Was Paul a Torah observant Jew?

[JaumeJ]

Since Yeshua Jesus came and fulfilled the law, who in this age is now authorized to teach people to sin because He died on the cross for us all?
After all sin IS breaking the law, is it not?

Now, since many here have not, they should go and learn from Jesus Yeshua what He teaches about the law for He is not only the author of grace and mercy but also of the law..

Those who yet wish to make this an heated debate are only demonstrating just how little they have learned from the Master.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I must insist that not once did Paul speak/teach against the law or fail to observe it.

If Paul didn't teach against the Laws of Moses, then I have a bogus Bible with a bunch of extra writings, principles and concepts that other Bibles do not have. Very . . . confusing.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I disagree with you that because we are saved by grace, not law, we are not asked to keep the law. Keeping the law never results in our salvation, but a saved person who has been freed of sin through grace is asked not to go back to that sin.

The fact is that we, being made of flesh, sin even though we do not want to sin as Paul tells us, but that fact has no bearing at all on that we are asked to repent of all sin.

Matt. 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

1 John 2:3 By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments.

Hello Blik,

Well ... you ae not disagreeing with me, but with the word of God.

As we continue from faith to faith, we are being transformed into the image of Christ by the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit. It is not done by keeping the Law.

His commandments are to believe in the One whom He sent, Jesus Christ.

Believers in Christ are not under the old covenant of the Law. I know of what I speak. Read all of the following and then make your conclusion. Anyone who is trying to keep the law as requirement for salvation is failing. Am I saying that believers have free reign to sin? No! Whatever we fail at as believers, we confess and He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us of all unrighteousness. One of the reasons that Jesus appeared as a human being was to meet the righteous requirements of the Law on behalf of all believers. Attempting to keep the law as a means of righteousness is what caused and is causing Israel to stumble. Read and comprehend

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Acts 13:38-39
Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the Law of Moses.

Acts 15:5-11
Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the Law of Moses.”

The apostles and elders met to consider this question. After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith, Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

Romans 3:19-24
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

Romans 3:27-28
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

Romans 4:4-5
Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.

Romans 4:13-15
It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

Ergo (The best way to not break the law is to have no law to break.)

Romans 7:1-6
Do you not know, brothers -- for I am speaking to men who know the law -- that the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives? For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man. So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God. For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Romans 9:30-32
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith, but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the “stumbling stone.”

Romans 10:4
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

Romans 14:5-6
One man considers one day more sacred than another; and another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He, who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 2:15-16
We who are Jews by birth and not ‘Gentile sinners’ know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

(Continued)

 

[Ahwatukee]

I disagree with you that because we are saved by grace, not law, we are not asked to keep the law. Keeping the law never results in our salvation, but a saved person who has been freed of sin through grace is asked not to go back to that sin.

The fact is that we, being made of flesh, sin even though we do not want to sin as Paul tells us, but that fact has no bearing at all on that we are asked to repent of all sin.

Matt. 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

1 John 2:3 By this we can be sure that we have come to know Him: if we keep His commandments.

(Continued)

Galatians 2:19-21
For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing.


Galatians 3:1-4
You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?

Galatians 3:10
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written” “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.”

Galatians 3:13-14
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree. He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

Note: Abraham was credited with righteousness because he believed God and no works of the Law were involved. The Law would not be established until another 430 years. Those who believe God the Father regarding His Son, are also credited with righteousness for our faith. Cornelius and his household was a good example of this. For while Peter was still speaking the gospel to them, the Spirit fell upon all of them so that they spoke in languages and prophesied and that without the laying on of hands, being baptized or performing any works or promising to do so.

Galatians 3:15-19
Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say “and to his seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise. What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.

Galatians 3:23-25
Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

Galatians 5:1-4
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery (to the Law). Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Ephesians 2:14-15
For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations.

Colossians 2:13-17
When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. (Food law, Feasts and holy days)

Hebrews 7:18-19
The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Hebrews 8:13
By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

II Corinthians 3:6
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant -- not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

2 Timothy 1:9
He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace.

Titus 3:4
But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy.

 

[Ahwatukee]

However, in answering this thread's question, I must insist that not once did Paul speak/teach against the law or fail to observe it. The Jews (primarily the pharisees) would accuse him of such, but it was untrue per his words and the elders'.

