water baptism in Jesus' Name.

[Niki7]

Yes, that specific doctrine is just like I have presented.

I'll give you this much. No matter how wrong your are, no matter how much you are actually giving misinformation about Calvary Chapel, you just stick with it anyway. Must be talking points

 

[Niki7]

Yes, my doctrine.

Just like Jesus said His doctrine was His doctrine and Paul said that his doctrine was his doctrine.

Yet both doctrines of both people are entirely biblical.

Jhn 7:16, Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

2Ti 3:10, But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

You ain't Jesus tho. Guess you forgot that. smh

 

[Niki7]

Wrong.

According to Acts 2:38-39, baptism in Jesus' Name is the condition to the fulfilling of a promise of remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Wrong.

Still wrong.

Continues to be wrong.

Will continue to be wrong.

Sticking with his wrong principles. Not admirable

 

[Niki7]

Actually, I do not.

I preach what I preach on the internet alone.

I consider that my doctrine may in fact work its way around to my brethren at my attended church.

I utilize the same tactic that Paul did. He attempted to reach his own people by preaching to the Gentiles; hoping that the salvation would provoke his brethren to jealousy in order that they might be saved.

And that, ladies and gents, is why he can still attend there.

I consider that my doctrine may in fact work its way around to my brethren at my attended church.

So you are doing the work of the devil, trying to squiggle in to the congregation with unbiblical personal beliefs. I pray you are discovered.

Don't compare yourself to Paul. He would say some very strong words of condemnation for someone who sneaks into a church and starts spreading seeds of distrust and lies against the true gospel of Christ.

 

[Niki7]

Yes, one must be a true believer with the Holy Ghost in order for the promise to apply.



It appears that you are now falsely accusing me of being on the side of the false accuser.

All you had to say was that it doesn't irk you if someone is saved through baptism in Jesus' Name; and I would have taken your word for it.

But as it is, you are evading the question.

And it was a question, not a statement.

And therefore, not an accusation.

You know there is an old expression. Give a person enough rope and they will hang themself

You have been given reams of rope and done the deed to yourself

Sadly though, in your confusion and deception, you pat yourself on the back.

You are a deceiver and nothing more. I would not care if you just come here like so many others and try to implant false doctrine among true believers, but you have now revealed you are secretly working in a Calvary Chapel to persuade those believers into your false gospel.

The Bible has quite a bit to say about someone who does this and it is quite condemnatory in nature.

 

[ResidentAlien]

"To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins." Acts 10:43

 

[Niki7]

I would encourage the reader to receive baptism in Jesus' Name even if you only have certain doubts about whether or not you are saved at times.

Receiving the ordinance will remove all doubt.

Of this I will only say that the Father is a Spirit (John 4:23-24) and there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4).

Therefore, the Father and the Holy Ghost are the same Spirit.

One, the preincarnate Christ; and the other, the same Spirit released into eternity at the death of Jesus.

Denies being Oneness but he is Oneness so the dude cannot keep on track with truth which is why he forgets what he said and then posts the opposite of what he said

Appears to also believe if you are not baptized in Jesus name only, you are not saved

Needs to go into orbit around the space station

 

[WayneKCobb]

Yes, belief without corresponding action is dead.

Thank you Wansvic! I appreciate your comment.
Wayne

 

[Niki7]

Just want to remind everyone of something that was spoken of earlier...

That in Acts 2:37-41, before they were actually baptized and after they repented, Peter told them to "be saved from this untoward generation".

Therefore, they were not saved before they were baptized; even if they did have faith and it was a believer's baptism.

Let's see. A generation is 20 - 30 years. So it seems, if we want to disassemble the actual truth of scripture as you do, we are safe from that untoward generation as they are all dead.

No worries! We're good.

I can't say what should be said here, so I make light of this instead.

 

[Cameron143]

Yes, belief without corresponding action is dead.

True. But works aren't the impetus of faith, merely the the evidence of it. Verse 10 of Ephesians 2 says we are recreated by faith that we might do works.

 

[WayneKCobb]

According to 1 Peter 3:20-21 baptism is the antitype that now saves us. An antitype is not a type. It is the real thing. And, yes, without Jesus' sacrifice baptism would be meaningless.

