Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection

[FreeGrace2]

Now, hammering the point home, why do you think Paul asked the questions in 1 Corinthians 15:29?

No one knows. No commentary that I've read has the answer as to what Paul specifically was referring to.

Here is from one commentary: http://www.freebiblecommentary.org/new_testament_studies/VOL06/VOL06A_15.html

"what will those do who are baptized for the dead" This verse has caused major problems in interpretation. We have no parallel passages in Scripture. We have no other reference for this practice in the early church, although there is some historical evidence about something similar being practiced among the heretics of the second and third century. We must admit we just do not know biblically exactly to what this refers. Some theories are:

1. new Christians baptized to take the place of dead Christians
2. new converts baptized because of their respect for a dead loved one
3. persons in catechism having died before being baptized were proxy baptized by living Christians
4. new converts were baptized over the graves of great Christians

Hermeneutically several assumptions need to be applied to the interpretation of this verse.

1. It basically is in a series of examples/illustrations of the reality of the resurrection.
2. One does not build theology/doctrine on illustrations.
3. Since there is no clue to the exact historical reference, this text should not be emphasized or applied and surely not turned into a doctrine (i.e. Mormonism)
4. It is even contextually uncertain if Paul is affirming this practice or simply making an allusion to it (cf. TEV, NJB)

1 Corinthians 15:29 KJV
29Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?[/QUOTE]
You are beating a dead horse here. Trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

This is certainly a reference to water baptism since humans can only do water baptisms. The answers to these questions are rhetorical. People get water baptized so they will be resurrected. I firmly believe this is what the early church believed in.

Give up already.

 

[FreeGrace2]

No ritual in baptism...show me supporting scripture.
Baptism is the debate here.

Which one are you referring to? How many different baptisms are you aware of, btw?

 

[FreeGrace2]

QUOTE="2ndTimothyGroup, post: 4831750, member: 305370"]I've never heard of a Christian rejecting water baptism. But if they did, what are the results of a person refusing to be dunked underwater?

whoa...the two cannot go together...a Christian cannot be a christian unless he is baptized. a person is not born again until baptized.[/QUOTE]
Please read all of Acts 10 and then the explanation of it in Acts 11.

The Jews with Peter were impressed that Cornelius and family/friends received the Holy Spirit upon faith, when they were saved.

At salvation, every believer is baptized with the Holy Spirit. In fact, the baptism of the Holy Spirit IS the new birth, or being born again, or being regenerated.

There is NO WATER involved in beings saved. That is a false doctrine, which Satan peddles.

 

[FreeGrace2]

LOL...I do not argue.....the Bible speaks.

The question then is: who is understanding?

 

[JeffA]

Thank you, Jeff. But actually, I popped that off in about twenty minutes or less. I wanted it to flow a bit differently, but I had to get it posted as soon as possible with limited time. There are clearer ways of expressing what I wrote, but I did the best I could for an off-the-cuff post. I wish I had the time I used to have.

I appreciate your contributions and am glad to see you here.

If I make a post that long I'm going to do it in MSword and then copy/paste it to post.

Really good job, though. I will have to ponder it for a while.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I will always answer the question..when I know what it is?

.What does this mean;

Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

Good grief! I've told you over and over that you are being dishonest to leave out the words just before what you do quote.

That is a very bad habit, or worse; deception.

and this water (literal) symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Literal water symbolizes Holy Spirit baptism, which is what NOW SAVES us.

Now, quit asking the question and quit quoting only what you want to quote. If you quote a verse, quote the whole verse.

 

[JeffA]

"what will those do who are baptized for the dead" This verse has caused major problems in interpretation. We have no parallel passages in Scripture.

I can't quite put my finger on it or articulate a good argument but when I read this it seems to say that the old (or dead) baptism was a symbol of the Current baptism of the Spirit. This Spirit baptism, now being available through the resurrection of Jesus, renders the older (symbolic) water ritual of no effect (dead).
Something like "what will those do that were water baptized and yet have no spiritual baptism?"