As long as there are those who are trusting in the Law as a requirement for salvation, this topic needs to be discussed, because trusting in the Law as a requirement for salvation will keep one out of the kingdom of God.

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Acts 15:5-11

Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the Law of Moses.”

The apostles and elders met to consider this question. After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith, Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

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The claim = The Gentile believers must be circumcised and required to obey the Law of Moses

The answer = No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as those without the law.”

We are not saved by keeping the law, nor can we be. Furthermore, Jesus warned of those who attempt to justify themselves through the keeping of the law.

Regarding the Law, Paul said the following:

"Watch out for those dogs, those workers of evil, those mutilators of the flesh! For it is we who are the circumcision, we who worship by the Spirit of God, who glory in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh (works of the law) — though I myself could have such confidence.

If anyone else thinks he has grounds for confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin; a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; as to zeal, persecuting the church; as to righteousness in the law, faultless.

But whatever was gain to me (the works of the Law) I count as loss for the sake of Christ. More than that, I count all things as loss compared to the surpassing excellence of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have lost all things. I consider them rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God on the basis of faith.

If we could be saved by observing the law, then Christ died for nothing!

 

[Yahshua]

If Paul didn't teach against the Laws of Moses, then I have a bogus Bible with a bunch of extra writings, principles and concepts that other Bibles do not have. Very . . . confusing.

Your Bible isn't bogus. Yes, pages suffes from translation weaknesses but it's not bogus.

Paul didn't preach against the law or fail to observe it.

 

[Magenta]

You who are trying to be justified by the law have been severed
from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. Galatians 5:4

 

[crossnote]

Trust me you guys, I have no desire to (re)enter into a debate on the law. You've been here as long as I have (if not longer) so you remember how heated things got here. Also, I personally believe there's no more time for such convincing anyhow what with the next stage of this grand drama around the corner. So "whoever's ____ let them be ___ still" is my motto at this present moment lol (I dunno...maybe it'll change).

However, in answering this thread's question, I must insist that not once did Paul speak/teach against the law or fail to observe it. The Jews (primarily the pharisees) would accuse him of such, but it was untrue per his words and the elders'.

Since you quoted me, I would have hoped you would address my points.

Now if Paul said he wasn't...and if the elders said Paul wasn't...and if Peter said Paul's words can be twisted...then clearly we - approx. 2000 years removed - must be extra careful to make sure we're not claiming the same thing about Paul as the Jews of the 1st century did.

This I know, the context (the whole chapter) where Peter made the statement of people twisting Paul's words,
was dealing with Christ's return...not the law! Selah.

 

[Magenta]

Acts 13:38-39

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Paul didn't preach against the law or fail to observe it.

Well, here is one of the Bible verses that apparently other bibles don't have.

Galatians 3:10 CSB - "For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written, Everyone who does not do everything written in the book of the law is cursed."

Paul made it very clear that if a person depends on the Law for Righteousness, they remain Cursed. How much more against the Law could Paul have been? Seriously, we need to start reading and understanding our Bibles before we start preaching and teaching.

 

[Yahshua]

Paul never...never...never preached against the law or failed to observe it.

Well, here is one of the Bible verses that apparently other bibles don't have.

Galatians 3:10 CSB - "For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written, Everyone who does not do everything written in the book of the law is cursed."

Paul made it very clear that if a person depends on the Law for Righteousness, they remain Cursed. How much more against the Law could Paul have been? Seriously, we need to start reading and understanding our Bibles before we start preaching and teaching.

Since you quoted me, I would have hoped you would address my points.

As long as there are those who are trusting in the Law as a requirement for salvation, this topic needs to be discussed, because trusting in the Law as a requirement for salvation will keep one out of the kingdom of God.

Note the operative phrase at issue: "as a REQUIRED FOR SALVATION!!"

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Q: What. does. salvation. mean?

A: Salvation. means. delivery. from. penalty. of. sin (i.e. breaking God's law).
A: Salvation. means. making. one. righteous again. from. sin-guilt.

No law.....in the history of the existence of everything.....ANYWHERE......no matter the kingdom....or government....or society.....for all time....can EVER deliver a person from the penalty of a law ONCE BROKEN.


No law.....in the history of the existence of everything.....ANYWHERE......no matter the kingdom....or government....or society.....for all time....can EVER make a person right again from a guilty verdict by a law ONCE BROKEN.​

GUILTY is GUILTY is GUILTY ONCE BROKEN.​

^ This is Paul's message regarding Almighty's law. This statement of truth that Paul frequently makes is NOT....I repeat....NOT speaking or preaching against the law. It is STATING A UNIVERSAL FACT about LAWS that 100% applies to Almighty's law too.

