water baptism in Jesus' Name.

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mailmandan

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While I do repeat myself often in this thread according to the subject of the thread, I do also speak on other subjects.

As concerning this subject, it should be clear that we can receive remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost through repentance and the ordinance of water baptism in Jesus' Name.

Why not just "get this one done"?
So that is what your faith truly trusts in. Receiving water baptism with the specific formula of words presented 'in Jesus name' for salvation. If you are not trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation, then you still have not repented and you don't believe the gospel no matter how many times you get dunked in water. Why not just get this done?
 
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Not all belief is the same, as I already thoroughly explained to you in post #892, but apparently, what I explained to you just seemed to go right over your head. Your iffy salvation is ridiculous. Faith without works is dead. Remember? (James 2:20) Yet you refer to this shallow, temporary belief in Luke 8:13 that has no root, produces no fruit, lacks moisture and withers away as saving faith? Get real. I know I have faith. I am trusting 100% in Jesus Christ for salvation. Everything with you is about baptism. It's like an obsession! You seem to have more faith in baptism to save you than you do in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Sad. I already previously explained that I have already received water baptism following my conversion several years ago, so that's not an issue. I can't think of one Christian I know who refused to be water baptized after their conversion.
Okay, so if you have a nominal, shallow faith, you aren't saved.

Even in this, mere belief is "iffy"

Because a nominal, shallow faith just might be the faith that you have if you have not been baptized.

You presume, presumptuously, that your faith is not of that kind.

But the faith of those who do not take the step of confessing Jesus publicly, their faith is generally not of that kind.

I will say that you can confess Jesus publicly with your mouth apart from water baptism;

But that baptism is a much more extensive commitment and not easily turned back on.

That is why Jesus wants you to take the plunge, in His Name.

Because it is a full and extensive commitment to His Lordship in your life.

If you don't want to do it, then maybe you aren't ready to live with Jesus as the Lord of your life.
 

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Why, in Acts 2:37-41, were the disciples who were baptized, not saved until after they were baptized? Did they not believe before they were baptized? Yet Peter exhorts them to "be saved from this untoward generation" after they repented and immediately before they were baptized.
You remain confused. :(
 
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So that is what your faith truly trusts in. Receiving water baptism with the specific formula of words presented 'in Jesus name' for salvation. If you are not trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation, then you still have not repented and you don't believe the gospel no matter how many times you get dunked in water. Why not just get this done?
Of course, if I have received baptism in Jesus' Name, that is a symbol of my commitment to Him....and of my faith in His death, burial, and resurrection.

I think that people who don't believe generally won't receive baptism in His Name; especially if I am getting such opposition to this doctrine from so-called believers!
 

mailmandan

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Okay, so if you have a nominal, shallow faith, you aren't saved.

Even in this, mere belief is "iffy"

Because a nominal, shallow faith just might be the faith that you have if you have not been baptized.

You presume, presumptuously, that your faith is not of that kind.

But the faith of those who do not take the step of confessing Jesus publicly, their faith is generally not of that kind.

I will say that you can confess Jesus publicly with your mouth apart from water baptism;

But that baptism is a much more extensive commitment and not easily turned back on.

That is why Jesus wants you to take the plunge, in His Name.

Because it is a full and extensive commitment to His Lordship in your life.

If you don't want to do it, then maybe you aren't ready to live with Jesus as the Lord of your life.
I already took the plunge after my conversion several years ago. Next. In Jesus name speaks of the authority of Jesus and not a salvation formula. Therefore, when we are properly baptized in the name of Jesus, we are baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, just as Jesus commanded us to do. (Matthew 28:19) There is genuine confession (Matthew 16:16) and there is also lip service confession. (Matthew 7:21-23)
 
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I already took the plunge after my conversion several years ago. Next. In Jesus name speaks of the authority of Jesus and not a salvation formula. Therefore, when we are properly baptized in the name of Jesus, we are baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, just as Jesus commanded us to do. (Matthew 28:19) There is genuine confession (Matthew 16:16) and there is also lip service confession. (Matthew 7:21-23)
Okay. I hope that it is true that you also recognize the name that also belongs to the titles in Matthew 28:19; revealed in Acts 2:38.

Because if you don't, then you have the wrong Jesus and therefore are not saved by the real Jesus.

For the real Jesus is revealed to us in Colossians 2:9 (kjv).
 
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I already took the plunge after my conversion several years ago. Next. In Jesus name speaks of the authority of Jesus and not a salvation formula. Therefore, when we are properly baptized in the name of Jesus, we are baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, just as Jesus commanded us to do. (Matthew 28:19) There is genuine confession (Matthew 16:16) and there is also lip service confession. (Matthew 7:21-23)
When we are baptized in the "name" (singular) of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost, we are baptized in the Name of "Jesus Christ".

