Was Judas Iscariot saved?

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maxwel

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Based on the circumstances seems to be an odd choice of word that Jesus choose to use. Why not just call him Satan as he did with Peter.

For the record though, I have not offered an opinion on why Jesus chose that word "Friend" but rather only pointing out what seemed to me to be a very odd choice of word in consideration of the situation.

I appreciate your analysis.

We don't always agree, but I consider you a good man.

That being said, let's say, for example, that you were to betray me in some terrible way.
If I knew you were betraying me, and in the very midst of the betrayal, I looked you in the eye, and called you my friend... that word would be your judgement. That word would point out the extreme level of your betrayal.

That is what we have in Matthew 26:50

It's as simple, and as brutal, as that.



God Bless brother.

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Then what did Jesus mean in the following verses? Matt 16:23 and Mark 8:33
i’m only speaking as my personal opinion, i believe the context of these statements as compared to the references to Judas have to be taken into account.

the 11 disciples that came out of galilee with jesus we’re considered His brethren, all descended from jacob and in contrast to the parable of the wheat and tares, these 11 being the wheat, the children of the promise

this in contrast to Judas being of the children of esau, an edomite of the race of cain, as dwelling among the wheat, the other 11 couldn’t have imagined him betraying jesus yet in the end he was a tare, a child of the wicked one. the gospel never made sense to him and these are the same today. they do not hear jesus’ voice because they are not his sheep.

i think jesus using the language he did with peter was a stern rebuke to show of what spirit his words be of…

whereas with judas, he exposed him but not for anything that he did or said, he exposed what he was,

“Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots?”
jeremiah 13:23

“And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be anyremaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.”
obidiah 1:18
 

PaulThomson

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Judas Iscariot maybe the most despised person in human history. Did the New Testament writers have such a disdain for him that they always listed him last when naming the disciples? In many of the early century writings about Judas, shows a very high level of contempt for him. Church leaders and biblical scholars have labeled him some sort of misfit, who was a living definition of disaster. Judas' brand is "betrayal," and will always be thought as such for the rest of human history. Was he saved?
There is no doubt God had a righteous reason for all that he did with reference to Judas, but it isn't quite revealed to us in scripture. In John 17:12, Judas Iscariot is referred to as the "son of perdition," which means, man doomed to destruction. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 also mentions the "son of perdition" but in context its talking about the antichrist. The fact that Judas is mentioned by Jesus as the "son of perdition" and that the antichrist is mentioned in the same manner, speaks volumes to the heart of Judas.

John 6:70 Jesus said, "Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?" Our Lord Jesus called Judas a devil. The word is not "demon" but "devil"(diabolos). Apart from Satan, Judas is the only one to have this term applied to him in scripture.

Acts 2:23 "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain." Judas was part of this "counsel" and "wicked hands." Its obvious before Jesus was captured that Judas' heart was wicked, but what about afterwards? Did Judas repent?

Matthew 27:3-5 "Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood, and they said, what is that to us? See thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself."

Did Judas repent and become a believer? The word "repented" in the verse above, means remorseful, from the Greek word "metameleoma", which means "to regret". So this is different from repentance to salvation. Judas may have regretted what he did to Jesus, but he did not truly repent. Judas betrays innocent blood for money, feel guilty, returns the money, and commits suicide. These could be actions of a guilty conscience, not a forgiven and regenerate one.

Judas followed the same Jesus as the other disciples. For three years he saw the same miracles, heard the same teachings, and was a part of the same ministries as all the others. Yet he did not become what the other disciples became. Judas looks as though he became the very opposite. He became Satan's tool. Judas is called the "son of perdition," which implies that of a person that is in an unredeemable state. Forgiveness may not have been planned for Judas and that Jesus knew his heart beforehand. Judas said, "I have sinned. I have betrayed the innocent blood." Many claim by this statement that Judas repented and believed, therefore he was saved. But did he really know Jesus? Could Judas be one of those that comes to Jesus at judgement and Jesus says, "I never knew you: depart from me." In Acts 1:25 when Judas fell, "might go to his own place." Where is his own place? Is it separated from the saved?