Just a feeling.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I can't quite put my finger on it or articulate a good argument but when I read this it seems to say that the old (or dead) baptism was a symbol of the Current baptism of the Spirit. This Spirit baptism, now being available through the resurrection of Jesus, renders the older (symbolic) water ritual of no effect (dead).
Something like "what will those do that were water baptized and yet have no spiritual baptism?"

Just a feeling.

Well, that's a good question! Symbolic water ritual never has any effect, of course.

I like the explanation in the commentary I quoted. It seems there is no historical record that would clarify what Paul was referring to.

So we are all left to assumption, presumption, etc.

It is a puzzling statement.

 

[Blain]

I will always answer the question..when I know what it is?

.What does this mean;

Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

I asked you to explain to me what it means when it says we are saved by grace through Christ Jesus. See baptism is considered a work and is symolic a declaration of your giving your life to Christ but it is clearly by faith we are saved as spoken of here as well Ephesians 2:8
God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. there are also many other verses i can pull up if you wish that imply that it is faith and believing that saves a person not baptism in every instance Jesus only required one thing from people to have faith and believe that was always the currency for everything he did he never baptized either and even the theif on the cross when Jesus said today you will enter paradise with me only had faith he wasn't baptized/ Now as for the verse you pulled if you take the entire verse not just part of it you will see he was not done speaking

1 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[a] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, a clear conscious that was the purpose so if youare to understand what he is saying here he saying it saves you because you will have a clear conscious not because it is the initial salvation.

 

[DavidTree]

God's Word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and not by our own efforts or works (Ephesians 2:8-9).

AMEN - Read John 3:1-21 , Jesus never mentions or speaks of water baptism - only Spirit, Faith and the Son.

 

[DavidTree]

1 Pet 3:21 says Baptism now saves us. "and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It [Baptism] saves you by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ," (1 Pet 3:21)

It is Baptism that makes us New Creatures in Christ. In Baptism, we share in Christ's Life, Death and Resurrection. We die to sin and are born again to New Life. If you read an early Church Father like St. Augustine, it is clear the Early Church held this view of Baptism also.

Faith and Baptism go together. Suppose a person, after being baptized, sins and loses faith, baptism won't save him. But if he comes back to Christ, by confessing his sins, he can return to God's Grace. The first time, however, Baptism truly washes away sins in God's Name.

"And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his Name.’ (Acts 22:16)

Please read again 1 Peter ch3

the Apostle Peter never says water baptism saves us but the Apostle does state the 3 elements that, in fact, does save us:
#1.) 3:18 "For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God.
#2.) 3:18 "He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit" = Death & Resurrection of Christ
#3.) FAITH 3:21 - "not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

the Apostle Paul confirms the words of the Apostle Peter: Romans 10:8
The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Water baptism is outward, cannot save us for Salvation is inward of the Spirit, the Word and the circumcision of the heart in man.

KEEP in mind this: we believe, and in faith, water baptise(complete submersion) of the man/woman who has recieved the Call of the Father to come to Christ in faith and not of works/religion/ritual/membership.

 

[Runningman]

FreeGrace2 said:
None say this. You've only shown 1 so far, but even it doesn't say what you want it to say.

Why don't you believe 1 Cor 15:23? It says "when He comes", a reference to the Second Advent, that "those who belong to Him" will be resurrected.

What it doesn't say is "those who have been baptized in His name" will be resurrected.

So, all believers (regardless of whether baptized or not) will be resurrected when He comes back.

I fully DO understand all this. It is you who is confused and are reading the verses wrongly.

1 Peter 3:21 doesn't even mention faith. It's about the fact that we are saved by Holy Spirit baptism, which refers specifically to the indwelling of the Holy Spirit at the moment of saving faith. Rom 3:2,5 makes this clear. The Greek word for baptism came to mean "to be identified with", since a cloth dipped (baptizo) in a dye took on the same color as the dye and was therefore identified with the dye.