Agree or disagree?
 

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So that is what your faith truly trusts in. Receiving water baptism with the specific formula of words presented 'in Jesus name' for salvation. If you are not trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation, then you still have not repented and you don't believe the gospel no matter how many times you get dunked in water. Why not just get this done?
It seems his religious notions have a god that responds to some sort of magical incantations/rituals? Do this, just this way: say the right magic words... then his god is obligated to respond... idk?
 

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Okay. I hope that it is true that you also recognize the name that also belongs to the titles in Matthew 28:19; revealed in Acts 2:38.

Because if you don't, then you have the wrong Jesus and therefore are not saved by the real Jesus.

For the real Jesus is revealed to us in Colossians 2:9 (kjv).
I have the real Jesus revealed to us in John 1:1,14; John 8:58 and Colossians 2:9.
 
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It seems his religious notions have a god that responds to some sort of magical incantations/rituals? Do this, just this way: say the right magic words... then his god is obligated to respond... idk?
God gives conditional promises with points of contact for faith.

Fulfill the condition, receive the promise.

He doesn't lie when He makes His promises.
 
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Must baptism be “in Jesus’ name”?
by Matt Slick | Dec 8, 2008 | Oneness Pentecostal, World Religions
Oneness Pentecostal theology maintains that baptism must be by immersion using the formula “in Jesus name” and not the formula “in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit” as is found in Matt. 28:19. They reject the Trinitarian formula because they reject the Trinity. To support their method, they cite various Bible verses that reference baptizing in Jesus’ name and claim that this is proof for their doctrine. The following are some of the Bible references they quote.
  • Acts 2:38,” Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
  • Acts 8:16, “For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
  • Acts 10:48, “And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
  • Acts 19:5, “When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
  • Acts 22:16, ‘And now why do you delay? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.’
Let’s take a look at what is going on in the verses. The phrase, “in the name of the Lord,” is not a reference to a baptismal formula but a reference to authority. It is similar to hearing someone say, “Stop in the name of the Law!” We understand that the “name of the Law” means by the authority of the Law. It is the same with baptism “in Jesus’ name.” To baptize in Jesus’ name is to baptize in the authority of Jesus. Consider the following:
  • “And when they had placed them in the center, they began to inquire, “By what power, or in what name, have you done this?” 8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers and elders of the people, 9 if we are on trial today for a benefit done to a sick man, as to how this man has been made well, 10 let it be known to all of you, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead–by this name this man stands here before you in good health” (Acts 4:7-10).
  • Acts 4:17-18, “But in order that it may not spread any further among the people, let us warn them to speak no more to any man in this name. 18And when they had summoned them, they commanded them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus.”
  • Acts 5:28, “We gave you strict orders not to continue teaching in this name, and behold, you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and intend to bring this man’s blood upon us.”
  • Acts 5:40, “And they took his advice; and after calling the apostles in, they flogged them and ordered them to speak no more in the name of Jesus, and then released them.”
  • Acts 8:12, “But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike.”
  • Acts 9:27-28, “But Barnabas took hold of him and brought him to the apostles and described to them how he had seen the Lord on the road, and that He had talked to him, and how at Damascus he had spoken out boldly in the name of Jesus. 28And he was with them moving about freely in Jerusalem, speaking out boldly in the name of the Lord.”
  • Acts 16:18, “And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.”
We can see that the phrase is used in the Bible as an expression of authority. This is particularly clarified in Acts 16:18 above. Let’s look at it again. “And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.” We also see that when people were being baptized, they did it calling on Jesus’ name (Acts 22:16); that is, they were calling upon Jesus who has all authority in heaven and earth (Matt. 28:18). The church is supposed to “call upon the name of the Lord Jesus” (1 Cor. 1:2) because it is by His authority (John 1:12) that we Christians have the hope and right of forgiveness of sins and adoption as His children (Rom. 8:15).
Therefore, the Oneness Pentecostal people are simply in error by demanding that baptism be done with the formula “In Jesus name.” Instead, it should be done as Jesus commanded:
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,” (Matt. 28:19).
The proper way to baptize in Jesus’ name is to say, “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”
 
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In answer to what is written in post #1,058...

I will only say that to baptize in the authority of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is to baptize in the authority of Jesus Christ.

So, the Oneness of God in the Trinity is upheld.

There is arising a new breed among Oneness Pentecostals...those who do not reject the Trinity but who affirm it; while still emphasizing the Oneness of the Lord in the Trinity.

The Trinity is clearly laid forth in my thread,

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-trinity-my-take.211049/