Whatever Judas' character was at the beginning of Jesus' ministry gradually became a wicked man who betrayed Jesus. Greed, ambition, and worldliness most likely crept into his heart, and became blinded of Jesus' Deity. Judas could be the greatest example of lost opportunity.
The word translated betrayed is paradidOmi. It simply means to hand over. Judas could have handed Jesus over to fulfil prophecy without it being betrayal. However, he chose to spite Jesus, rather than simply assist him in fulfilling the prophecy. His bad. But not an irrevocably decreed "betrayal".
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homwardbound

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God's Love:
If the premise here is that God is only sweet and gentle, and never harsh... that is anti-biblical.

A.) The Bible clearly states, over and over, that God also decrees judgement and wrath.
B.) Christ himself spoke more of hell than heaven.
C.) The nature of God's perfect love is that it intrinsically REQUIRES JUSTICE, which often results in the sincerest forms of judgement and wrath.


Evil & Good:
This thread is inching closer and closer to the very edge of absurdity.
It's surprising to see people defending Judas Iscariot, while denigrating Peter.
Isaiah 5:20 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil;"
Proverbs 24:24 "He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:"



Judgement:
A.) If we claim we cannot judge a wicked man's actions... then we don't understand the scriptures regarding judgement and discernment.
B.) We've had many threads on this topic, and many people here have explained these things over and over.
C.) We are commanded to discern things, and we quite literally "judge" and "discern" right and wrong, all day long, continually, in each of our lives, and in all the things we see around us. To claim otherwise is either disingenuous or lacking introspection.




Sometimes nice people, because of poor teaching, or lack of carefulness, make very strange claims.
Defending one of the most wicked men who've ever lived... that is not only strange, it is dangerous.
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Do you not understand God's love, no one has the Love of 1Cor 13:4-7, 13 but God. God has chosen through Son to go to that cross and die once for us all to be reconciled (2 Cor 5:17-20),
(Hebrews 10:10)
To give new life to us the believers in God, that Son is alive, risen from the dead to live through us, the people, only the ones willing Get this. The worker bees, do not receive this gift. Too busy working for it, under Law not in Grace, to appreciate and then do as led to do, which is love to all, not a few as flesh nature only chooses to do, love those that love them back.

Love overcame evil and love always overcomes evil

Romans 12:21

King James Version

21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
1 John 4:4
Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1 John 5:4
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1 John 5:5
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
 

Pilgrimshope

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Yes, as to what we have as written and interpreted by man, is what we have.
However, my hope is for all, includes Judas, thanks for then exhortation as if I sm to judge it
Whatever one looses on earth, will be loosed in Heaven. I will stand in trust to God over it all. As many, I see will not be in, that people, think will be.
God and the person know this truth between God and them, not people and them
  1. Romans 8:14
    For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  2. Romans 8:15
    For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  3. Romans 8:16
    The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

This is known to each person,n as true or not
Romans 2:1
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
Romans 2:3
And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Romans 2:16
In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Romans 3:4
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

I see to not Judge anyone, that is my Father's Job, thanks, hoping the best for everyone
Yea Jesus is annointed judge and the gospel are his judgements were supposed to hear and believe
 

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We don't always agree, but I consider you a good man.

That being said, let's say, for example, that you were to betray me in some terrible way.
If I knew you were betraying me, and in the very midst of the betrayal, I looked you in the eye, and called you my friend... that word would be your judgement. That word would point out the extreme level of your betrayal.

That is what we have in Matthew 26:50

It's as simple, and as brutal, as that.



God Bless brother.

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What you have stated could very well be. I agree with the part about "your judgement". Thank you for your insights on this matter. I find myself concurring with your estimation. Food for thought anyway. Yeah, it was brutal for sure. You are a good man too and God bless you as well, brother.
 

montana123

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Judas Iscariot was sorry, and repented of the act of betraying Jesus.

But he hung himself so he is not saved.

Just because Judas was sorry for what he did because he believed Jesus was innocent does not mean he believed the truth which he is called a devil, and the son of perdition which is attributed to the antichrist for Judas betrayed Christ, and the antichrist is against Christ in the fundamental sense but believes they are the same belief system for he acknowledges Christ but he is above Christ.

Judas would not be saved if he is called the son of perdition for it would never be in him to accept the truth in that case.

The spirit Judas had will show up in the antichrist.

Jesus said that He lost none of the disciples but Judas, and he went to his own place.

How did Judas fall if Jesus called him to follow Him, and Judas only followed for he thought he could benefit from it other than the truth.