Eph 1:13,14 very clearly shows that the indwelling Holy Spirit is the seal which IDENTIFIES the believer as God's possession.

And that is how one belongs to Christ. It is through faith in Christ.


Believing yes. Being baptized into Christ has NOTHING to do with water. This refers to the Holy Spirit. See above.


Thanks for verses that support what I believe, and refute what you believe. The last bolded phrase is very clearly about the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. This is Spirit baptism. NO water involved.


This verse is MINE??? No, it is God's Word. Let's be clear about that.

Maybe you've noticed by now, belonging to Christ is tied closely to the resurrection

You are STILL reading verses wrongly. This verse is about believers (those belonging to Christ) will be resurrected when He comes.


There is nothing here about water baptism. Why do you seem to think so?

no you’re reading verses wrong. There is a literal resurrection coming so the resurrection mentioned after baptism is literal. It’s impossible to make a symbolic narrative about a real life event and then interpret it non-literally. That’s chaos. Do you understand it better when it’s put like that?

 

[FreeGrace2]

no you’re reading verses wrong.

So, it's a "he said, he said". Well, I believe Scripture is clear enough. Each man for himself. But your "take" on 1 Cor 15:29 is bizarre, since NO commentators are able to figure out what Paul meant. And commentators are the ones who have access to historical documents that help understand the time the Bible was written.

Since NO commentator knows what Paul was referring to, why should ANYONE accept your view?

There is a literal resurrection coming so the resurrection mentioned after baptism is literal.

Pretty sure everyone knows that.

It’s impossible to make a symbolic narrative about a real life event and then interpret it non-literally.

You've been given very reasonable explanations of what Paul could have meant.

That’s chaos. Do you understand it better when it’s put like that?

Since commentators, who have spent their entire careers studying Scripture and history, can't explain it, I really bother myself over that single verse. It has NO bearing on my Christian life. None whatsoever

Water baptism is symbolic of Spirit baptism. Period. And 1 Cor 15:29 does NOT SAY that water baptism is necessary for the literal resurrection. 1 Cor 15:23 proves that clearly.

The single criteria for the literal resurrection is to "belong to Christ". That's it. You even admit that water baptism isn't required for salvation. So you are the conflicted one.

Water baptism isn't required for salvation, but you claim water baptism is required for resurrection.

You have no evidence at all. Not even commentators include your view as a possibility.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Don't we wish it was that simple....just leave the anti christ group to say and post anything they wish. I don' t think so.
God...says herald the voice out.

1. 5335 herald - Dictionary of Bible Themes - Bible Gateway
   www.biblegateway.com/.../5335-herald
   5335 herald. One who proclaims a message or paves the way for a promised event. In Scripture both angels and human beings are employed as heralds, and on occasions even specific events may herald future happenings. Heralds in human affairs

Many more references.

so their now anti christ because they don’t agree with you on baptism ?

and if they state thier belief in a discussion forum that baptism in water isn’t required for almighty God to save someone , thier now evil spreaders of demonic heresy ?

this discussion forum often people don’t agree with us or even how we’ve said something , I’m not sure it’s the same thing in a public forum designed to discuss biblical things to in a conversation express what you believe or think otherwise no one could ever discuss anything

I don’t think That’s the same as claiming “ I’m an approved teacher “ everyone must agree with me otherwise your lost and spreading the devils lies “

or making ourself the judge of anyone’s else and thier relationship with Jesus themself without what we think and know from our own relationship with him salvstion is given and withheld only by Jesus I’m not sure if someone somehow isn’t able to get baptized in water he’s finished with Them
Now

I think it’s much more about not leaving baptism undone because we’re followers of Jesus and believers of what the New Testament says

we shouldn’t use what we know to try to destroy others or label them Lost or evil doers if they understand things differently

I happen to agree with you about water baptism it’s actually important part of doctrine but I don’t think salvation depends upon it, it’s an act of faith based on the belief that saves.