Hi again, Mailmandan,

I know that you believe that one must be baptized after salvation. Can you give me the verses in the New Testament that give a reason or purpose for being baptized?

Thank you,
Wayne

 

[WayneKCobb]

Their "belief" at this point was "mental assent" that Jesus was the Messiah and they were guilty of crucifying Him. That is not saving belief yet. Nothing is mentioned here about them trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ for salvation, which explains why they still needed to repent and believe the gospel in that order.

In Acts 2:38, "for the remission of sins" does not refer back to both clauses, "you all repent" and "each one of you be baptized," but refers only to the first. Peter is saying "repent unto the remission of your sins," the same as in Acts 3:19. The clause "each one of you be baptized" is parenthetical. This is exactly what Acts 3:19 teaches except that Peter omits the parenthesis.

*Also compare the fact that these Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism. (Acts 10:47)

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18.

*So the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*


Those who gladly received his word (upon repentance/faith) were "afterwards" baptized. So they were added to the Lord upon repentance/faith prior to receiving water baptism, just as we see in Acts 10:43;47.

Acts 4:4 - However, many of those who heard the word believed; and the number of the men came to be about five thousand. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 5:14 - And believers were increasingly added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

For the same reason the Gentiles did in Acts 10:43-47.

Hi Mailmandan,

In Acts 10:43-47 refers to the baptism of the Holy Spirit not the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. They received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit when they were baptized in water. See Acts 2:38.

In Christ or Lord,
Wayne

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

here is a not Christ like post the implication is totally out of line

You mean like saying, Sick em God?

kind of like half of David's, Psalms, he wrote

 

[Beckie]

Hnasdl


You mean like saying, Sick em God?

kind of like half of David's, Psalms, he wrote

Isn't that what we say to dogs?

you put this dude on the same level as David? really

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Isn't that what we say to dogs?

Agreed!

I am merely pointing out, the man who God claimed was after His Own heart, sure filled a lot of parchment with burn em God, send em to Hell, destroy their souls, make ashes out of them. David, sounds like he just called Sicily, and ordered a hit out on someone.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

There is not a single Reason, God, Himself, gained from His Own physical Death and Burial. We know why He did it for us, we are the ones who gain from His Death, Burial, and especially His Resurrection. Water Baptism, is merely a Symbol of God's DBR. There are No Quality Advantages between a person living for God who is Baptized and who is not. A SYMBOL of a Representation, like what Water Baptism is, [[is not]] going to do anything for me at all Spiritually. It just keeps the idiots, who preach, Water Baptism, happy

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

you put this dude on the same level as David? really

Nope, I love seeing people actually believe what they read so much they do it themselves. That is blind faith that what the Bible states is 100% fact and I should be doing it myself....kind of attitude.

I have no problem with people like that one bit.

They are walking in Victory, whether, we think they're sane or not.

 

[WayneKCobb]

There is not a single Reason, God, Himself, gained from His Own physical Death and Burial. We know why He did it for us, we are the ones who gain from His Death, Burial, and especially His Resurrection. Water Baptism, is merely a Symbol of God's DBR. There are No Quality Advantages between a person living for God who is Baptized and who is not. A SYMBOL of a Representation, like what Water Baptism is, [[is not]] going to do anything for me at all Spiritually. It just keeps the idiots, who preach, Water Baptism, happy

Hi Watcher,

Can you give me some scriptures that tell the purpose and reason for water baptism?

Thank you,
Wayne

 

[WayneKCobb]

Let's see. A generation is 20 - 30 years. So it seems, if we want to disassemble the actual truth of scripture as you do, we are safe from that untoward generation as they are all dead.

No worries! We're good.

I can't say what should be said here, so I make light of this instead.

Hi, Niki7, are there any scriptures in the New Testament that give a reason or purpose for being baptized?

Thank you,
Wayne

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

But, there are no Biblical examples of Commanding in the Name of the Father or Holy Spirit, it is ALWAY's in Jesus' Name!
So, his command is null and void anyway.

Another thing that cracks me is people praying to the Holy Spirit. I don't see that ANYWHERE, and we have songs like Holy Spirit you are welcome here. The Holy Spirit's function does not go into action using or praying in the Name of the Holy Spirit. You want it DONE, it is in the NAME of Jesus!