water baptism in Jesus' Name.

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The servant of the Lord must not strive, is what I read recently.

So, I am not going to strive with you by answering again with the same comments as though having the last word means you've won the argument.

Your arguments are fallacious and do not hold water; therefore I can let what I have said up to this point stand and rest assured in the fact that your doctrine is soundly refuted.
 

Niki7

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GOT QUESTIONS lays out the significance of the true reason for baptism so I'm posting what they say here to keep it simple

Baptism was practiced before the founding of the church. The Jews of ancient times would baptize proselytes to signify the converts’ “cleansed” nature. John the Baptist used baptism to prepare the way of the Lord, requiring everyone, not just Gentiles, to be baptized because everyone needs repentance. However, John’s baptism, signifying repentance, is not the same as Christian baptism, as seen in Acts 18:24–26 and 19:1–7. Christian baptism has a deeper significance.

Baptism is to be done in the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit—this is what makes it “Christian” baptism. It is through this ordinance that a person is admitted into the fellowship of the church. When we are saved, we are “baptized” by the Spirit into the Body of Christ, which is the church. First Corinthians 12:13 says, “We were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.” Baptism by water is a “reenactment” of the baptism by the Spirit.

Christian baptism is the means by which a person makes a public profession of faith and discipleship. In the waters of baptism, a person says, wordlessly, “I confess faith in Christ; Jesus has cleansed my soul from sin, and I now have a new life of sanctification.”

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Niki7

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GOT QUESTIONS lays out the significance of the true reason for baptism so I'm posting what they say here to keep it simple

Baptism was practiced before the founding of the church. The Jews of ancient times would baptize proselytes to signify the converts’ “cleansed” nature. John the Baptist used baptism to prepare the way of the Lord, requiring everyone, not just Gentiles, to be baptized because everyone needs repentance. However, John’s baptism, signifying repentance, is not the same as Christian baptism, as seen in Acts 18:24–26 and 19:1–7. Christian baptism has a deeper significance.

Baptism is to be done in the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit—this is what makes it “Christian” baptism. It is through this ordinance that a person is admitted into the fellowship of the church. When we are saved, we are “baptized” by the Spirit into the Body of Christ, which is the church. First Corinthians 12:13 says, “We were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.” Baptism by water is a “reenactment” of the baptism by the Spirit.

Christian baptism is the means by which a person makes a public profession of faith and discipleship. In the waters of baptism, a person says, wordlessly, “I confess faith in Christ; Jesus has cleansed my soul from sin, and I now have a new life of sanctification.”

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Mem

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Just adding water doesn't produce any sea monkeys. Don't fall for the scam.
 
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I have said my piece.

So, have at it.

Lambast the doctrine until you all feel better about your decisions to reject baptism in Jesus' Name; and to also attempt to discourage others from doing so,
 

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More eisegesis. Romans 1:16 simply says BELIEVES. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 simply says BELIEVE. Ephesians 1:13 simply says BELIEVED. You keep adding the work of water baptism to BELIEVES.. We need to be very careful that we truly believe the gospel. (2 Corinthians 4:3,4)
The scripture actually reads in whom also after ye believed ye were sealed/received the Holy Spirit.

Eph 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom ALSO AFTER that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Parallels Acts 2:38-39:
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise
is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.



And again Paul's question to the Gentile Ephesians indicates the Holy Ghost is not automatically received upon belief. The record goes on to reveal when the 12 received the Holy Ghost. They received the Holy Ghost when Paul laid hands upon them AFTER they believed in Jesus, and AFTER they were baptized in water in the name of Jesus:

Acts 19:2-6
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

AND when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
 

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Following, more from Got Questions, so same source, same article. Notice this describes CHRISTIAN baptism. There are, apparently, different notions about what constitutes baptism and different ceremonies performed such as making babies cry by sprinkling their little heads with cold water, but nope...the only one that is acceptable is the one described in scripture which follows this intro


Christian baptism illustrates, in dramatic style, the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. At the same time, it also illustrates our death to sin and new life in Christ. As the sinner confesses the Lord Jesus, he dies to sin (Romans 6:11) and is raised to a brand-new life (Colossians 2:12). Being submerged in the water represents death to sin, and emerging from the water represents the cleansed, holy life that follows salvation. Romans 6:4 puts it this way: “We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.”

Very simply, baptism is an outward testimony of the inward change in a believer’s life. Christian baptism is an act of obedience to the Lord after salvation; although baptism is closely associated with salvation, it is not a requirement to be saved. The Bible shows in many places that the order of events is 1) a person believes in the Lord Jesus and 2) he is baptized. This sequence is seen in Acts 2:41, “Those who accepted [Peter’s] message were baptized” (see also Acts 16:14–15).

A new believer in Jesus Christ should desire to be baptized as soon as possible. In Acts 8 Philip speaks “the good news about Jesus” to the Ethiopian eunuch, and, “as they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, ‘Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?’” (verses 35–36). Right away, they stopped the chariot, and Philip baptized the man.

Baptism illustrates a believer’s identification with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. Everywhere the gospel is preached and people are drawn to faith in Christ, they are to be baptized.
 

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your KJV is flawed. its a translated. it is not inspired by God.
So your position is that God has allowed a corrupted, uninspired bible to circulate and lead people in the wrong direction for generations? Not even remotely possible. The KJV has withstood the test of time because it is the inspired word of God! Those who find fault do so because of erroneous denominational beliefs.

Satan would like nothing more than to strip one's confidence of God's weapon of our warfare; His word! Disarming people is always the enemy's objective whether in the natural or spiritual realms.
 

Wansvic

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go drink poison and allow a snake to bite you and see if you do not die.

In fact. look at all the believers who died of these very thing in the last 2000 years. and then tell me if the end of mark 16 can be verified.
Anyone who does that intentionally is a nit wit.

No Spirit filled man or woman would ever knowingly tempt God. Scripture does however reveal that God protects His children from just such things:


"And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.

4 And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live.

5 And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm.

6 Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god." Acts 28:3-6
 

Mem

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I have said my piece.

So, have at it.

Lambast the doctrine until you all feel better about your decisions to reject baptism in Jesus' Name; and to also attempt to discourage others from doing so,
You're short, and it is obvious that you need to pervert the gospel with your doctrine to get a rise.