Laws are meant to show what CRIME is. That is their function. That is their ONLY function. No Law CAN'T MAKE a person INNOCENT AGAIN (right again) once BROKEN. No law can save a person from their crime. NO LAW HAS THAT POWER. The guilty person needs to either pay for the crime themselves OR be forgiven of the crime ONCE A LAW IS BROKEN.

Enter need for a Savior/Justifier when that price is too big.


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Q: How does One PROPHESY...FORECAST...PROMISE what that Savior is SPECIFICALLY going to do to SAVE/JUSTIFY?

A: Add laws for the transgression that MUST be PERFORMED/REHEARSED - year after year after year - as a MEMORIAL, until the one (that those SPECIFIC laws PROMISED) actually comes. When He comes...there's no longer a need to perform those rehearsals anymore.

^ "WORKS OF THE LAW" (i.e. sacrifices...cleansing rites...fleshy circumcision...blood rituals...death of person...etc.) were ADDED.

^^^^^AFTER SAVIOR COMES no more need to do these ^^^^^


Problem: Some Jews - who had been doing ^^these^^ all their lives - KEPT doing them AFTER Messiah, and also TAUGHT new gentile believers that they needed to do these too AFTER Messiah. This is false. A change was now made to the eternally-existing law, as explained by Paul. Messiah is performing the true form of ^^these^^ added laws, but in heaven now. So to continue to perform the rehearsals on earth is not having FAITH in the Messiah doing the heavenly work of CLEANSING/JUSTIFYING/FORGIVING/SAVING.

Through faith in Messiah, the result is an innocent man or woman in the eyes of the law. They are no longer UNDER THE PENALTY/CURSE of the LAW...but what's next?


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Q: What's expected of an innocent person regarding God's law after they're cleansed/justified/forgiven/saved?

A: The same thing that's expected of a person in ANY society after they are no longer guilty in the eyes of a law. They are EXPECTED TO OBEY the law to not fall into crime again.


Scriptures:
"Go and sin no more."
"I will show you faith by my works."
"Ready a people zealous for good works."
"This is the patience of the saints that they obey the commandments and have faith in Messiah."


...and to aid in ^^this task of obedience^^ Messiah sends the Holy Spirit and gives grace...


Titus 2:12
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;


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Paul never...never...never preached against the law or failed to observe it. He was an EXPERT of it.

 

[Yahshua]

I posted a double negative here...

No Law CAN'T MAKE a person INNOCENT AGAIN (right again) once BROKEN

I meant to say "no law can make a person innocent against (i.e. right again) once broken."

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Paul never...never...never preached against the law or failed to observe it.







Note the operative phrase at issue: "as a REQUIRED FOR SALVATION!!"

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Q: What. does. salvation. mean?

A: Salvation. means. delivery. from. penalty. of. sin (i.e. breaking God's law).
A: Salvation. means. making. one. righteous again. from. sin-guilt.

No law.....in the history of the existence of everything.....ANYWHERE......no matter the kingdom....or government....or society.....for all time....can EVER deliver a person from the penalty of a law ONCE BROKEN.


No law.....in the history of the existence of everything.....ANYWHERE......no matter the kingdom....or government....or society.....for all time....can EVER make a person right again from a guilty verdict by a law ONCE BROKEN.​

GUILTY is GUILTY is GUILTY ONCE BROKEN.​

^ This is Paul's message regarding Almighty's law. This statement of truth that Paul frequently makes is NOT....I repeat....NOT speaking or preaching against the law. It is STATING A UNIVERSAL FACT about LAWS that 100% applies to Almighty's law too.

Laws are meant to show what CRIME is. That is their function. That is their ONLY function. No Law CAN'T MAKE a person INNOCENT AGAIN (right again) once BROKEN. No law can save a person from their crime. NO LAW HAS THAT POWER. The guilty person needs to either pay for the crime themselves OR be forgiven of the crime ONCE A LAW IS BROKEN.

Enter need for a Savior/Justifier when that price is too big.


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Q: How does One PROPHESY...FORECAST...PROMISE what that Savior is SPECIFICALLY going to do to SAVE/JUSTIFY?