we should discuss things that can edify and build one another up , a lot of times this forum just drains the spirit repeating the same arguments relentlessly

sometimes after we make our case we can stop and pray and let time and prayer work if the motivation is really to help People prayer , peace and patience all three truly help

it’s about how we live in light of the knowledge given To us of Christ and how high a price he paid much more than any form of regulation it’s about the concepts and beliefs Jesus taught in the gospel

“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

everything we do and say in the daylight and late at night in the dark God dwells in us and is present with us always witnessing all we do and say

One thing that is detrimental to Christians is not having any peace but having constant arguing instead over things as simple as baptism . It’s why we’ve always been so discombobulated as a church since the apostles days

if we let what’s written be true and discuss it we can come to agreement most often what’s written matters with God . Some say it’s just words but others know it’s Gods words meant for all man to hear and believe and have Hope in this world.

 

[Runningman]

Hello sir,

First of all, I really appreciate phrases like, "As far as I can tell." When you, or any person, write in this way, to me it says that you are being honest in what you believe, that you're not intentionally pulling the "wool" over anyone's eyes. Second, I will admit that there [is] a possibility that your position is True. My Spirit within tells me that your position is inaccurate, but I am NOT God. What's more, I'm human and could absolutely be wrong (as I have been wrong in the past). Therefore, I am not here to convince anyone of anything [beyond a shadow of a doubt). And perhaps this is why I am not the arguing type. I have felt the Raw, Almighty Power of God, so I hesitate to be the "speaker" for the Lord. I am not nor will I ever be Moses. The Lord does [not] require me for anything.

Again, I appreciate that you have shown a sense of flexibility in your words and phrasings. Much respect to you.

I agree, that we do seem to be "commanded" to be Baptized. However, I'm not entirely convinced that Jesus is commanding this act in order to procure any sense of Purity. However, Christ [could] very well be commanding such an expectation. However, such a command would tend to lean towards legalism and "works" (in my mind).

In answer to my question of "What happens if we reject Baptism," you graciously responded with, "I don’t know what happens, but probably wise to not test it."

Well, we actually have the answer through the Lord's discussion with Abraham. Check this out:

Genesis 17:14 NLT - "Any male who fails to be circumcised will be cut off from the covenant family for breaking the covenant."

I realize that you may disagree, but physical circumcision is equated to post-Christ water Baptism. Physical circumcision represents the Spiritual Circumcision of the Heart. The hidden Mysterious Plan of God (as Paul states it in Eph chapters 2 and 3) is that if a person rejects physical circumcision, they are rejecting the Purity of life that God expects. To refuse physical circumcision equates to refusing to pick up our cross and bear it. Or, it is the rejection of the idea of giving up a sinful life and the multitude of remarkable pleasures that comes with it. For example . . . sex, alcohol, sex, and more alcohol. To bring this back to Baptism, it is easy to say, "I believe in Jesus, therefore, I must be a Christian . . . but I refuse to be baptized (and scoffed at by my friends)".

Today, many believe that water Baptism saves just as much as the Jews thought that their physical circumcision saved them, or, brought them Eternal Life. Check this out:

Acts 15:1 NLT - "While Paul and Barnabas were at Antioch of Syria, some men from Judea arrived and began to teach the believers: "Unless you are circumcised as required by the law of Moses, you cannot be saved."

The Jews were so close to understanding, but being close to the gates of Heaven does not grant entrance. Why? Because the fulcrum of Salvation depends on Circumcision of the Heart . . . which is what was instituted in the life of Abraham per Genesis chapter 17 (which I referenced above).

Romans 2:27-29 NLT - "In fact, uncircumcised Gentiles who keep God's law will condemn you Jews who are circumcised and possess God's law but don't obey it. 28 For you are not a true Jew just because you were born of Jewish parents or because you have gone through the ceremony of circumcision. 29 No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by God's Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people."

So what is True Circumcision of the Heart according to Old Testament Scripture? We have it clearly written many times, and here is one clear example of what Circumcision of the Heart:

Ezekiel 36:25-27 NLT - "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. Your filth will be washed away, and you will no longer worship idols. 26 And I will give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit in you. I will take out your stony, stubborn heart and give you a tender, responsive heart. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you so that you will follow my decrees and be careful to obey my regulations."

