Was the crucifixion that Jesus endured the worst possible suffering a human could experience?

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Magenta

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I have read it. Where did I deny what it said?
You denied Jesus became flesh. You denied He is the Word. Stop playing games. You don't fool me.

Your deceitfulness in this regard should be a red flag for everyone.
 

CS1

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Okay, so Jesus IS fully human and fully divine? Can someone please clarify this is confusing.
the man Jesus is what the Spirit of Christ took on. The Spirit of Christ is eternal the body of Jesus was formed by the Power of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of Christ has always been known as the " the Word" Logos found in John's gospel chapter 1. Jesus is the very expression of the Father who cannot be seen. Jesus came not by the will of man but of the Holy Spirit. Jesus willfully took on the body of a man to accept the limitation of the body the Spirit of Christ emptied Himself to achieve the will of the Father. The theological term is known as Kenosis.
The Body of Jesus is eternal because that body is the witness of the price paid for all. You will see HIm you will touch Him you will hear Him, all this will be done and all will be done literally.
 

VickyK

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You denied Jesus became flesh. You denied He is the Word. Stop playing games. You don't fool me.

Your deceitfulness in this regard should be a red flag for everyone.
My understanding is that Jesus is fully human and fully divine (FHaFD).

Therefore Jesus is flesh (fully human) and cannot BECOME flesh, as he is flesh already.

If my understanding that Jesus is FHaFD is wrong then perhaps you are correct.
 

CS1

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My understanding is that Jesus is fully human and fully divine (FHaFD).

Therefore Jesus is flesh (fully human) and cannot BECOME flesh, as he is flesh already.

If my understanding that Jesus is FHaFD is wrong then perhaps you are correct.
can you tell me what FHa FD is ?
 

VickyK

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the man Jesus is what the Spirit of Christ took on. The Spirit of Christ is eternal the body of Jesus was formed by the Power of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of Christ has always been known as the " the Word" Logos found in John's gospel chapter 1. Jesus is the very expression of the Father who cannot be seen. Jesus came not by the will of man but of the Holy Spirit. Jesus willfully took on the body of a man to accept the limitation of the body the Spirit of Christ emptied Himself to achieve the will of the Father. The theological term is known as Kenosis.
The Body of Jesus is eternal because that body is the witness of the price paid for all. You will see HIm you will touch Him you will hear Him, all this will be done and all will be done literally.
If Jesus is the man (FHaFD) how could 'he' take on the body of a man?

Feel free to message me if you'd like to explain this further.
 

CS1

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My understanding is that Jesus is fully human and fully divine (FHaFD).

Therefore Jesus is flesh (fully human) and cannot BECOME flesh, as he is flesh already.

If my understanding that Jesus is FHaFD is wrong then perhaps you are correct.
the man Jesus came to be when the Spirit of Christ took on the form of a man. Jesus is flesh Jesus is Spirit Jesus has a glorified body that no one fully knows how it will be other than what the Bible says it 's like

The resurrected body of Jesus:
  1. could be seen, John 20
  2. touched John 20
  3. he ate
  4. he appeared through doors ""
  5. he traveled ""
  6. his wounds could be seen""
  7. he spoke ""
  8. he accended
  9. he will return in the same likeness he left with the same type of body. Acts chapter 1
 

VickyK

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the man Jesus came to be when the Spirit of Christ took on the form of a man. Jesus is flesh Jesus is Spirit Jesus has a glorified body that no one fully knows how it will be other than what the Bible says it 's like

The resurrected body of Jesus:
  1. could be seen, John 20
  2. touched John 20
  3. he ate
  4. he appeared through doors ""
  5. he traveled ""
  6. his wounds could be seen""
  7. he spoke ""
  8. he accended
  9. he will return in the same likeness he left with the same type of body. Acts chapter 1
Okay. So did Jesus become flesh?
 

CS1

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Okay. So did Jesus become flesh?
the person Jesus was born as you and I were as a baby with flesh. The only difference is Jesus had no earthly father who impregnated mary.
 

VickyK

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the person Jesus was born as you and I were as a baby with flesh. The only difference is Jesus had no earthly father who impregnated mary.
Okay. So did Jesus become flesh?
 

CS1

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Okay. So did Jesus become flesh?
the name Jesus was not given until he was born Human, The name Jesus was given to testify of his humanity we cannot deny God has come in the flesh.
 