A: Add laws for the transgression that MUST be PERFORMED/REHEARSED - year after year after year - as a MEMORIAL, until the one (that those SPECIFIC laws PROMISED) actually comes. When He comes...there's no longer a need to perform those rehearsals anymore.

^ "WORKS OF THE LAW" (i.e. sacrifices...cleansing rites...fleshy circumcision...blood rituals...death of person...etc.) were ADDED.

^^^^^AFTER SAVIOR COMES no more need to do these ^^^^^


Problem: Some Jews - who had been doing ^^these^^ all their lives - KEPT doing them AFTER Messiah, and also TAUGHT new gentile believers that they needed to do these too AFTER Messiah. This is false. A change was now made to the eternally-existing law, as explained by Paul. Messiah is performing the true form of ^^these^^ added laws, but in heaven now. So to continue to perform the rehearsals on earth is not having FAITH in the Messiah doing the heavenly work of CLEANSING/JUSTIFYING/FORGIVING/SAVING.

Through faith in Messiah, the result is an innocent man or woman in the eyes of the law. They are no longer UNDER THE PENALTY/CURSE of the LAW...but what's next?


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Q: What's expected of an innocent person regarding God's law after they're cleansed/justified/forgiven/saved?

A: The same thing that's expected of a person in ANY society after they are no longer guilty in the eyes of a law. They are EXPECTED TO OBEY the law to not fall into crime again.


Scriptures:
"Go and sin no more."
"I will show you faith by my works."
"Ready a people zealous for good works."
"This is the patience of the saints that they obey the commandments and have faith in Messiah."


...and to aid in ^^this task of obedience^^ Messiah sends the Holy Spirit and gives grace...


Titus 2:12
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;


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Paul never...never...never preached against the law or failed to observe it. He was an EXPERT of it.

Keep studying. You have a ways to go.

 

[Yahshua]

Keep studying. You have a ways to go.

lol smh... thanks.

 

[crossnote]

Q: What's expected of an innocent person regarding God's law after they're cleansed/justified/forgiven/saved?

A: The same thing that's expected of a person in ANY society after they are no longer guilty in the eyes of a law. They are EXPECTED TO OBEY the law to not fall into crime again.

What is expected? Faith in Jesus Christ...

Habakkuk 2:4 (KJV) Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

Romans 1:17 (KJV) For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Galatians 3:11 (KJV) But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Hebrews 10:38 (KJV) Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

Here is an example of what this 'faith' looks like...

2 Corinthians 11:22-28 (KJV) Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I. Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft. Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness. Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.

When you have done half of what Paul went through, come back and I'll discuss this matter.

 

[Yahshua]

When you have done half of what Paul went through, come back and I'll discuss this matter.

lol smh... thanks.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

lol smh... thanks.

Oh I know . . . everything is funny. That's the Way of today's church.

 

[Yahshua]

Oh I know . . . everything is funny. That's the Way of today's church.

What was funny was your unnecessarily condescending tone, claiming I need to study more while not addressing anything in the post that you took specifically issue with so we can discuss it.

I was also having a chuckle because - as if right on cue - conversations about obey the law usually bring the demons out of people and all the supposed "love of Christ" flies right out the window, as if I've personally attacked them in any way.

It just goes to prove what Paul says; that the flesh (note I said "the flesh", not the person) HATES God's law. Absolutely hates it.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

What was funny was your unnecessarily condescending tone, claiming I need to study more while not addressing anything in the post that you took specifically issue with so we can discuss it.

I was also having a chuckle because - as if right on cue - conversations about obey the law usually bring the demons out of people and all the supposed "love of Christ" flies right out the window, as if I've personally attacked them in any way.

It just goes to prove what Paul says; that the flesh (note I said "the flesh", not the person) HATES God's law. Absolutely hates it.

I don't know what laws you follow, but I follow the Laws of the Spirit of Life. You laugh at me, and then charge that I have no Love within me. Classic. A person can't make this stuff up.

 

[Yahshua]

I don't know what laws you follow, but I follow the Laws of the Spirit of Life. You laugh at me, and then charge that I have no Love within me. Classic. A person can't make this stuff up.

(lol...and here...we...go.) You're letting your flesh stir. Note what spirit you're of.

I'm willing discuss the post if you're willing. What issue do you take with my post regarding Paul's teaching about the law? Is there a specific portion you feel I need to study more? if so could you explain why?