This is what was instituted in the life of Abraham. When God said, Genesis 17:1a KJV - ". . . the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect" God was asking Abraham to do these things, rather, God was sprinkling him with Holy Water, giving him a New Heart, perhaps giving him a New Spirit SO THAT he would follow the Lord's decrees and sense of obedience within him to a degree that Abraham had not had before. This is Spiritual Circumcision of the Heart. And more, this IS THE PROMISE that God made to the offspring of Abraham. This is the True Promise; the Promise of being Chosen by God; the Promise of being given a new Heart, Soul, and Mind (of Christ).

So what is Circumcision of the Heart? Paul makes this Mysterious Plan of God ultra-clear. Paul gave us this remarkable Scripture:

Colossians 2:11, 13 NLT - "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature." ... 13 "You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins."

Yes, I left out verse twelve which discusses water baptism, but this baptism is for those AFTER the Day of Christ. But make no mistake about it, this is True Spiritual Circumcision which was taking place at least with our first True Prophet, Abel. For, no True Prophet who is the spokesman for God can remain under the Curse of the Lord. So we know for sure that Christ, who WAS before Abraham was born, was Circumcising Hearts well before He lived in the flesh.

All who the Lord loves will receive Circumcision of the Heart. Here is another reference:

Deuteronomy 30:6 KJV - "And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live."

So if we reject physical circumcision, we are cut off from the Family of Circumcision. And if baptism is the exact same reflection as that of physical circumcision, then rejecting water baptism will result in the same, which is to be cut off from the Family of Water Baptism. But again, what do these two acts represent? They both are stating that they have been Baptized by the Spirit, and anyone who has been Baptized by the Spirit will long to do as the Lord says, such as become physically circumcised or for us today, to become water Baptized. Those who are saved will risk their lives to perform this outward, Spiritual reflection of what has taken place on the inside, which is Circumcision of the Heart.

On the Day of Pentecost, men left their wives and children to fend for themselves, for they had recanted on Judaism and were murdered for it. For recanting on the Law of Moses and accepting water Baptism, for many, this resulted in death. After the Eunuch accepted Christ after the lengthy teaching from Phillip, he said, "Look! There is some water. Why shouldn't I be baptized right now!" And so he was. A True Christian will be willing to die to perform such a demonstrative act, just as I am willing to die simply for saying the name Jesus.

And this is why don't recommend that a person reject water Baptism. Not because it contains some sort of Power, but because of what it reprents in terms of True Faith and becoming a New Man who now possesses the Divine Nature and the Mind of Christ.

I'm flexible with the Bible up until a point, just because I believe it is written with intentional ambiguity. Few things in the Bible, especially the New Testament, are easy to nail down with any certainty. For example, we have this water baptism thread and very few people seem to 100% agree with each other. That's because the Bible isn't clear enough.

My interpretation of water baptism being for the first resurrection reconciles why the Bible says that water baptism saves, but also says that faith in Christ saves. Either there are multiple ways to get saved, multiple prerequisites to salvation, or there are different kinds of salvation. Once you understand my line of thinking, it actually gives a lot more grace to the Bible, avoids salvation contradictions, and is contextual: water baptism and the resurrection are completely within context of each other. Water baptism is about saving the body in the resurrection.

That's my belief and if I can be given a clear verse that says "Water baptism has nothing to do with the first resurrection." Then I would quickly change my beliefs. Unfortunately, we could only hope for a Biblical message so clear so as to completely harmonize the faith in unity of knowledge. Thus, Christianity is severely fractured into thousands of denominations.

Bottom line is that I agree with you that circumcision was a matter of faith and that water baptism is a matter of faith.

 

[Runningman]

So, it's a "he said, he said". Well, I believe Scripture is clear enough. Each man for himself. But your "take" on 1 Cor 15:29 is bizarre, since NO commentators are able to figure out what Paul meant. And commentators are the ones who have access to historical documents that help understand the time the Bible was written.