VickyK

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the name Jesus was not given until he was born Human, The name Jesus was given to testify of his humanity we cannot deny God has come in the flesh.
So...no
 

Roughsoul1991

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Which fate would you imagine would be more painful?
Definitely what Jesus went through. He was beat, ridiculed, stripped naked, whipped with shards of bone or steel until his back was ribbons of flesh. Then forced to drag his beam of wood up while under blood loss, the weight crushing his back, being spit on, and then he collapsed. So they get him up to hill. Lay him down on the beams. Hammer a nail in both wrists and ankles. They raise him in the air where he must fight gravity to breath. He must push up while the nails are grinding against flesh and bone. As he raises up, his back with muscle and tissue exposed scrapes across the wood. He breaths and weakness, pain, and gravity force him to do it all over again until trauma and blood loss end his life sooner than expected. They were about to break his legs to allow suffocation but he was already dead.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Interchange the word "Word" for Jesus.

John 1:1-14
New International Version

The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God, and the Word (Jesus) was God. 2 He (Jesus) was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.


14 The Word (Jesus) became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son (Jesus), who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Now John goes on to give his gospel about Jesus who became flesh. John is the book that has many references to the divinity of Jesus and Him being part of the God head (trinity).
 

VickyK

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Interchange the word "Word" for Jesus.

John 1:1-14
New International Version

The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God, and the Word (Jesus) was God. 2 He (Jesus) was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.


14 The Word (Jesus) became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son (Jesus), who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Now John goes on to give his gospel about Jesus who became flesh. John is the book that has many references to the divinity of Jesus and Him being part of the God head (trinity).
I thought Jesus was fully human?
 

Journeyman

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But I thought Jesus IS God?
He is. The Son of God is God,

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christis come in the flesh is not of God 1Jn.4:2-3

And the Lord existed as the Word before being born into this world. And it was the world who vented their wrath on him.
 

VickyK

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He is. The Son of God is God,

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christis come in the flesh is not of God 1Jn.4:2-3

And the Lord existed as the Word before being born into this world. And it was the world who vented their wrath on him.
Of course. I would never deny the trinity.
 

VickyK

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Definitely what Jesus went through. He was beat, ridiculed, stripped naked, whipped with shards of bone or steel until his back was ribbons of flesh. Then forced to drag his beam of wood up while under blood loss, the weight crushing his back, being spit on, and then he collapsed. So they get him up to hill. Lay him down on the beams. Hammer a nail in both wrists and ankles. They raise him in the air where he must fight gravity to breath. He must push up while the nails are grinding against flesh and bone. As he raises up, his back with muscle and tissue exposed scrapes across the wood. He breaths and weakness, pain, and gravity force him to do it all over again until trauma and blood loss end his life sooner than expected. They were about to break his legs to allow suffocation but he was already dead.
You think it would be less painful to be raped over 400 times, beaten, starved, hung from the ceiling and used as a "punching bag", have barbells dropped onto your stomach, forced to eat live cockroaches and drink your own urine, forced to masturbate in front of them, and forced to dance and sing to songs while being beaten? Have inserted many objects into your rectum and anus (vagina also if you were female), including a lit light bulb and fireworks?

They burned her vagina and clitoris with cigarettes and lighters, and her eyelids with hot wax. They also tore off her left nipple with pliers and pierced her breasts with sewing needles. Furuta was said to slip into unconsciousness because of the repeated assaults, leading them to dunk her head into a bucket of water each time to continue the torture.When her body was found, Oronamin C bottles had been inserted into her anus, her face was unrecognizable, and she had become pregnant from the repeated rapes. This was over the course of 44 days.
 

Journeyman

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Of course. I would never deny the trinity.
Good. And do you also understand that One member of the Trinity would never vent his wrath on another member of the Trinity?
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Could you answer my question? Was Jesus suffering worse than that of Junko Furuta?
The very thought of her prolonged torture is sickening and gives one the urge to take a hammer to the sadistic perpetrators.
However, her terror & agony ended at death.

Jesus suffered the torment of eternal hell after his physical death.
He agonises still over every injustice. Every human suffering that calls out for justice rings in his ears. Including that poor girl's.
This is the reason his vengeance will be fierce.