of Unleavened Bread fell on Thursday of 31AD, don't you? and you do know that it is a high day, don't you? And you do know that the First Day of Unleavened Bread is the high day of John 19:31, don't you? And you do know that it did not fall on the weekly Sabbath that year, don't you? You do know there were two Sabbaths that week, don't you?

The First Day of Unleavened Bread fell on Thursday that week and of course the weekly Sabbath fell on Saturday.

Now how about if you show me how to count three days and three nights from Friday at sunset to Sunday morning before sunrise.

jesus died on the first day of unleavened bread...the passover is the first day of the feast...and jesus died during the day directly following the passover seder...

given this fact...the sabbath that followed jesus' death clearly could -not- have been the sabbath associated with the first day of the feast of unleavened bread...it could only have been the weekly saturday sabbath...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Whoa, when did they get the spices and prepare them? The day before the Sabbath? If Christ was buried at/about sunset on Friday, when did these ladies go get the spices and prepare them? When they got to the tomb before daylight on Sunday morning, He was already gone.

they would have had until sunset friday evening to buy spices...they also would have been able to buy spices immediately after sunset saturday evening...

not that you didn't already know that...but your intent here is to deceive...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Yes, after He had risen, He then appeared to Mary Magdalene. He did not appear to her before He had risen. It is not referring to Him rising on the first day of the week and you are not harmonizing all the scriptures on the subject.

I am still waiting to see you count three days and three nights from Friday at/about sunset to Sunday morning before sunrise.

this verse in question says that jesus rose early on the first day of the week...and then appeared to mary magdalene...it does -not- merely say that jesus rose...and then on the first day of the week appeared to mary magdalene...

this is very clear from the greek...where the verse beings with 'and rising early on the first day of the week'...

all of this has already been pointed out to you before...so you are already aware that your argument is incorrect...but your only intent is to deceive...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

PASSOVER IS 1ST MONTH ON 14TH AND AT THE END OF THE 14TH DAY AT SUNSET BEGINS THE 15TH DAY OF THE 1ST MONTH (JEWS CALL THE MONTH NISAN AND IT BEGINS FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD). THE 15TH OF THE 1ST MONTH IS A HIGH SABBATH. 7 DAYS LATER (THE 21ST DAY) IS ANOTHER HIGH SABBATH (MEANING NO WORK TO BE DONE)

wrong...passover was the fifteenth of nisan...and it coincided with the first day of the feast of unleavened bread...

it began at the evening of the fourteenth of nisan...the evening of a day was considered to be the beginning of the next day...the evening of the fourteenth of nisan was the beginning of the fifteenth of nisan...

so the day immediately following the night of the seder was the fifteenth of nisan...the first day of the feast of unleavened bread...and a special feast sabbath...

you do -not- get to insert a second feast sabbath on the following day...the second day of the feast of unleavened bread...the only way there can be a sabbath on that day is if it is the weekly saturday sabbath...

so jesus died the day before saturday...that is friday...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

You are reading something into a verse that is just not there...

All the scriptures put together show a Wednesday crucifixion, a burial at/about sunset, three days and three nights in the tomb and a late Sabbath afternoon resurrection.

Mar 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Jesus was already risen and early the first day of the week. You keep repeating one scripture and hang your hat on it. A scripture that is missing from the earliest texts at that.

there are absolutely no scriptures that support the wicked false teaching of a wednesday crucifixion and a saturday resurrection...in fact there are scriptures that prove without a doubt that this scenario is not only untrue but absolutely -impossible-

on the other hand a whole assortment of scriptures prove that the longstanding christian teaching of a friday crucifixion and a sunday resurrection is the -only- possible scenario...

but now we see that you just flat out -reject- scripture that doesn't agree with your cult teaching...it wouldn't even matter if the bible had a verse that said 'and this was friday through sunday for those of you who are logically challenged'...you would simply -reject it-

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

That is absolutely correct, I am intractable about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. It was done according the Feast Days as they foreshadowed and not according to pagan holidays such as Ishtar.

actually you are intractable about your desire to serve and worship an idol...a -false messiah- who died on a day when the true christ did not die and rose on a day when the true christ did not rise...instead of worshipping the true christ that the bible testifies of...

 

[WomanLovesTX]

wrong...passover was the fifteenth of nisan...and it coincided with the first day of the feast of unleavened bread...

it began at the evening of the fourteenth of nisan...the evening of a day was considered to be the beginning of the next day...the evening of the fourteenth of nisan was the beginning of the fifteenth of nisan...

so the day immediately following the night of the seder was the fifteenth of nisan...the first day of the feast of unleavened bread...and a special feast sabbath...

you do -not- get to insert a second feast sabbath on the following day...the second day of the feast of unleavened bread...the only way there can be a sabbath on that day is if it is the weekly saturday sabbath...

so jesus died the day before saturday...that is friday...

Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.

Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread are two separate events.

Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD:

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.

Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread are two separate events.

Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD:

wrong again...

luke 22:1..."Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is called the Passover, was approaching."

matthew 26:17..."Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, 'Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?'"
mark 14:12..."On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb was being sacrificed, His disciples *said to Him, 'Where do You want us to go and prepare for You to eat the Passover?'"
luke 22:7..."Then came the first day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed."

and 'the fourteenth day of the first month at evening' was the beginning of the fifteenth day of the month...this method of numbering days is established from leviticus...

leviticus 23:27-32..."On exactly the tenth day of this seventh month is the day of atonement; it shall be a holy convocation for you, and you shall humble your souls and present an offering by fire to the Lord. You shall not do any work on this same day, for it is a day of atonement, to make atonement on your behalf before the Lord your God. If there is any person who will not humble himself on this same day, he shall be cut off from his people. As for any person who does any work on this same day, that person I will destroy from among his people. You shall do no work at all. It is to be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwelling places. It is to be a sabbath of complete rest to you, and you shall humble your souls; on the ninth of the month at evening, from evening until evening you shall keep your sabbath."


the hilarious irony about this whole exchange is that it exposes the fact that a supposedly 'torah observant' person is observing the passover and feast of unleavened bread -the wrong way-!