Since NO commentator knows what Paul was referring to, why should ANYONE accept your view?


Pretty sure everyone knows that.


You've been given very reasonable explanations of what Paul could have meant.


Since commentators, who have spent their entire careers studying Scripture and history, can't explain it, I really bother myself over that single verse. It has NO bearing on my Christian life. None whatsoever

Water baptism is symbolic of Spirit baptism. Period. And 1 Cor 15:29 does NOT SAY that water baptism is necessary for the literal resurrection. 1 Cor 15:23 proves that clearly.

The single criteria for the literal resurrection is to "belong to Christ". That's it. You even admit that water baptism isn't required for salvation. So you are the conflicted one.

Water baptism isn't required for salvation, but you claim water baptism is required for resurrection.

You have no evidence at all. Not even commentators include your view as a possibility.

I'm sure you're only reading commentators that sympathize with your flawed views on the Bible. As we can all see, you quickly and thoroughly disagree with any differences to your denominational creed on this message board. There's a good chance you just don't know what you're talking about. Didn't you say that "resurrection" wasn't even mentioned in 1 Peter 3:21? Case in point.

Salvation of the soul and the resurrection aren't the same things.

 

[Wansvic]

Faith without works is dead. But works without faith saves no one.

Baptism like the flood of Noah is symbolic. One must be true in their heart to allow the Spirit to move them to a new birth.

Born of water in John 3:5 speaks of physical birth as in when the woman's water breaks.

Two births
Or
Two deaths

One must be born in order to be reborn.

Flood waters - is the type or symbolic of what later became a reality in the NT. God's NT command of water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus is the antitype (the real thing). This truth is spelled out in 1 Peter 3:20-21.

 

[JeffA]

God's NT command of water baptism

And where is this in scripture?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I'm flexible with the Bible up until a point, just because I believe it is written with intentional ambiguity. Few things in the Bible, especially the New Testament, are easy to nail down with any certainty. For example, we have this water baptism thread and very few people seem to 100% agree with each other. That's because the Bible isn't clear enough.

My interpretation of water baptism being for the first resurrection reconciles why the Bible says that water baptism saves, but also says that faith in Christ saves. Either there are multiple ways to get saved, multiple prerequisites to salvation, or there are different kinds of salvation. Once you understand my line of thinking, it actually gives a lot more grace to the Bible, avoids salvation contradictions, and is contextual: water baptism and the resurrection are completely within context of each other. Water baptism is about saving the body in the resurrection.

That's my belief and if I can be given a clear verse that says "Water baptism has nothing to do with the first resurrection." Then I would quickly change my beliefs. Unfortunately, we could only hope for a Biblical message so clear so as to completely harmonize the faith in unity of knowledge. Thus, Christianity is severely fractured into thousands of denominations.

Bottom line is that I agree with you that circumcision was a matter of faith and that water baptism is a matter of faith.

“reconciles why the Bible says that water baptism saves, but also says that faith in Christ saves.”

“But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭18:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬


water

“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

blood

“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭

spirit that bears witness

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, and said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:45-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬ ‭

we only get baptized in water because we believe Jesus died for our sins , to believe in the power in his blood and to get baptized in response arent in conflict they see two witnesses agreeing on remission of sins for the person getting baptized.

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt.

And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭10:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses could have always believed “ if I stretch forth my hand it will Happen , but it’s when Moses did it as God said that it happened as God said.

This is faith we first believe and then do based upon that new belief, two witnesses agreeing upon remission of sins.

water

“John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

blood

“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭

we do it because we hear and believe

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Flood waters - is the type or symbolic of what later became a reality in the NT. God's NT command of water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus is the antitype (the real thing). This truth is spelled out in 1 Peter 3:20-21.

I agree. By faith (having a clear conscience decision in choosing Christ to be our Lord and Savior) we receive salvation by the resurrection of Jesus Christ and the atonement of sin.