Jesus called Judas friend because he taught love your enemies, and feed and clothe them, and pray for them, and bless them, and the Christian way is to love people no matter how they treat you.
 

homwardbound

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Yea Jesus is annointed judge and the gospel are his judgements were supposed to hear and believe
From God Father himself
Jesus is the Ambassador, and makes Ambassadors, the believers, God Father given

2 Corinthians 5:20
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
Ephesians 6:20
For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

If, I am condemning, then I shall be condemned
If I am judging, then I shall be judged
I see to just trust God, in God's mercy, love and truth of Son. that is risen from death, for us to live new in his stead, representing The freedom in love and mercy to all. The same as when he went to that cross, willingly
Being dead to the flesh, learning this truth daily. Thanks
 

Pilgrimshope

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From God Father himself
Jesus is the Ambassador, and makes Ambassadors, the believers, God Father given

2 Corinthians 5:20
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
Ephesians 6:20
For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

If, I am condemning, then I shall be condemned
If I am judging, then I shall be judged
I see to just trust God, in God's mercy, love and truth of Son. that is risen from death, for us to live new in his stead, representing The freedom in love and mercy to all. The same as when he went to that cross, willingly
Being dead to the flesh, learning this truth daily. Thanks
Right what I’m saying is Jesus is the judge of all people

“He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42‬ ‭NIV‬‬

and his word jesus words in the gospel when he walked among us are his judgements

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭


He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48

The way to say this in a short summary

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭

Or a person could say it like this

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

another person might in tbier account share other perspectives of the same things

“and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things. And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-49‬ ‭

“But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:8-9‬ ‭

“And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judæa, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:3-6, 14, 16-18, 22-24, 32-33‬ ‭

“And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:20‬ ‭

My point is notice how the power is always associated with the word of Christ and his authority ? The doctrine in the gospel I mean

“And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judæa and Samaria, except the apostles. ….Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word. …Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.

….But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. ….Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: ………..And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.

Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:1, 4-6, 12, 14, 25, 35-38‬ ‭

My only point is that you see this happening and the power and annoy ting of God remains with this everywhere it’s accepted

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:13‬ ‭

Often we work so hard to explain things that we forget to learn what is just there in front of us and embrace its simplicity

“And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, And every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: For all shall know me, From the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, And their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭

Its just about individuals accepting the gospel he sent forth that’s already written for us and becoming part of the family of God , then he begins to teach us as we abide and grow if we dont reject his word

“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we just tell people the truth about Jesus the Lord the. They believe and inquire more and seek as one would if they believe the gospel message they’ll come themselves to know God through him the lord our savior and God who became flesh
 

homwardbound

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Right what I’m saying is Jesus is the judge of all people

“He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42‬ ‭NIV‬‬

and his word jesus words in the gospel when he walked among us are his judgements

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭


He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48

The way to say this in a short summary

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭

Or a person could say it like this

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

another person might in tbier account share other perspectives of the same things

“and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things. And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:46-49‬ ‭

“But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:8-9‬ ‭

“And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judæa, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:3-6, 14, 16-18, 22-24, 32-33‬ ‭

“And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:20‬ ‭

My point is notice how the power is always associated with the word of Christ and his authority ? The doctrine in the gospel I mean

“And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judæa and Samaria, except the apostles. ….Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word. …Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.

….But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. ….Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: ………..And they, when they had testified and preached the word of the Lord, returned to Jerusalem, and preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.

Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:1, 4-6, 12, 14, 25, 35-38‬ ‭

My only point is that you see this happening and the power and annoy ting of God remains with this everywhere it’s accepted

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:13‬ ‭

Often we work so hard to explain things that we forget to learn what is just there in front of us and embrace its simplicity

“And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, And every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: For all shall know me, From the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, And their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20‬ ‭

Its just about individuals accepting the gospel he sent forth that’s already written for us and becoming part of the family of God , then he begins to teach us as we abide and grow if we dont reject his word

“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If we just tell people the truth about Jesus the Lord the. They believe and inquire more and seek as one would if they believe the gospel message they’ll come themselves to know God through him the lord our savior and God who became flesh
we can lead, for me to remember to not force anyone or manipulate anyone to believe God
I see God does that in his love and mercy of Son to everyone
Love of God, overcame evil and still to this day does that. there is no law against God's Love as in 1 Cor 13:4-7